Which champs are often misunderstood for how good they are?

EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,630 ★★★★★
edited April 21 in General Discussion
Note: this does include underrated

The champs that are actually not known for how good they are. I’m not talking just good for some situations, but have a wider range but players just don’t know how or why they are so good in a general sense. Ex: Photon on attack
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  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,630 ★★★★★
    laserjohn26 said:

    Who doesn't know photon is good on attack?

    Because she’s mainly used as a defender
  • OrtounOrtoun Member Posts: 831 ★★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    There's a very thin line between what you said and underrated. Every champ is appreciated for a piece of utility they have.

    A good champ who is misunderstood is Venompool. He literally a Galan with Dot/raw damage instead of burst. He is immune to every tech effect except heal block/special lock. Still I see him very less in bg decks.

    I think he can get the special lock immunity with a synergy with spidey Supreme. VP is one of my favorite comics, he just isn't the best in BG because he can be relatively slow.

    I would have said Wong. But people started to see his value once he was available as a 7 star and Necropolis came out.

    I'll say She-hulk. She has a ton of utility with slow and pseduo-taunt with her furies, unlocks one of the best synergies in the game with Mr Fantastic, and her damage isn't horrible.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,580 ★★★★★
    Ortoun said:

    captain_rogers said:

    There's a very thin line between what you said and underrated. Every champ is appreciated for a piece of utility they have.

    A good champ who is misunderstood is Venompool. He literally a Galan with Dot/raw damage instead of burst. He is immune to every tech effect except heal block/special lock. Still I see him very less in bg decks.

    I think he can get the special lock immunity with a synergy with spidey Supreme. VP is one of my favorite comics, he just isn't the best in BG because he can be relatively slow.

    I would have said Wong. But people started to see his value once he was available as a 7 star and Necropolis came out.

    I'll say She-hulk. She has a ton of utility with slow and pseduo-taunt with her furies, unlocks one of the best synergies in the game with Mr Fantastic, and her damage isn't horrible.
    In bgs he is slow but great against tech champs who inflict various effects, like peni warlock Or Ironman. Also Venom relic really helps.

    And while we are synergies, one excellent and criminally underrated synergy is Omega sentinel+Nimrod. Both are great champs on own, but become Mutant hunting Beasts when paired together.
  • JLordVileJJLordVileJ Member Posts: 4,285 ★★★★★
    Stealth spidey and oml are easily top 5 in each of their classes imo, pls don't kill me
  • OrtounOrtoun Member Posts: 831 ★★★★
    captain_rogers said:

    Ortoun said:

    captain_rogers said:

    There's a very thin line between what you said and underrated. Every champ is appreciated for a piece of utility they have.

    A good champ who is misunderstood is Venompool. He literally a Galan with Dot/raw damage instead of burst. He is immune to every tech effect except heal block/special lock. Still I see him very less in bg decks.

    I think he can get the special lock immunity with a synergy with spidey Supreme. VP is one of my favorite comics, he just isn't the best in BG because he can be relatively slow.

    I would have said Wong. But people started to see his value once he was available as a 7 star and Necropolis came out.

    I'll say She-hulk. She has a ton of utility with slow and pseduo-taunt with her furies, unlocks one of the best synergies in the game with Mr Fantastic, and her damage isn't horrible.
    In bgs he is slow but great against tech champs who inflict various effects, like peni warlock Or Ironman. Also Venom relic really helps.

    And while we are synergies, one excellent and criminally underrated synergy is Omega sentinel+Nimrod. Both are great champs on own, but become Mutant hunting Beasts when paired together.
    I don't disagree that he can work, and work well, I think he just suffers for not being a dual threat that champions like hulkling, galan, and even gorr can be in bg, and there are only so many deck slots. Also his Om Nom is like the only non nullify, non fateseal, non armor break buff remover in the game, and those other options are often blocked or punished by nodes.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,571 ★★★★★
    Luke cage by the op of the thread right below this one as of rn
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,050 ★★★★★
    Jabari Panther
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,117 ★★★★
    Luke Cage he's actually much better after his buff.
  • jcphillips7jcphillips7 Member Posts: 1,429 ★★★★
    edited April 21
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    I’d happily take mine up, but I’d have to use cats for r4 (have a gem for r5) and I don’t have enough dust at the moment. When I do it, I want it to be balls to the wall all at once.

    Maybe Spring Cleaning provides me the option.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,630 ★★★★★
    edited April 21
    Emilia90 said:

    EdisonLaw on his way to make his 90th thread for the week

    Lol I’ve only made like five threads so far this week
  • 007Bishop007Bishop Member Posts: 501 ★★★
    Gwen. Good damage, good utility and good synergies. Anyone who likes She Hulk but **** on gwen is probably a hypocrite. Those two are essentially the same except one's made for short bursty fights, the other is made for long form content.

