Luke update

Greed_Exodus

I saw some ccp gameplay and it looks nice, but please we need this man to have incinerate immune, he gets blown up by a rocket and lit by gasoline in his bar and walks off fine, there’s still time to add it before the next update launches. He should probably be armor break immune too…

Wicket329

In game immunities cannot mimic the extent of comic book/tv/movie representation. Every other champion would be indestructible.

Greed_Exodus

This is why we can’t have nice things, y’all goobers hit disagree instead of trying to make him a better champ…

xLunatiXx

And you're just asking for everything like a spoiled brat instead of thinking about game balance

Greed_Exodus

Literally google if Luke cage is fire proof and it says yes… bruh

xLunatiXx

Doesn't seem like you read my comment or the other guy above

Greed_Exodus

They added incinerate immunity to ghost rider on a whim instead of actually buffing him, they could easily do the same for Luke, that’s not being spoiled that’s making his in game abilities more accurate, which many characters still need by the way…

Buttehrs

Greed_Exodus said:

They added incinerate immunity to ghost rider on a whim instead of actually buffing him, they could easily do the same for Luke, that’s not being spoiled that’s making his in game abilities more accurate, which many characters still need by the way…

Again....your not thinking of game balance.

ReignkingTW

Greed_Exodus said:

They added incinerate immunity to ghost rider on a whim instead of actually buffing him, they could easily do the same for Luke, that’s not being spoiled that’s making his in game abilities more accurate, which many characters still need by the way…

On a whim? It was when CGR came out.

Another guy made of fire isn't incinerate immune either. It's just a game with made up characters it doesn't have to make sense.

Greed_Exodus

You think adding an immunity is bad for game balance, if anything it improves game balance, it would open Luke up to be able to tackle more content, also bullseye and photon exist, talk about breaking game balance lol, Luke won’t even be a defender just an attacker, what are y’all on I swear

Buttehrs

Greed_Exodus said:

You think adding an immunity is bad for game balance, if anything it improves game balance, it would open Luke up to be able to tackle more content, also bullseye and photon exist, talk about breaking game balance lol, Luke won’t even be a defender just an attacker, what are y’all on I swear

Say you haven't played the game for very long without saying you haven't played very long.

Greed_Exodus

I’ve been playing for 7 years bruh

Graves_3

xLunatiXx said:

And you're just asking for everything like a spoiled brat instead of thinking about game balance

I am not for or against Luke getting incinerate immunity but how does adding incinerate immunity destroy game balance? I am just curious.

Buttehrs

Greed_Exodus said:

I’ve been playing for 7 years bruh

Then you know how this works. They aren't going to make everyone completely comic accurate. They also give good counters to newest meta defenders later on down the line. Just because Bullseye and photon are wrecking you now doesn't mean it'll be that way forever. Remember when korg and thing tore everyone a new one constantly? Do they now? Use your brain.

ItsClobberinTime

Greed_Exodus said:

This is why we can’t have nice things, y’all goobers hit disagree instead of trying to make him a better champ…

The concussions on sp2 shutting down almost any ability or node wasn't enough for you?

Greed_Exodus

Use your brain, you’re basically arguing against something that would be a pro player change…

Aomine_Daiki10

Greed_Exodus said:

I’ve been playing for 7 years bruh

And you learnt nothing?

EdisonLaw

If every champion were as powerful as their comic counterparts, the game would be unbalanced. Characters like Kate Bishop and Nick Fury would be meme tier while Sentry and Dormammu would be beyond god tier

ReignkingTW

Greed_Exodus said:

Use your brain, you’re basically arguing against something that would be a pro player change…

I want a 7* herc!

Wicket329

Graves_3 said:

xLunatiXx said:

And you're just asking for everything like a spoiled brat instead of thinking about game balance

I am not for or against Luke getting incinerate immunity but how does adding incinerate immunity destroy game balance? I am just curious.

A primary way that the Skill class does damage is through damage over time effects, primarily bleed and, to a lesser extent others such as incinerate, shock, and coldsnap. Historically speaking, Science champions with bleed immunity have presented tankier matchups when faced with Skill champs. Adding incinerate immunity to a Science champion who is already bleed immune further reduces the number of effective counters in the class that is supposed to counter him.

And before somebody comes in here saying “Luke’s not a good defender though, what does that matter?” consider that proposition is only valid in limited contexts. Luke Cage is arguably the worst fight in the Abyss (except the Nameless Grandmaster). Any champion can be made into a monstrous defender if Kabam decides to build out the fight.

Does this “destroy game balance?” No, nothing so dramatic. But it does run counter to the class identities that Kabam has been building into for the last few years, and those identities exist for a reason.

Greed_Exodus

Again adding an immunity to a debuff isn’t breaking the game, there’s no real issue if it happens, at least give him a synergy like Titania is bleed immune with abs man, would be a fair compromise

Kabam Jax

Wong_98

Kabam Jax said:

Yeah. He just got buffed and the buff is great.

