Negasonic Ability Wording

Bief

I brought Negasonic to AW for the Final Boss, Bullseye, and I noticed that the precognition evade mechanic failed in that fight and went on cool down. So I guess my question is about the wording of "while fighting skill champions" in Negasonic's abilities. Her ability states that evade and true effects suffer -100% ability accuracy, however, it appears that in game, both Bullseye's evade/counter-strike and the True Strike from the node were activating. Is it the case that Negasonic's ability does not affect nodes and Bullseye's counter-strike doesn't count as an evade, even though the mechanic refers to itself as an evade under Bullseye's abilities? If both things are true, could this language be cleaned up to reflect the intended interaction?

Bendy

Its more of she can counter the ability but not the node

Bief

I wasn't trying to complain about the interaction. Just a comment on the wording, bullseye's counter-attack refers to itself as an evade and Negasonic's ability says -100% ability accuracy for evades. So it is misleading if he can still evade, unless there is another interaction causing Negasonic's ability to fail

Bendy

Bief said:

I wasn't trying to complain about the interaction. Just a comment on the wording, bullseye's counter-attack refers to itself as an evade and Negasonic's ability says -100% ability accuracy for evades. So it is misleading if he can still evade, unless there is another interaction causing Negasonic's ability to fail

The actual true strike node in war boss makes it so his counter attack evade can evade as the true strike node is preventing negasonic to counter the counter evade

Edit: so basically boss bullseyes counter negasonic where u cant keep hitting u gotta play like if u used domino dust bishop of u have to bait sp1s

Pikolu

I'm pretty sure that Negasonic not countering true strike from nodes with skill champions on them is being looked at as a bug. Basically what is happening right now is true strike triggers before she can reduce the ability accuracy of it and that's why she can't counter attack bullseye on the boss node.

Bendy

Pikolu said:

I'm pretty sure that Negasonic not countering true strike from nodes with skill champions on them is being looked at as a bug. Basically what is happening right now is true strike triggers before she can reduce the ability accuracy of it and that's why she can't counter attack bullseye on the boss node.

Thats interesting if shes suppose to as ive fought it twice once of trying to see if she would evade and second time well doing the fight normal since learning from previous

Bugmat78

Pikolu said:

I'm pretty sure that Negasonic not countering true strike from nodes with skill champions on them is being looked at as a bug. Basically what is happening right now is true strike triggers before she can reduce the ability accuracy of it and that's why she can't counter attack bullseye on the boss node.

I hope this is true - one ally mate got wrecked after taking her to 6r5 and trying that fight in tier 3 aw

Magrailothos

Pikolu said:

I'm pretty sure that Negasonic not countering true strike from nodes with skill champions on them is being looked at as a bug. Basically what is happening right now is true strike triggers before she can reduce the ability accuracy of it and that's why she can't counter attack bullseye on the boss node.

Is it the node at all, though?

Isn't the problem this:


I would have thought that the easiest explanation is: Bullseye's Killer Instinct was granted immunity to AAR in order to make him an even nastier defender with fewer counters.

The AAR immunity very clearly doesn't apply just to triggering Killer Instinct; it applies to the entire "Effects of" Killer Instinct - gaining the charge, triggering the charge, evading the attack, counter-attacking, and increasing the likelihood he'll throw a Special, and triggering Unblockable if he does.

Another of Bullseye's abilities is that when he throws a Special Attack, he also gains True Accuracy. I would have thought that there's a very good chance that it's the Ability Accuracy of this True Accuracy ability which is being protected by the AAR immunity of Killer Instinct.

The War node providing True Strike may be completely superfluous, and that all Bullseye needs to pull this off is stun immunity. It's easy to check - someone try Negasonic against him when he's on a different stun-immune node that isn't Boss Island.

Anyone? Anyone?

Bendy

Magrailothos said:

Pikolu said:

I'm pretty sure that Negasonic not countering true strike from nodes with skill champions on them is being looked at as a bug. Basically what is happening right now is true strike triggers before she can reduce the ability accuracy of it and that's why she can't counter attack bullseye on the boss node.

Is it the node at all, though?

Isn't the problem this:


I would have thought that the easiest explanation is: Bullseye's Killer Instinct was granted immunity to AAR in order to make him an even nastier defender with fewer counters.

The AAR immunity very clearly doesn't apply just to triggering Killer Instinct; it applies to the entire "Effects of" Killer Instinct - gaining the charge, triggering the charge, evading the attack, counter-attacking, and increasing the likelihood he'll throw a Special, and triggering Unblockable if he does.

Another of Bullseye's abilities is that when he throws a Special Attack, he also gains True Accuracy. I would have thought that there's a very good chance that it's the Ability Accuracy of this True Accuracy ability which is being protected by the AAR immunity of Killer Instinct.

The War node providing True Strike may be completely superfluous, and that all Bullseye needs to pull this off is stun immunity. It's easy to check - someone try Negasonic against him when he's on a different stun-immune node that isn't Boss Island.

Anyone? Anyone?

Any node she works but due to boss atm having true strike if it is a bug the true strike prevents negasonic to counter the counter attack evade from bullseyes killer instinct but she doesnt get affected by his true strike just the bosses as i tried day 1 on boss node and stunning reflection, like stunning reflection she works fine for if u time the incinerates to put it on cooldown to then do the loop but boss node u cant do the loop not due to stun immune but due to as mentioned boss having true strike

Magrailothos

Bendy said:

Magrailothos said:

Pikolu said:

I'm pretty sure that Negasonic not countering true strike from nodes with skill champions on them is being looked at as a bug. Basically what is happening right now is true strike triggers before she can reduce the ability accuracy of it and that's why she can't counter attack bullseye on the boss node.

Is it the node at all, though?

Isn't the problem this:


I would have thought that the easiest explanation is: Bullseye's Killer Instinct was granted immunity to AAR in order to make him an even nastier defender with fewer counters.

The AAR immunity very clearly doesn't apply just to triggering Killer Instinct; it applies to the entire "Effects of" Killer Instinct - gaining the charge, triggering the charge, evading the attack, counter-attacking, and increasing the likelihood he'll throw a Special, and triggering Unblockable if he does.

Another of Bullseye's abilities is that when he throws a Special Attack, he also gains True Accuracy. I would have thought that there's a very good chance that it's the Ability Accuracy of this True Accuracy ability which is being protected by the AAR immunity of Killer Instinct.

The War node providing True Strike may be completely superfluous, and that all Bullseye needs to pull this off is stun immunity. It's easy to check - someone try Negasonic against him when he's on a different stun-immune node that isn't Boss Island.

Anyone? Anyone?

Any node she works but due to boss atm having true strike if it is a bug the true strike prevents negasonic to counter the counter attack evade from bullseyes killer instinct but she doesnt get affected by his true strike just the bosses as i tried day 1 on boss node and stunning reflection, like stunning reflection she works fine for if u time the incinerates to put it on cooldown to then do the loop but boss node u cant do the loop not due to stun immune but due to as mentioned boss having true strike

Okay, thanks for checking.