Kabam, why can’t we reply to the balancing posts directly?

EdisonLaw

Instead of creating a new thread to talk about champion balancing, why are we not allowed to reply to those balance update threads directly? Wouldn’t that make discussions a lot easier?

Lokx

People would make new threads regardless.

Ashacekar

That will cause chaos which will result in shifting of earth's geo magnetic center. So it's not a good move.

captain_rogers

We really need to hear more reasoning from kabam on this matter. Remember our mission on tomorrow's livestream.

EdisonLaw

captain_rogers said:

We really need to hear more reasoning from kabam on this matter. Remember our mission on tomorrow's livestream.

Definitely tomorrow we’ll have our chance to ask them

BigBlueOx

EdisonLaw said:

captain_rogers said:

We really need to hear more reasoning from kabam on this matter. Remember our mission on tomorrow's livestream.

Definitely tomorrow we’ll have our chance to ask them

If they address it I’ll be floored. To date the streams focus on talking about the new shiny stuff only

Squidopus

EdisonLaw said:

captain_rogers said:

We really need to hear more reasoning from kabam on this matter. Remember our mission on tomorrow's livestream.

Definitely tomorrow we’ll have our chance to ask them

No way. They’ve never done that sort of thing. The livestreams are usually just to give us info on what’s coming up, not damage control or explanations on what’s already happening.

Honestly I don’t envy Dork. He’s gonna have to go up there tomorrow and endure the onslaught of people complaining about Serpent’s (lack of) balancing even though he has no part in that. Chat’s probably gonna be full of vitriol and he’s just gonna have to ignore it all and pretend nothing’s happening because he has a job to do which is presenting new information, not addressing the balancing team’s decisions.

Darkraw346

They're afraid

Darkraw346

Rightfully so, btw

EdisonLaw

Squidopus said:

EdisonLaw said:

captain_rogers said:

We really need to hear more reasoning from kabam on this matter. Remember our mission on tomorrow's livestream.

Definitely tomorrow we’ll have our chance to ask them

No way. They’ve never done that sort of thing. The livestreams are usually just to give us info on what’s coming up, not damage control or explanations on what’s already happening.

Honestly I don’t envy Dork. He’s gonna have to go up there tomorrow and endure the onslaught of people complaining about Serpent’s (lack of) balancing even though he has no part in that. Chat’s probably gonna be full of vitriol and he’s just gonna have to ignore it all and pretend nothing’s happening because he has a job to do which is presenting new information, not addressing the balancing team’s decisions.

That’s what I’m predicting, lots of questions and complaints about the rebalancing decision

DocWest

Tomorrow’s livestream is going to be so toxic. I feel bad for Dave for having to sit through all that venom.

Colinwhitworth69

DocWest said:

Tomorrow’s livestream is going to be so toxic. I feel bad for Dave for having to sit through all that venom.

I am sure they're quite used to it, considering the inherent toxicity of immature gamer boys who have nothing better in life to do than complain about a free mobile video game.

Kabam Pinwheel

So focus of the thread has shifted slightly, but just to address the original question, there's sort of two answers. First of all it's a news and announcements post which locks the comments. They need to go in that category for visibility. That said, the second part of the answer is that's just how it's been done previously. I'm open to feedback on ways we can do it better, but to @Lokx 's point, folks would likely make new threads regardless haha.

DNA3000

Darkraw346 said:

They're afraid

They certainly hide it well.

Squidopus

Colinwhitworth69 said:

DocWest said:

Tomorrow’s livestream is going to be so toxic. I feel bad for Dave for having to sit through all that venom.

I am sure they're quite used to it, considering the inherent toxicity of immature gamer boys who have nothing better in life to do than complain about a free mobile video game.

I’m sure Dork and the rest of the team are, it’s kinda part of the job and the chat isn’t really well behaved on a good day either. Doesn’t change the fact that it sucks to deal with and tomorrow’s chat may very well be the worst it’s ever been on a livestream. I just hope that people will be smart and realize he’s not really the guy to yell at about this, even if that’s a pipe dream.

