5 energy per tile brutal

spacejumper5193

the 5 energy per tile is a complete and absolute joke by Kabam for the Winter of Woes. It should be 1 or 2 per tile, not 5, with how many retires this fight is taking.

Emilia90

I agree. Initially I was fine with it, because the previous iterations of this type of content seemed undertuned, so I assumed this would be the same and that’s why they have the energy requirement

I have no problems with the fight being hard, but this is awful. Spending 10 energy for a super hard fight (and you can die from one blocked hit) seems stupid

Chovner

Yup, this energy cost is pretty gargabe

TJM34

Just absolutely awful

HungaryHippo

Literally cannot stop peeing in their (and our) own cereal. There was no need for this energy cost.

ahmynuts

Emilia90 said:

I agree. Initially I was fine with it, because the previous iterations of this type of content seemed undertuned, so I assumed this would be the same and that’s why they have the energy requirement

I have no problems with the fight being hard, but this is awful. Spending 10 energy for a super hard fight (and you can die from one blocked hit) seems stupid

I'm in the same boat. Was fine with it on paper but in execution it is ridiculous

TheAngryOne

Should be 0 considering the difficulty level

DanielRand

Kabam realized people have tons of energy refills since there is no more revive farming and have kindly provided a way for us to use them up. Thanks fellas!

LordSmasher

What a terrible design descision. Deflates the whole thing.

Hendross

Awful

Greekhit

Did my 7 tries with r1 Hulk, got Abs Man down to 70% at my best try and then switched off the game.
The 10 energy requirement per try is absurd 😠

Hendross

For those who disagree with the energy requirement complaints, and don't work at kabam, would you kindly share why you're in support of it.

BadMother2

Agreed. Turned the switch from fun to chore in .5 seconds flat

kikiFurieux

agreed, it makes practice very costly...

5ra

I think it's intentional. Gives people something else to complain about and forget the other issues at hand. It's an easy fix and I suppose if they change the energy cost the community will feel vindicated. Raids felt similar. Intentionally overtuned and then balanced afterwards so they can say they're listening to feedback. That's just my opinion but it definitely takes a lot of the fun away from WoW with more anti player moves.

xNig

I think the idea behind it is to put a “cost” behind each try, instead of having it like before, where people can just go in and do the fight unlimited times for a solo.

Not that I support the energy cost, but it’s understandable from Kabam’s point.

ahmynuts

xNig said:

I think the idea behind it is to put a “cost” behind each try, instead of having it like before, where people can just go in and do the fight unlimited times for a solo.

Not that I support the energy cost, but it’s understandable from Kabam’s point.

Yes, this is essentially what it was for. Which was fine with many of us... until we saw the actual fight. It is no longer fine

HungaryHippo

xNig said:

I think the idea behind it is to put a “cost” behind each try, instead of having it like before, where people can just go in and do the fight unlimited times for a solo.

Not that I support the energy cost, but it’s understandable from Kabam’s point.

What exactly is the problem with us going in unlimited times to get a solo for no additional rewards?

Polygon

xNig said:

I think the idea behind it is to put a “cost” behind each try, instead of having it like before, where people can just go in and do the fight unlimited times for a solo.

Not that I support the energy cost, but it’s understandable from Kabam’s point.

Not sure if youre trying to farm disagrees or if you just haven’t done the fight yet. I’m a bit concerned if you have though

Graves_3

HungaryHippo said:

xNig said:

I think the idea behind it is to put a “cost” behind each try, instead of having it like before, where people can just go in and do the fight unlimited times for a solo.

Not that I support the energy cost, but it’s understandable from Kabam’s point.

What exactly is the problem with us going in unlimited times to get a solo for no additional rewards?

You will perfect the fight or get lucky and decrease your item usage if you go in unlimited times. That’s probably what they don’t want. They want you to use items either energy refills or revives.

Leanbison

HungaryHippo said:

What exactly is the problem with us going in unlimited times to get a solo for no additional rewards?

They need us to buy revives and energy refills so they can afford to fix the black screens in incursions.

Polygon

Graves_3 said:

HungaryHippo said:

xNig said:

I think the idea behind it is to put a “cost” behind each try, instead of having it like before, where people can just go in and do the fight unlimited times for a solo.

