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Magica & thief symbols

Deder80Deder80 Posts: 693 ★★★
Why do X-Magica and Magic Thief have the same symbol on their left side. We should be able to tell the apart by their symbols. If you click on X-Magica and Magica thief you can’t tell who is who. Of course some of remember some of each. But not everyone. It would be nice to tell them apart by thier symbol.

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    PriyabrataPriyabrata Posts: 1,152 ★★★★
    ...use the tag filter, it's really not that hard, they never said they'd do separate symbols I'm surprised they even did the symbols in the first place
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    pingu_tucnacekpingu_tucnacek Posts: 52
    I actually have encountered few playes in my current aliance, who believed that having the X mark is enough for the #x-magica tactic to work and was blaiming another kabam bug instead of their own misunderstanding, when the tactic did not worked.

    Of course its their own fault, but I can understand, how its confusing, as its new, special to this saga, and most importantly - the symbol shares the same place with active tactic in aw champ selection screen.

    And in the end - regardless if its their fault or not, their trust in the game and happines with the game is being undermined all the same by such poor design choice, and I, as an a officer, have to explain them repeatedly why it was not working and what they actualy need to check to be sure it will work next time, which in the end is realy tiring.

    And all that could have been avoided if it was designed in some less confusing way. But somehow the confusun is now in so much game elements, like theqs maps for example... I kinda feel like its being made this chaotic on purpose but that is realy strange. Why do that? It only upsets the players.
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    Deder80Deder80 Posts: 693 ★★★

    ...use the tag filter, it's really not that hard, they never said they'd do separate symbols I'm surprised they even did the symbols in the first place

    No they didn’t. I’m not it’s a must. I’m just pointing something out that could cause confusion some players. If you click both filter you can’t tell who’s who unless you have every champ memorized. I know people should only click 1 filter at a time. I guess it would just be cool if they have had their own symbols.
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    captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Posts: 5,857 ★★★★★
    A easy way to find is

    Mystic and mutants with the symbol are x magica
    Skill and cosmics with the symbol are magic thief
    Void is x magica, thing is magic thief
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    pingu_tucnacekpingu_tucnacek Posts: 52

    A easy way to find is

    Mystic and mutants with the symbol are x magica
    Skill and cosmics with the symbol are magic thief
    Void is x magica, thing is magic thief

    ...saying you simply must study it first and then remember it. cool. would you mind explaining that to each person in my alliance? That they actually must remember it? Because everyone wants to do that for sure ;)[HINT: no they don't, they hate it every time I am explaining to them how it works]

    ...it's much easier to just change the filters you know, but it also is very unfriendly.question is which one is worse. The need to remember stuff that will be useless in 1.5 month, or the need to switch the filters every time. Especially when the symbol was introduced to make it easier to navigate.

    You know, it would have been easily understandable if there would be two different and easy to distinguish symbols - one for #magic thief and another or #x-magica ;)
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    captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Posts: 5,857 ★★★★★

    A easy way to find is

    Mystic and mutants with the symbol are x magica
    Skill and cosmics with the symbol are magic thief
    Void is x magica, thing is magic thief

    ...saying you simply must study it first and then remember it. cool. would you mind explaining that to each person in my alliance? That they actually must remember it? Because everyone wants to do that for sure ;)[HINT: no they don't, they hate it every time I am explaining to them how it works]

    ...it's much easier to just change the filters you know, but it also is very unfriendly.question is which one is worse. The need to remember stuff that will be useless in 1.5 month, or the need to switch the filters every time. Especially when the symbol was introduced to make it easier to navigate.

    You know, it would have been easily understandable if there would be two different and easy to distinguish symbols - one for #magic thief and another or #x-magica ;)
    If we had two symbols, which one for which would be a headache. I still have to look at google everytime I wanna know what is row and what is column, lol.

    The current system is less confusing trust me. Also your alliance members should actually use the ingame filter before drafting x magica tactic attackers. Cuz that's how we did for other tactics like decay/sick and tired and all right?
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    pingu_tucnacekpingu_tucnacek Posts: 52


    The current system is less confusing trust me. Also your alliance members should actually use the ingame filter before drafting x magica tactic attackers. Cuz that's how we did for other tactics like decay/sick and tired and all right?

    I doubt that it would be more confusing, but yeah, I do use the filters every time even when I belive I already know the answer, because I never realy trust that there was no change since last time. ;)

    but its funny you mentioned the other tactics. hard to believe there are still people who do not understand that the selected tactic only applies to chapms with coresponding tag :s

    Anyway, yeah it would be best if the X would not be there at all, but I quess main reason is because of the AW buff and to mark saga characters, not becasue the any of the tactics. But its clearly the location of this thing in the character selection screen that is causing this confusion.

