Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
They both suck. No need to play misery poker on who sucks more. I just can’t imagine they nerf either if they didn’t nerf Photon for similar issues
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
They both suck. No need to play misery poker on who sucks more. I just can’t imagine they nerf either if they didn’t nerf Photon for similar issues
Bullseye is a completely different monster, similar issues yes but make no mistake this guy is worse.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Honestly Onslaught is worse at least there are counters to evade and bleed. Nothing against neuroshocks.
Actually....there is someone. I won't say who just yet. I found this out just by testing their utility against him. I'm still doing trial and error on them though. Been practicing against my own Onslaught. Hoping to get a fight with him in BGs.
I’d love to see Dani’s kit fixed so skill champs can’t bypass her slow or falter… she’s would be a pretty great bullseye option with that one little fix that was ignored during her haphazard “buff” which really did a whole bunch of nothing
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
I'd say im more scared if I have to fight Bullseye with no counter rather than Onslaught with no counter, Haven't found myself in that situation yet, but when I fight Onslaught in bgs, mostly its not even with tech champs (unless Psycho man is on deck)
@Fintech have you learned how to dex Bulllseyes sp1 yet? Can we get a tutorial video? Lol
I think you have to be standing far from him, you have to dex the first hit super early and all of your dex’s have to be as soon as possible it looks like if there is even a millisecond of delay between your dex’s you’ll get hit, it’s not at all practical to do in a real match no matter how much practice you put into it i don't think anyone is going to be able to do it consistently and on average you’ll save alot more health from just blocking it, you can do a partial dex but even that’s pretty risky. So your reaction time needs to be top notch, you need to dex the first hit as early as you possibly can, and your dex’s cant have any delay which makes it pretty much rng. https://streamable.com/3odwsx
I've never even tried to dex his whole special and just block it, minus the last hit, but if anybody can figure out how to dex it, it's gonna be a guy like Finny, lol
I will never be at the level of dexing that sp1, I just wonder if it's even possible for the top players.
I'm sure it can be done, but the amount of practice it would take will be nuts.
In fairness, most of the community thought Dani’s sp2 was unavoidable until we all were forced to learn it. I’m sure if we all actually worked to figure it out, we could.
I’d love to see Dani’s kit fixed so skill champs can’t bypass her slow or falter… she’s would be a pretty great bullseye option with that one little fix that was ignored during her haphazard “buff” which really did a whole bunch of nothing
I'm getting real tired of seeing "inferior" class champions countering the superior classes more and more lately. Dani is just one of many affected by this.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
I'd say im more scared if I have to fight Bullseye with no counter rather than Onslaught with no counter, Haven't found myself in that situation yet, but when I fight Onslaught in bgs, mostly its not even with tech champs (unless Psycho man is on deck)
Same here, you don't really need counters for Onslaught. Is it better if you have one? Yes, however good gameplay can still get you a win. Bullseye on the other hand, no amount of good gameplay will get you a win without a strong counter.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
By 100% I meant like above 90% health. I believe shocker is a non metal champ+you have good skills. Still I won't accept "onslaught don't need a counter".
Atleast there are champs who counter bullseye. Like direct counters, like iceman, emma and the new prowler. Also any bleed immune works if Ai cooperates. He is definitely pain in the *** but there are direct counters who shut him down.
But onslaught, no one is immune to his damage, it's all rng when you get inflicted with his dot (neuroshock is what it's called right), no one is immune to it. Onslaught is also psuedo immine to bleed, shock and incenerate, and he shuts down most techs as they are metal champs, and can't purify his debuffs.
But let me tell you one thing I'm sure of, if onslaught don't get a nerf in defense, bullseye definitely won't get one neither. Both are equally worse if not more worse.
I usually ban both of them but I've fight bullseye twice in bgs, and won both times with archangel at 90% health. Fought onslaught like 10 times, use various champs, but never won against him above 50% health. I can dex his specials as well.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
You’re probably using the wrong champs, most nuke champs can take him really well and champs with high energy resistance, just to name a few Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
You’re probably using the wrong champs, most nuke champs can take him really well and champs with high energy resistance, just to name a few Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Nick Fury? Against Onslaught? The champ who relies on bleed damage? What?
Also, Ham is pretty ok. But not that great against Onslaught. Because you cant parry/stun him, your AA on placing poppers goes down pretty bad so its a real crapshoot.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
You’re probably using the wrong champs, most nuke champs can take him really well and champs with high energy resistance, just to name a few Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Nick Fury? Against Onslaught? The champ who relies on bleed damage? What?
Also, Ham is pretty ok. But not that great against Onslaught. Because you cant parry/stun him, your AA on placing poppers goes down pretty bad so its a real crapshoot.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
You’re probably using the wrong champs, most nuke champs can take him really well and champs with high energy resistance, just to name a few Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Nick Fury? Against Onslaught? The champ who relies on bleed damage? What?
Also, Ham is pretty ok. But not that great against Onslaught. Because you cant parry/stun him, your AA on placing poppers goes down pretty bad so its a real crapshoot.
I said nick because He can finish onslaught at high health not because he’s fast for that matchup , ham is fine against onslaught, yeah it’s not one of his best matchups but all you have to do is intercept, his popper aa isn't as high as i would be with the stun but you can still place a significant amount of them it’s not that bad.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
You’re probably using the wrong champs, most nuke champs can take him really well and champs with high energy resistance, just to name a few Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Nick Fury? Against Onslaught? The champ who relies on bleed damage? What?