WhiteKnight

Kabam Pinwheel said:

So focus of the thread has shifted slightly, but just to address the original question, there's sort of two answers. First of all it's a news and announcements post which locks the comments. They need to go in that category for visibility. That said, the second part of the answer is that's just how it's been done previously. I'm open to feedback on ways we can do it better, but to @Lokx 's point, folks would likely make new threads regardless haha.

In that case, can we get a response to one of the many outraged posts on the lack of serpent nerf?

I love serpent, have him R3 but this is a bit of a joke and more than anything shows the players that all the rebalance program is for is attacker nerfs... pretty sure the ONLY rebalance we've seen make a difference was Sandman go from a formidable attacker to a dudd and yet all these emensely over powered defenders are being left to wreak Havoc? Just sounds like there's a motive behind these decisions, and it's not to benefit the players

GroundedWisdom

WhiteKnight said:

Kabam Pinwheel said:

So focus of the thread has shifted slightly, but just to address the original question, there's sort of two answers. First of all it's a news and announcements post which locks the comments. They need to go in that category for visibility. That said, the second part of the answer is that's just how it's been done previously. I'm open to feedback on ways we can do it better, but to @Lokx 's point, folks would likely make new threads regardless haha.

In that case, can we get a response to one of the many outraged posts on the lack of serpent nerf?

I love serpent, have him R3 but this is a bit of a joke and more than anything shows the players that all the rebalance program is for is attacker nerfs... pretty sure the ONLY rebalance we've seen make a difference was Sandman go from a formidable attacker to a dudd and yet all these emensely over powered defenders are being left to wreak Havoc? Just sounds like there's a motive behind these decisions, and it's not to benefit the players

This whole "Player benefit vs. Kabam benefit" narrative is a fallacy. There is no such thing as a Player benefit conspiracy. Too often that's confused with want, and I can assure you. Want doesn't always equate to long-term benefit.
Question. If they change their objectives because people want it, what does that open them up to long-term?

EdisonLaw

WhiteKnight said:

Kabam Pinwheel said:

So focus of the thread has shifted slightly, but just to address the original question, there's sort of two answers. First of all it's a news and announcements post which locks the comments. They need to go in that category for visibility. That said, the second part of the answer is that's just how it's been done previously. I'm open to feedback on ways we can do it better, but to @Lokx 's point, folks would likely make new threads regardless haha.

In that case, can we get a response to one of the many outraged posts on the lack of serpent nerf?

I love serpent, have him R3 but this is a bit of a joke and more than anything shows the players that all the rebalance program is for is attacker nerfs... pretty sure the ONLY rebalance we've seen make a difference was Sandman go from a formidable attacker to a dudd and yet all these emensely over powered defenders are being left to wreak Havoc? Just sounds like there's a motive behind these decisions, and it's not to benefit the players

That's not all they have done, they have also turned Shuri and Attuma who were mid champions into really loved champs by the community. Same with Midiator turned Gladiator. Though at the same time they did make some questionable decisions, such as this

WednesdayLength

EdisonLaw said:

captain_rogers said:

We really need to hear more reasoning from kabam on this matter. Remember our mission on tomorrow's livestream.

Definitely tomorrow we’ll have our chance to ask them

They won't answer because that's not the point of the streams

WednesdayLength

WhiteKnight said:

Kabam Pinwheel said:

So focus of the thread has shifted slightly, but just to address the original question, there's sort of two answers. First of all it's a news and announcements post which locks the comments. They need to go in that category for visibility. That said, the second part of the answer is that's just how it's been done previously. I'm open to feedback on ways we can do it better, but to @Lokx 's point, folks would likely make new threads regardless haha.

In that case, can we get a response to one of the many outraged posts on the lack of serpent nerf?