Not that I support the energy cost, but it’s understandable from Kabam’s point.

What exactly is the problem with us going in unlimited times to get a solo for no additional rewards?

You will perfect the fight or get lucky and decrease your item usage if you go in unlimited times. That’s probably what they don’t want. They want you to use items either energy refills or revives.

That would’ve been understandable if the fights were like EOP acceptance or SOP level difficulty but judging from this first Abs Man, WOE seems like its on the scale of doing Necropolis with 4 stars.

Chuck_Finley

Polygon said:

Graves_3 said:

HungaryHippo said:

xNig said:

I think the idea behind it is to put a “cost” behind each try, instead of having it like before, where people can just go in and do the fight unlimited times for a solo.

Not that I support the energy cost, but it’s understandable from Kabam’s point.

What exactly is the problem with us going in unlimited times to get a solo for no additional rewards?

You will perfect the fight or get lucky and decrease your item usage if you go in unlimited times. That’s probably what they don’t want. They want you to use items either energy refills or revives.

That would’ve been understandable if the fights were like EOP acceptance or SOP level difficulty but judging from this first Abs Man, WOE seems like its on the scale of doing Necropolis with 4 stars.

Correction: Limited to a very specific 4 star. Only a handful work.. and for objectives? Less than that

NasDSlayer

I'm not complaining about the difficulty.

I stopped for a long time. I returned at the beginning of this year. And I still haven't been able to masterfully evolve the account. I have the title Paragon. And these would be the characters that I would look for victories in this first week. But at the cost of 5 energy per block? I don't want to know about this fight. I play on an android. Sometimes I use dexterity and the character doesn't move. I took 173 thousand defense damage. Do you believe I'm going to waste time and resources repeating this fight with this energy expenditure? The rewards are very good. But that energy cost is a shame.

DwightEXA

The energy cost would be fine with me if the fight wasn't just straight up unfair. EOP was enjoyable. Those fights could be done with skill and practice. There's just no skill involved with this. The nodes are just overloaded, to the point I can't even see how they play tested this and said, "Yeah, this is good." And I have to pray every time that the AI actually functions. I hope they make a response to all this negative feedback and rework it, but I'm not holding out hope.

I wanted that deathless piece, but at this point, it's just doesn't seem likely unless something changes. I beat abs once with hulk, but I'm not wasting my time, resources, and energy to beat him again.

G-Hun-Gear

Can we please get some traction on this thread? Maybe we get a mod response?

With how hard this fight is, there is absolutely no reason for a 10 energy requirement for each practice run...

xNig

Polygon said:

xNig said:

I think the idea behind it is to put a “cost” behind each try, instead of having it like before, where people can just go in and do the fight unlimited times for a solo.

Not that I support the energy cost, but it’s understandable from Kabam’s point.

Not sure if youre trying to farm disagrees or if you just haven’t done the fight yet. I’m a bit concerned if you have though

Just stating facts.

Monk1

Greekhit said:

Did my 7 tries with r1 Hulk, got Abs Man down to 70% at my best try and then switched off the game.
The 10 energy requirement per try is absurd 😠

Why on Earth would you quit? Your game must be different to mine, as I am not getting any extra points for soloing the fight? So I revives a few times and it’s done. Overall it was poor design.

I agree the energy is high but can see why it’s done.. but everyone making out like you have 2 days to do the fight.. it’s here for 2 weeks!

HungaryHippo

G-Hun-Gear said:

Can we please get some traction on this thread? Maybe we get a mod response?

With how hard this fight is, there is absolutely no reason for a 10 energy requirement for each practice run...

There’s already traction. CCP members are all complaining about the cost. Even Fintech was talking about AI too.

Kabam is aware of all our complaints. They know the vast majority of the player base hates the energy cost.

Whether they choose to fix it, is a much different question.

Gaborrrrr

This whole content is just sad, missed the mark everywhere... Energy cost, difficulty, champ pool... Yet the worst is just the absolutely terrible AI, unplayable... How are you supposed to intercept someone who is holding block, not throwing specials and is unstoppable half the time? Oh yeah lets punish you for not hitting said enemy. Great stuff

Nelly2point0

Kabam, please remove the energy cost next round. It takes all the fun out of it.