Also, Ham is pretty ok. But not that great against Onslaught. Because you cant parry/stun him, your AA on placing poppers goes down pretty bad so its a real crapshoot.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
You’re probably using the wrong champs, most nuke champs can take him really well and champs with high energy resistance, just to name a few Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Nick Fury? Against Onslaught? The champ who relies on bleed damage? What?
Also, Ham is pretty ok. But not that great against Onslaught. Because you cant parry/stun him, your AA on placing poppers goes down pretty bad so its a real crapshoot.
I said nick because He can finish onslaught at high health not because he’s fast for that matchup , ham is fine against onslaught, yeah it’s not one of his best matchups but all you have to do is intercept, his popper aa isn't as high as i would be with the stun but you can still place a significant amount of them it’s not that bad.
How can Nick finish at high hp? The bleeds will get you constant neuros, not to mention they are a majority of his damage, and do nothing to OS, and yeah his Life Model Decoy can play a dirty trick in BGs, you still gotta do damage in a timely manor, against an opponent thats immune to your best form of damage, with class advantage, and get him low enough your SP3 can kill.
Like, that seems like a tough sell. Im happy to eat crow and be wrong, but it just doesn’t sound like a viable option.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
You’re probably using the wrong champs, most nuke champs can take him really well and champs with high energy resistance, just to name a few Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Nick Fury? Against Onslaught? The champ who relies on bleed damage? What?
Also, Ham is pretty ok. But not that great against Onslaught. Because you cant parry/stun him, your AA on placing poppers goes down pretty bad so its a real crapshoot.
Ain't no way people are saying Onslaught worse than Bullseye on defense lol as long as you don't block his sp1 you won't get enough neuros on you to lose a meaningful amount of health. Not even close to the damage Bullseye deals through block even with bleed immune.
I can defeat bullseye with a champ at 100% health, without AAR or regen. Can you do the same with Onslaught? You are going to take damage no matter what, he should be nerfed
Yes I can. You can't? Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed. Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
You’re probably using the wrong champs, most nuke champs can take him really well and champs with high energy resistance, just to name a few Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Nick Fury? Against Onslaught? The champ who relies on bleed damage? What?
Also, Ham is pretty ok. But not that great against Onslaught. Because you cant parry/stun him, your AA on placing poppers goes down pretty bad so its a real crapshoot.
I said nick because He can finish onslaught at high health not because he’s fast for that matchup , ham is fine against onslaught, yeah it’s not one of his best matchups but all you have to do is intercept, his popper aa isn't as high as i would be with the stun but you can still place a significant amount of them it’s not that bad.
How can Nick finish at high hp? The bleeds will get you constant neuros, not to mention they are a majority of his damage, and do nothing to OS, and yeah his Life Model Decoy can play a dirty trick in BGs, you still gotta do damage in a timely manor, against an opponent thats immune to your best form of damage, with class advantage, and get him low enough your SP3 can kill.
Like, that seems like a tough sell. Im happy to eat crow and be wrong, but it just doesn’t sound like a viable option.
Bleeds don't give you neuros, and yeah he’s no where near the best option for the fight he’s not fast but if you really need him to do it he can.
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Onslaught doesn't even need a counter in the first place, even with champs who crit if you're dashing back and light intercepting constantly you can mitigate most of the damage and if you can dex his sp1 you can finish with a full bar indeed.
Bullseye on the other hand is just an insta loss if you don't have bleed immune and even with bleed immune his specials still crti through block so I find it hard to believe you finish with 100% health against him all the time like you say.
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Haven't found myself in that situation yet, but when I fight Onslaught in bgs, mostly its not even with tech champs (unless Psycho man is on deck)
Is it better if you have one? Yes, however good gameplay can still get you a win. Bullseye on the other hand, no amount of good gameplay will get you a win without a strong counter.
I believe shocker is a non metal champ+you have good skills. Still I won't accept "onslaught don't need a counter".
Atleast there are champs who counter bullseye. Like direct counters, like iceman, emma and the new prowler. Also any bleed immune works if Ai cooperates. He is definitely pain in the *** but there are direct counters who shut him down.
But onslaught, no one is immune to his damage, it's all rng when you get inflicted with his dot (neuroshock is what it's called right), no one is immune to it. Onslaught is also psuedo immine to bleed, shock and incenerate, and he shuts down most techs as they are metal champs, and can't purify his debuffs.
But let me tell you one thing I'm sure of, if onslaught don't get a nerf in defense, bullseye definitely won't get one neither.
Both are equally worse if not more worse.
I usually ban both of them but I've fight bullseye twice in bgs, and won both times with archangel at 90% health. Fought onslaught like 10 times, use various champs, but never won against him above 50% health. I can dex his specials as well.
Idk what I'm doing wrong against him.
Hulkling, cgr, kushala, valk, nick, tigra, ham, abs, kitty, silk, titania, havok.
Also, Ham is pretty ok. But not that great against Onslaught. Because you cant parry/stun him, your AA on placing poppers goes down pretty bad so its a real crapshoot.
Like, that seems like a tough sell. Im happy to eat crow and be wrong, but it just doesn’t sound like a viable option.
I really voted for Bullseye
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