    Dani. Crazy damage, good utility and most importantly, she shuts down defenders with cheat death mechanics with ease. If she had a miss mechanic similar kitty's where she gains power when the opponent counters her miss, she'd have been a top 10 mutant easily.

    Nebula. The real queen of shocks. Enough said.

    Aarkus and Red Goblin. Both are such high damage dealing champs with really good utility. No idea why they are so overlooked.

    Sorc Supreme. Receives so much hate. People claim she has no damage but they just haven't used her. And utility wise, she's just insane.

  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,580 ★★★★★
    007Bishop said:

    Gwen. Good damage, good utility and good synergies. Anyone who likes She Hulk but **** on gwen is probably a hypocrite. Those two are essentially the same except one's made for short bursty fights, the other is made for long form content.

    Dani. Crazy damage, good utility and most importantly, she shuts down defenders with cheat death mechanics with ease. If she had a miss mechanic similar kitty's where she gains power when the opponent counters her miss, she'd have been a top 10 mutant easily.

    Nebula. The real queen of shocks. Enough said.

    Aarkus and Red Goblin. Both are such high damage dealing champs with really good utility. No idea why they are so overlooked.

    Sorc Supreme. Receives so much hate. People claim she has no damage but they just haven't used her. And utility wise, she's just insane.

    Very real on Aarkus. I feel bad of ranking gorr over aarkus. He is criminally underrated. My fav Redskull counter. He is also great for evade champs and techs who power drain/burn a lot. His power gain is op. He also as purify as cosmmic champ when awakened and is a menace in defense if you don't have a counter
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    I’d happily take mine up, but I’d have to use cats for r4 (have a gem for r5) and I don’t have enough dust at the moment. When I do it, I want it to be balls to the wall all at once.

    Maybe Spring Cleaning provides me the option.
    I'm sure Spring Cleaning will have r4 mats so you're good. Make sure he's at the very least sig 80-120 by then though that's the sweet spot, sig 80 and below won't allow you to crit as often.
    Also, tip for using him, if possible let them fracture your shield with a heavy when the match starts so you can immediately start dealing crazy damage with heavy attacks.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,630 ★★★★★
    007Bishop said:

    Gwen. Good damage, good utility and good synergies. Anyone who likes She Hulk but **** on gwen is probably a hypocrite. Those two are essentially the same except one's made for short bursty fights, the other is made for long form content.

    Dani. Crazy damage, good utility and most importantly, she shuts down defenders with cheat death mechanics with ease. If she had a miss mechanic similar kitty's where she gains power when the opponent counters her miss, she'd have been a top 10 mutant easily.

    Nebula. The real queen of shocks. Enough said.

    Aarkus and Red Goblin. Both are such high damage dealing champs with really good utility. No idea why they are so overlooked.

    Sorc Supreme. Receives so much hate. People claim she has no damage but they just haven't used her. And utility wise, she's just insane.

    I wished Dani’s miss could bypass Daredevil and Nick’s anti miss abilities
  • jcphillips7jcphillips7 Member Posts: 1,429 ★★★★
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    I’d happily take mine up, but I’d have to use cats for r4 (have a gem for r5) and I don’t have enough dust at the moment. When I do it, I want it to be balls to the wall all at once.

    Maybe Spring Cleaning provides me the option.
    I'm sure Spring Cleaning will have r4 mats so you're good. Make sure he's at the very least sig 80-120 by then though that's the sweet spot, sig 80 and below won't allow you to crit as often.
    Also, tip for using him, if possible let them fracture your shield with a heavy when the match starts so you can immediately start dealing crazy damage with heavy attacks.
    He's already sig 120 now, but I would probably just max him out haha
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,451 ★★★★
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    He was just buffed two months ago, and its not like there is Necropolis/Winter of Woe content where Red Guardian has a chance to show off.

    Auntm.AI hasn't been updated in awhile, and Kabam doesn't make it easy to see what changes the buffed champions have received. From the few buff review videos I've seen, RG gets generally a B/B+ rating.

    All that is to say - he's not an immediately obvious top tier science champion that people should take up, and for people who don't play at a super competitive level, he does not cut the line of order to rank up champions. I have just recently started to appreciate Hulk, so taking up RG because he has a big SP2 does not really intrigue me at all.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,580 ★★★★★
    altavista said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    He was just buffed two months ago, and its not like there is Necropolis/Winter of Woe content where Red Guardian has a chance to show off.

    Auntm.AI hasn't been updated in awhile, and Kabam doesn't make it easy to see what changes the buffed champions have received. From the few buff review videos I've seen, RG gets generally a B/B+ rating.

