Better Defender? Sassy vs Man-thing

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Do you think man thing holds a candle to Sassy with both of them at r3?

Both have a tanky health pool and ways of mitigating damage (rage stacks, crit dmg resistance). Sassy has constant specials, Man-thing inflicts poison. Both have a ton of health.

Although Sassy is more of a stall and probably will win the vote, its important to note that Man-thing has a lot less counters than Sassy

Friendly001

Sasquatch

Sassy is a timeless defender. Although I did just R3 Man Thing on my mini, so I’ll see how he does.

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Friendly001 said:

Sassy is a timeless defender. Although I did just R3 Man Thing on my mini, so I’ll see how he does.

I can't remember if Sassy was the better Defender back before 7*'s were released. I use to use man thing a ton but my 6* sassy was unranked since he needed high sig

Bugmat78

Sasquatch

Once you are poison immune Man-Thing is much easier.

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Bugmat78 said:

Once you are poison immune Man-Thing is much easier.

He can still stall if the science champ relies on crits like Hulk since hes tanky.

@ItsClobberinTime gotta say im surprised you voted MT

ItsClobberinTime

Man-thing

Polygon said:

Bugmat78 said:

Once you are poison immune Man-Thing is much easier.

He can still stall if the science champ relies on crits like Hulk since hes tanky.

@ItsClobberinTime gotta say im surprised you voted MT

I voted MT cause I think people are severely underestimating the r3 due to very few people having him at that rank, he has less science counters than Sasquatch and his hp is nearly just as big.
As someone with a r3 Sasquatch, mine has been nuked in about 45 by some r3s and even r6s. If they draft r3 Hulk, Silk, Titania, Ham, Luke, Photon or r6 Red Goat I just can't place him on defense cause he will go down in 45 secs or less.
MT on the other hand shuts down five of those, not to the point where the fight isn't doable but to the point you will either take some poison damage or go above 60 secs. People don't realize how much slower Hulk, Silk, Red Goat, Photon and Luke are when they can't crit, their burst damage is so much lower there is no way they can finish in sub 45 unless there's a node supercharging them like the one on this meta. Cassie would probably do it faster than any of them and she isn't exactly known for being fast.

EdisonLaw

Sasquatch

I’d say they are very close

Terminatrix

Man-thing

So far, I vote MT because of his crit resistance and immunities, which can be a game delayers. Sassy gets taken down easily by science champs, particularly Wasp. But I'm willing to try and see if I'm right.

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ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

Bugmat78 said:

Once you are poison immune Man-Thing is much easier.

He can still stall if the science champ relies on crits like Hulk since hes tanky.

@ItsClobberinTime gotta say im surprised you voted MT

I voted MT cause I think people are severely underestimating the r3 due to very few people having him at that rank, he has less science counters than Sasquatch and his hp is nearly just as big.
As someone with a r3 Sasquatch, mine has been nuked in about 45 by some r3s and even r6s. If they draft r3 Hulk, Silk, Titania, Ham, Luke, Photon or r6 Red Goat I just can't place him on defense cause he will go down in 45 secs or less.
MT on the other hand shuts down five of those, not to the point where the fight isn't doable but to the point you will either take some poison damage or go above 60 secs. People don't realize how much slower Hulk, Silk, Red Goat, Photon and Luke are when they can't crit, their burst damage is so much lower there is no way they can finish in sub 45 unless there's a node supercharging them like the one on this meta. Cassie would probably do it faster than any of them and she isn't exactly known for being fast.

Keep in mind though, your Sassy is not yet awakened right?

That awakening ability adds a lot to his defensive kit since he spams specials back to back combined with Mystic Dispersion, that and he also goes unstoppable which can corner you against the wall if you get a bad AI.

Titania has the AI issues on sp3 so shes out. Pig and Luke are nukes. But who really runs Luke? Hulk I've seen people mess up with him against same rank Sassy like in Lagacys vid. Im not sure how Silk would work but without her heavy chaining (hes stun immune in wrath) wouldnt it slow her down? Or full combo relic into full combo sp2 during his wrath still nukes him? Photon i doubt consistently does it in under 50s unless she has good crit rng

ItsClobberinTime

Man-thing

Polygon said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Polygon said:

Bugmat78 said:

Once you are poison immune Man-Thing is much easier.

He can still stall if the science champ relies on crits like Hulk since hes tanky.

@ItsClobberinTime gotta say im surprised you voted MT

I voted MT cause I think people are severely underestimating the r3 due to very few people having him at that rank, he has less science counters than Sasquatch and his hp is nearly just as big.
As someone with a r3 Sasquatch, mine has been nuked in about 45 by some r3s and even r6s. If they draft r3 Hulk, Silk, Titania, Ham, Luke, Photon or r6 Red Goat I just can't place him on defense cause he will go down in 45 secs or less.
MT on the other hand shuts down five of those, not to the point where the fight isn't doable but to the point you will either take some poison damage or go above 60 secs. People don't realize how much slower Hulk, Silk, Red Goat, Photon and Luke are when they can't crit, their burst damage is so much lower there is no way they can finish in sub 45 unless there's a node supercharging them like the one on this meta. Cassie would probably do it faster than any of them and she isn't exactly known for being fast.

Keep in mind though, your Sassy is not yet awakened right?

That awakening ability adds a lot to his defensive kit since he spams specials back to back combined with Mystic Dispersion, that and he also goes unstoppable which can corner you against the wall if you get a bad AI.

Titania has the AI issues on sp3 so shes out. Pig and Luke are nukes. But who really runs Luke? Hulk I've seen people mess up with him against same rank Sassy like in Lagacys vid. Im not sure how Silk would work but without her heavy chaining (hes stun immune in wrath) wouldnt it slow her down? Or full combo relic into full combo sp2 during his wrath still nukes him? Photon i doubt consistently does it in under 50s unless she has good crit rng

He is not but if you're running despair (which everyone should be if they're using science champs) that regen has very little effect because the debuffs will reduce it by a lot.

Most of the r3s I mentioned either have slow or can finish before he enters Wrath though, Luke straight up shuts him down completely and I think we're going to see a a pretty big surge because of how well he can take Serpent. I already took Luke to r2 myself.
Silk you just go for sp3, he'll be dead after a few combos before he can even trigger Wrath.
You might be right about Photon though don't have one myself so I wouldn't know.

Real_Madrid_76_2

Sasquatch

There are too many of poison immune champs in game currently making man thing less of a defensive threat without MD. Sassy is basically immortal and has that insane combo of max MD and enhanced combat power rate to time out the fight. Not forgetting that his stun immunity at times with unstoppable on heavies gives opponent very few openings, leaving him to wait for intercept, which is risky due to ai issues. He's the better one