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    FolkvangrFolkvangr Posts: 123
    Dude, people went the wrong path in raids even when the symbols on champions match the symbols on the path
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    pingu_tucnacekpingu_tucnacek Posts: 52
    Folkvangr said:

    Dude, people went the wrong path in raids even when the symbols on champions match the symbols on the path

    So what? Is that an excuse to do it much more confusing instead of trying to find a way to make it really simple and avoid all that?
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    FolkvangrFolkvangr Posts: 123

    Folkvangr said:

    Dude, people went the wrong path in raids even when the symbols on champions match the symbols on the path

    So what? Is that an excuse to do it much more confusing instead of trying to find a way to make it really simple and avoid all that?
    No, but it shows that even if everything is crystal clear, people will make mistakes and complain about it
    Also it’s not confusing, it’s a symbol to know which champions are included in the saga, not to differentiate between both tags
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    pingu_tucnacekpingu_tucnacek Posts: 52
    Folkvangr said:


    Also it’s not confusing, it’s a symbol to know which champions are included in the saga, not to differentiate between both tags

    well obviously people DID confuse that for attacker tactic symbol, and it was not one random case
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    FolkvangrFolkvangr Posts: 123

    Folkvangr said:


    Also it’s not confusing, it’s a symbol to know which champions are included in the saga, not to differentiate between both tags

    well obviously people DID confuse that for attacker tactic symbol, and it was not one random case
    Yeah, just like they did with raid paths
    Doesn’t mean that it is confusing, just that people don’t pay attention or read at all
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    pingu_tucnacekpingu_tucnacek Posts: 52
    Folkvangr said:


    Yeah, just like they did with raid paths
    Doesn’t mean that it is confusing, just that people don’t pay attention or read at all

    since you so relentlesly insist on derailing to the raids - if kabam wanted the raid to be safe, they would have added character locked gates. but they did not. also they intentionaly allowed any champs to do any role, regardless what is suitable for them. and even more - you are allowe to choose boost that is totaly useless to you champ. but the intention was clear here. to allow anyone without corect champ to at least gain charges for others. and I am not questiong how good such choice that might be (its bad).

    But here the icon is X, exactly like X-Magicka. would you expect that to have anything to do with Magic, or Thief? I mean if you did not already knew? and the location of these also matches the expectations, so, nothing to give up any mistake, exept there can be diferent icon in that place. which there is no reason to expect, unles you already noteced elsewhere, there is alos on combined variant mixin both the X and the thingy displaing the attacker tactic.
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    Graves_3Graves_3 Posts: 1,378 ★★★★★
    Wait till battlegrounds start and you won’t know which is which.
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    FolkvangrFolkvangr Posts: 123

    Folkvangr said:


    Yeah, just like they did with raid paths
    Doesn’t mean that it is confusing, just that people don’t pay attention or read at all

    since you so relentlesly insist on derailing to the raids - if kabam wanted the raid to be safe, they would have added character locked gates. but they did not. also they intentionaly allowed any champs to do any role, regardless what is suitable for them. and even more - you are allowe to choose boost that is totaly useless to you champ. but the intention was clear here. to allow anyone without corect champ to at least gain charges for others. and I am not questiong how good such choice that might be (its bad).

    But here the icon is X, exactly like X-Magicka. would you expect that to have anything to do with Magic, or Thief? I mean if you did not already knew? and the location of these also matches the expectations, so, nothing to give up any mistake, exept there can be diferent icon in that place. which there is no reason to expect, unles you already noteced elsewhere, there is alos on combined variant mixin both the X and the thingy displaing the attacker tactic.
    X is the saga symbol, even the saga boost has it
    Why would you expect only half of the saga champions to have the saga symbol?
    The saga has been in the game for almost 6 weeks now, only reason to not know about it is by no paying attention, or just coming back to the game in the last few days

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    pingu_tucnacekpingu_tucnacek Posts: 52
    Folkvangr said:


    X is the saga symbol, even the saga boost has it
    Why would you expect only half of the saga champions to have the saga symbol?

    and THAT is EXACTLY the bad design choice I am talking about. thanks for noticing :) could have been easily any other symbol. One that woudl not be so easily confused with one of the tag names, and this chaos would be gone. probably.

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    SummonerNRSummonerNR Posts: 11,487 Guardian
    edited April 9

    A easy way to find is

    Mystic and mutants with the symbol are x magica
    Skill and cosmics with the symbol are magic thief
    Void is x magica, thing is magic thief

    One way of trying to remember this is comparing X-Magica to X-Men (or thus broader, to Mutants).
    So the “X” in X-Magica champs would imply Mutant, and as a second class the Mystics as well, because some of the other X-Men or Mutant associated champs are in the Mystic class in game (so even if there are other Mystic champs in Saga that are not related to Mutants, just think of it as the Class as a whole, which includes Magic users, aka “X-Magica”, thus Mystic).

    And conversely, the Thief tag would logically represent Skill class (no powers, etc, have to rely on their own wits, etc).
    As for 2nd class in Thief, not sure how to tie in Cosmic class. Other than to remember it as it is the other major class of champs in Saga that are *NOT* either Mutant/Mystic (X-Magica).

    Void and Thing being outliers, as the only “one-off” class champs in Saga.
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