    All that is to say - he's not an immediately obvious top tier science champion that people should take up, and for people who don't play at a super competitive level, he does not cut the line of order to rank up champions. I have just recently started to appreciate Hulk, so taking up RG because he has a big SP2 does not really intrigue me at all.
    Yeah he just was released in the wrong class lol. If he was a tech champ with few tech utilites and big sp2, He would be top3 of the class lol
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    jcphillips7 said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    I’d happily take mine up, but I’d have to use cats for r4 (have a gem for r5) and I don’t have enough dust at the moment. When I do it, I want it to be balls to the wall all at once.

    Maybe Spring Cleaning provides me the option.
    I'm sure Spring Cleaning will have r4 mats so you're good. Make sure he's at the very least sig 80-120 by then though that's the sweet spot, sig 80 and below won't allow you to crit as often.
    Also, tip for using him, if possible let them fracture your shield with a heavy when the match starts so you can immediately start dealing crazy damage with heavy attacks.
    He's already sig 120 now, but I would probably just max him out haha
    If you're going balls to the wall definitely lol mine's maxed too.
  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,450 ★★★★★
    altavista said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    He was just buffed two months ago, and its not like there is Necropolis/Winter of Woe content where Red Guardian has a chance to show off.

    Auntm.AI hasn't been updated in awhile, and Kabam doesn't make it easy to see what changes the buffed champions have received. From the few buff review videos I've seen, RG gets generally a B/B+ rating.

    All that is to say - he's not an immediately obvious top tier science champion that people should take up, and for people who don't play at a super competitive level, he does not cut the line of order to rank up champions. I have just recently started to appreciate Hulk, so taking up RG because he has a big SP2 does not really intrigue me at all.
    What videos have you been watching where he gets a B? Go watch Nagase or KM lmao because this is such a bad take on RG
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    altavista said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    He was just buffed two months ago, and its not like there is Necropolis/Winter of Woe content where Red Guardian has a chance to show off.

    Auntm.AI hasn't been updated in awhile, and Kabam doesn't make it easy to see what changes the buffed champions have received. From the few buff review videos I've seen, RG gets generally a B/B+ rating.

    All that is to say - he's not an immediately obvious top tier science champion that people should take up, and for people who don't play at a super competitive level, he does not cut the line of order to rank up champions. I have just recently started to appreciate Hulk, so taking up RG because he has a big SP2 does not really intrigue me at all.
    What videos have you been watching where he gets a B? Go watch Nagase or KM lmao because this is such a bad take on RG
    I don't think he's watched any videos at all quite frankly. There's no way you call Red Guardian B rating after watching him do crazy stuff like this:
    https://youtu.be/QExNZy7nB0E?si=xNdSkUoYYgQ8buQn
    This is obviously just one example, then there's Maestro Photon Killmonger Nick Kindred Sasquatch Rintrah Mephisto Future Ant-Man Bishop Terrax Maw and the list goes on and on lol his comment is exactly what I'm talking about. People are underestimating him so bad it's kinda funny.
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,451 ★★★★
    ItsClobberinTime said:

    altavista said:

    ItsClobberinTime said:

    I'm just gonna say, my Red Guardian's still not getting banned in BGs and I haven't seen him in other decks either. I wonder why it's taking so long for this community to catch on 💀

    He was just buffed two months ago, and its not like there is Necropolis/Winter of Woe content where Red Guardian has a chance to show off.

    Auntm.AI hasn't been updated in awhile, and Kabam doesn't make it easy to see what changes the buffed champions have received. From the few buff review videos I've seen, RG gets generally a B/B+ rating.

    All that is to say - he's not an immediately obvious top tier science champion that people should take up, and for people who don't play at a super competitive level, he does not cut the line of order to rank up champions. I have just recently started to appreciate Hulk, so taking up RG because he has a big SP2 does not really intrigue me at all.
    B rating lol have you watched any videos at all or even used him? In the current meta, someone who can take Photon, Maestro and Onslaught in 30 secs is definitely not B rating.

    Also, not top tier? He's taking fights both Hulk and Titania can't take and the ones they can take, he's still just as quick or quicker but never slower 💀
    As for the "just because he has big sp2" comment also incorrect, he has buff immunity which is valuable due to how rare it is, and slow on sp1 which he can keep up forever basically. He might not be a Swiss army knife like Warlock in terms of utility but he's not damage only either, there is some utility there too.
    Dunno why this is turning into a personal attack. I’m just providing my hypothesis on why people arent familiar with Red Guardian’s buff, and why some players might not value it even if they are aware. I explicitly stated “ for people who don't play at a super competitive level”.

    I frankly don’t care about “rank ups for current Meta” or to take specific competitive defenders. More power to you that you have a champion that gets you BGs wins. With my limited Science catalysts, I’d rather concentrate on other champions who do more for my account in other content.
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