I love serpent, have him R3 but this is a bit of a joke and more than anything shows the players that all the rebalance program is for is attacker nerfs... pretty sure the ONLY rebalance we've seen make a difference was Sandman go from a formidable attacker to a dudd and yet all these emensely over powered defenders are being left to wreak Havoc? Just sounds like there's a motive behind these decisions, and it's not to benefit the players

They nerfed absorbing man as a defender, they also buffed shuri, attuma, mantis, gladiator, shocker, and in that time have us buffs like red guardian, like cage, mr sinister and superior iron man. Stop pretending like they aren't buffing champions

WhiteKnight

WednesdayLength said:

WhiteKnight said:

Kabam Pinwheel said:

So focus of the thread has shifted slightly, but just to address the original question, there's sort of two answers. First of all it's a news and announcements post which locks the comments. They need to go in that category for visibility. That said, the second part of the answer is that's just how it's been done previously. I'm open to feedback on ways we can do it better, but to @Lokx 's point, folks would likely make new threads regardless haha.

In that case, can we get a response to one of the many outraged posts on the lack of serpent nerf?

I love serpent, have him R3 but this is a bit of a joke and more than anything shows the players that all the rebalance program is for is attacker nerfs... pretty sure the ONLY rebalance we've seen make a difference was Sandman go from a formidable attacker to a dudd and yet all these emensely over powered defenders are being left to wreak Havoc? Just sounds like there's a motive behind these decisions, and it's not to benefit the players

They nerfed absorbing man as a defender, they also buffed shuri, attuma, mantis, gladiator, shocker, and in that time have us buffs like red guardian, like cage, mr sinister and superior iron man. Stop pretending like they aren't buffing champions

Shuri was already good, they made her rotation more sustainable, attuma isn't an offensive champ so don't see any difference, gladiator was given a better ramp none of these are major or have really affected anyone.

They're straight up refusing to do any real changes in the rebalances, KT himself said almost every champs released in 2024 needs an offensive buff and yet zilch Al the champs who need tuning down for defence haven't been touched and Kabam Miike himself said the rebalance program was introduced to prevent champs like Herc & Kitty being left as is and yet Serpent is exactly where they wanted him? It's a joke 😂

What's healthy for the game is listening to the player base, almost every content creator and high end player is saying serpent is over powered and if Kabam don't listen more people will stop playing

WednesdayLength

WhiteKnight said:

WednesdayLength said:

WhiteKnight said:

Kabam Pinwheel said:

So focus of the thread has shifted slightly, but just to address the original question, there's sort of two answers. First of all it's a news and announcements post which locks the comments. They need to go in that category for visibility. That said, the second part of the answer is that's just how it's been done previously. I'm open to feedback on ways we can do it better, but to @Lokx 's point, folks would likely make new threads regardless haha.

In that case, can we get a response to one of the many outraged posts on the lack of serpent nerf?

I love serpent, have him R3 but this is a bit of a joke and more than anything shows the players that all the rebalance program is for is attacker nerfs... pretty sure the ONLY rebalance we've seen make a difference was Sandman go from a formidable attacker to a dudd and yet all these emensely over powered defenders are being left to wreak Havoc? Just sounds like there's a motive behind these decisions, and it's not to benefit the players

They nerfed absorbing man as a defender, they also buffed shuri, attuma, mantis, gladiator, shocker, and in that time have us buffs like red guardian, like cage, mr sinister and superior iron man. Stop pretending like they aren't buffing champions

Shuri was already good, they made her rotation more sustainable, attuma isn't an offensive champ so don't see any difference, gladiator was given a better ramp none of these are major or have really affected anyone.