Emilia90

His buff is looking great. I’m just worried that they’ll change it like they did with the last 2 science characters

Graves_3

Wicket329 said:

Graves_3 said:

xLunatiXx said:

And you're just asking for everything like a spoiled brat instead of thinking about game balance

I am not for or against Luke getting incinerate immunity but how does adding incinerate immunity destroy game balance? I am just curious.

A primary way that the Skill class does damage is through damage over time effects, primarily bleed and, to a lesser extent others such as incinerate, shock, and coldsnap. Historically speaking, Science champions with bleed immunity have presented tankier matchups when faced with Skill champs. Adding incinerate immunity to a Science champion who is already bleed immune further reduces the number of effective counters in the class that is supposed to counter him.

And before somebody comes in here saying “Luke’s not a good defender though, what does that matter?” consider that proposition is only valid in limited contexts. Luke Cage is arguably the worst fight in the Abyss (except the Nameless Grandmaster). Any champion can be made into a monstrous defender if Kabam decides to build out the fight.

Does this “destroy game balance?” No, nothing so dramatic. But it does run counter to the class identities that Kabam has been building into for the last few years, and those identities exist for a reason.

Luke is already bleed immune. The skill champs who inflict incinerate are massacre, Elsa, moon dragon, winter soldier, agent venom, gwenpool, crossbones and night thrasher. Of these, Elsa and massacre have a way of getting around this(Elsa can inflict coldsnap and massacre does energy damage if they are immune to incinerate). Gwenpool and winter soldier are barely used by anyone except maybe in arena. That leaves moon dragon, agent venom(who is useless without the kraven/scorpion synergy) crossbones and night thrasher who are somewhat decent.
Now for science champs- several of them have dual immunities and sandman particularly has 3 immunities which counter the argument that skill champs are countered by immunities to debuffs inflicted by skill champs.
And the argument that skill should counter science every time is defeated by examples of champs in other classes who can beat the abilities of opponents from their adjacent class who are supposed to counter them. Eg., magneto vs most metal tech champs, galan being immune to nullify and fate seal.
Kabam doesn’t want to give him immunity is good enough reason not to do it. But justifying this using game balance is not really an argument one can make logically I feel.

DrZola

I’d take able to block unblockable physical projectiles with X Exhaustions. Seems like a big guy who’s bulletproof and has nigh impenetrable skin could make a go at that.

Dr. Zola

Demonzfyre

Let me say first that I haven't watched any of the CCP videos. What I would say is that just off of what's being said here in this thread that he shouldn't have immunity except for bleed.

The reason I say this is because he's resistant to those other things.

What I would suggest, if he hasn't already been done, is add a passive Regen when his indestructible activates and heals him for a portion of damage taken. Part of his abilities is faster recovery times.

Pseudouber

Man. Everyone commenting against this guy thinking incinerate immune would make him too OP lol. The game is much more fun when the champs are as close as possible to the actual character. It just adds to the quality of the game and its not huge. It fits for his class advantage too for skills and fits in with science class well. I guess all you people against in to hard the one that are for a Herc nerft too huh. I guess we will see how good Luke ends up acually being. He better be fricken great if incinerate immune is going to break him.

Skydad23

Pseudouber said:

Man. Everyone commenting against this guy thinking incinerate immune would make him too OP lol. The game is much more fun when the champs are as close as possible to the actual character. It just adds to the quality of the game and its not huge. It fits for his class advantage too for skills and fits in with science class well. I guess all you people against in to hard the one that are for a Herc nerft too huh. I guess we will see how good Luke ends up acually being. He better be fricken great if incinerate immune is going to break him.

I was thinking the same thing as soon as he commented he had 10 disagrees almost immediately I find that very strange!

Greed_Exodus

Skydad23 said:

Pseudouber said:

Man. Everyone commenting against this guy thinking incinerate immune would make him too OP lol. The game is much more fun when the champs are as close as possible to the actual character. It just adds to the quality of the game and its not huge. It fits for his class advantage too for skills and fits in with science class well. I guess all you people against in to hard the one that are for a Herc nerft too huh. I guess we will see how good Luke ends up acually being. He better be fricken great if incinerate immune is going to break him.

I was thinking the same thing as soon as he commented he had 10 disagrees almost immediately I find that very strange!

It’s just my tinfoil hat idea but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were bots.

Demonzfyre

Greed_Exodus said:

Skydad23 said:

Pseudouber said:

Man. Everyone commenting against this guy thinking incinerate immune would make him too OP lol. The game is much more fun when the champs are as close as possible to the actual character. It just adds to the quality of the game and its not huge. It fits for his class advantage too for skills and fits in with science class well. I guess all you people against in to hard the one that are for a Herc nerft too huh. I guess we will see how good Luke ends up acually being. He better be fricken great if incinerate immune is going to break him.

I was thinking the same thing as soon as he commented he had 10 disagrees almost immediately I find that very strange!

It’s just my tinfoil hat idea but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were bots.

Right 🙄