Beta ray bill: a missed top tier?

Trafalgarwar96

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

Emilia90

He doesn’t seem that complicated. The sp2 intercept was shown as a more long form content oriented ability. He seems very simple for short form stuff and the heavy charge is an additional way to boost him

JLordVileJ

How does skilled gameplay mean not top tier

Ortoun

From what I saw, the starting with the light is only if you are trying to keep the shocks paused, which you don't always want to do. Seems like he has any interesting kit, and his new utility to counter glance is long overdue.

EdisonLaw

He's like Scorpion, play him normally in short fights, the special intercept, like Scorpion is designed for long fights.

ahmynuts

Just say you lack skill at the game. It's okay

EdisonLaw

EdisonLaw said:

He's like Scorpion, play him normally in short fights, the special intercept, like Scorpion is designed for long fights.

In addition he has some AI manipulation such as intimidate and infuriate to make it easier

Lokx

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

Intercepting with sp2 comes easy to me having constantly practiced with herc, as for light intercept i recently got back into watching dorks lessons about side stepping and other stuff which has improved my light intercept

https://youtu.be/DvtLzmG5txo?feature=shared

But even then you could always just block and start a light combo starter so not really skill heavy.

EdisonLaw

Lokx said:

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

Intercepting with sp2 comes easy to me having constantly practiced with herc, as for light intercept i recently got back into watching dorks lessons about side stepping and other stuff which has improved my light intercept

https://youtu.be/DvtLzmG5txo?feature=shared

But even then you could always just block and start a light combo starter so not really skill heavy.

True, herc was the first champion I learned to intercept with, brings back memories

Karatemike415

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

You don't need to intercept with the SP2 - there is a high skill element there to increase his damage if needed.

You also don't need to start with a Light attack unless you're wanting to ramp him all the way up (BIG health pools). You could ignore both of these things for shorter Battlegrounds style fights and go SP2 > SP1.

Trafalgarwar96

Karatemike415 said:

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

You don't need to intercept with the SP2 - there is a high skill element there to increase his damage if needed.

You also don't need to start with a Light attack unless you're wanting to ramp him all the way up (BIG health pools). You could ignore both of these things for shorter Battlegrounds style fights and go SP2 > SP1.

Ok ok, it seems i was wrong
Good to hear that

EdisonLaw

Karatemike415 said:

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

You don't need to intercept with the SP2 - there is a high skill element there to increase his damage if needed.

You also don't need to start with a Light attack unless you're wanting to ramp him all the way up (BIG health pools). You could ignore both of these things for shorter Battlegrounds style fights and go SP2 > SP1.

Hey @Karatemike415 , a bit off topic here, but who’s deep dive will be coming first, Bill or Enchantress?

HassamaMama

EdisonLaw said:

Karatemike415 said:

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

You don't need to intercept with the SP2 - there is a high skill element there to increase his damage if needed.

You also don't need to start with a Light attack unless you're wanting to ramp him all the way up (BIG health pools). You could ignore both of these things for shorter Battlegrounds style fights and go SP2 > SP1.

Hey @Karatemike415 , a bit off topic here, but who’s deep dive will be coming first, Bill or Enchantress?

Bill, he’s releasing first so his Deep Dive will be first. But they’ll also likely release both tomorrow tbh

Demonzfyre

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

Can we stop doing this? Basing things off small clips instead of actually playing the champ?

Nightheart

You are wrong he actually is better than Morbius

EdisonLaw

Demonzfyre said:

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

Can we stop doing this? Basing things off small clips instead of actually playing the champ?

Plus the deep dive should be tomorrow

Zolobacsi

EdisonLaw said:

EdisonLaw said:

He's like Scorpion, play him normally in short fights, the special intercept, like Scorpion is designed for long fights.

In addition he has some AI manipulation such as intimidate and infuriate to make it easier

Yeah, that works amazing with the others too, *cough* Gladiator *cough*.

EdisonLaw

Zolobacsi said:

EdisonLaw said:

EdisonLaw said:

He's like Scorpion, play him normally in short fights, the special intercept, like Scorpion is designed for long fights.

In addition he has some AI manipulation such as intimidate and infuriate to make it easier

Yeah, that works amazing with the others too, *cough* Gladiator *cough*.

Titania also

Batman_bruce31

Demonzfyre said:

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I have seen the deep dive of beta ray bill
I am a bit upset. You have to intercept with the sp2, you have to start the combo with the light attack (it s not so easy like absorbing man)
I don t how about the damage but it seems that the gameplay is not so easy

Can we stop doing this? Basing things off small clips instead of actually playing the champ?

Yes please, these are the people who said Kate Bishop is an average champ when she was first released. And we all know how good she is lol

WednesdayLength

Light intercepting is really easy and consistent once you get the hang of it

Trafalgarwar96

I read his abilities
Do you think that unduped, is still a worthy hero to use? I think that the damage can be still great
No?

HassamaMama

Trafalgarwar96 said:

I read his abilities
Do you think that unduped, is still a worthy hero to use? I think that the damage can be still great
No?

Yes.

Shadowstrike

JLordVileJ said:

How does skilled gameplay mean not top tier

Cuz they've been spoiled by Hercules and Hyperion. They want someone who requires minimal effort and high damage output.

KTPrimal

Shadowstrike said:

JLordVileJ said:

How does skilled gameplay mean not top tier

Cuz they've been spoiled by Hercules and Hyperion. They want someone who requires minimal effort and high damage output.

Goes all the way back to pre 12.0 with Scarlet Witch. If a champ wasn't a generic MLLLM sp2 champ they were considered bad. It took time after the nerf for players to admit Hyperion and others were good.

EdisonLaw

WednesdayLength said:

Light intercepting is really easy and consistent once you get the hang of it

It is easy but the problem is that the AI sometimes won’t cooperate

WednesdayLength

EdisonLaw said:

WednesdayLength said:

Light intercepting is really easy and consistent once you get the hang of it

It is easy but the problem is that the AI sometimes won’t cooperate

I've not had that many issues with it

Trafalgarwar96

Shadowstrike said:

JLordVileJ said:

How does skilled gameplay mean not top tier

Cuz they've been spoiled by Hercules and Hyperion. They want someone who requires minimal effort and high damage output.

You misunderstood completely
The gameplay for me is difficult because the IA manipulation in the game doesnt work very well. See gladiator and hulkling. Or see mantis and valkyrie
It s not difficult to intercept with the sp2 but do you think that the infuriate and the intimidate of the beta ray's heavy attack will work like they should? Really?