They're straight up refusing to do any real changes in the rebalances, KT himself said almost every champs released in 2024 needs an offensive buff and yet zilch Al the champs who need tuning down for defence haven't been touched and Kabam Miike himself said the rebalance program was introduced to prevent champs like Herc & Kitty being left as is and yet Serpent is exactly where they wanted him? It's a joke 😂

What's healthy for the game is listening to the player base, almost every content creator and high end player is saying serpent is over powered and if Kabam don't listen more people will stop playing

Shuris buff pushed her into being a top 5 tech, attuma is absolutely an offensive champion thanks to his buff. You can't possibly say that gladiators buff didn't have an impact, he went from being barely useable to being one of the best cosmic attackers in bgs and all round bonkers.

Kt1 saying champs need an offense bump means literally nothing. Ignoring the fact that he's usually overly negative about everything in the game, he's not on the design team and doesn't know how they were designed to function. It's very easy to say they need more damage but most of the champs he's saying that about don't even need it.

Except they have been nerfing defenders that need it. Bullseye got a defensive nerf however slight and also we've had multiple counters to him since he released. Serpent is a rough defender and probably overturned in battlegrounds, but he's not on the level of hercules and kitty who can literally steamroll content

EdisonLaw

EdisonLaw said:

captain_rogers said:

We really need to hear more reasoning from kabam on this matter. Remember our mission on tomorrow's livestream.

Definitely tomorrow we’ll have our chance to ask them

Well they didn't address it lol, instead they gave us Shathra, a potentially good counter

GroundedWisdom

WhiteKnight said:

WednesdayLength said:

WhiteKnight said:

Kabam Pinwheel said:

So focus of the thread has shifted slightly, but just to address the original question, there's sort of two answers. First of all it's a news and announcements post which locks the comments. They need to go in that category for visibility. That said, the second part of the answer is that's just how it's been done previously. I'm open to feedback on ways we can do it better, but to @Lokx 's point, folks would likely make new threads regardless haha.

In that case, can we get a response to one of the many outraged posts on the lack of serpent nerf?

I love serpent, have him R3 but this is a bit of a joke and more than anything shows the players that all the rebalance program is for is attacker nerfs... pretty sure the ONLY rebalance we've seen make a difference was Sandman go from a formidable attacker to a dudd and yet all these emensely over powered defenders are being left to wreak Havoc? Just sounds like there's a motive behind these decisions, and it's not to benefit the players

They nerfed absorbing man as a defender, they also buffed shuri, attuma, mantis, gladiator, shocker, and in that time have us buffs like red guardian, like cage, mr sinister and superior iron man. Stop pretending like they aren't buffing champions

Shuri was already good, they made her rotation more sustainable, attuma isn't an offensive champ so don't see any difference, gladiator was given a better ramp none of these are major or have really affected anyone.

They're straight up refusing to do any real changes in the rebalances, KT himself said almost every champs released in 2024 needs an offensive buff and yet zilch Al the champs who need tuning down for defence haven't been touched and Kabam Miike himself said the rebalance program was introduced to prevent champs like Herc & Kitty being left as is and yet Serpent is exactly where they wanted him? It's a joke 😂

What's healthy for the game is listening to the player base, almost every content creator and high end player is saying serpent is over powered and if Kabam don't listen more people will stop playing

Sacrificing design goals to what people want all the time means the game dies either way. That's not healthy for the game.
They listen to Players, but that doesn't mean complying with exactly what people want all the time. Sometimes things are introduced that we just have to grow into.
The current balance program has never been used to make major changes to Champs. Minor tuning has always been what they've done with their checks and balances.
Miike isn't here to defend himself so I don't have anything to say about the Herc comment. I can say for certain he wanted Herc nerfed, and spoke on that many times.
No one said they're not listening, but that doesn't always mean they do whatever we want. Ultimately it's their call. If having someone like Serpent is the direction they want to go, then that's the final say.

GroundedWisdom

*Not that I'm saying people should stop expressing themselves. For the record, I'm not. Nor do I have any say as to whether or not they will revisit their decision. I'm simply pointing out that it's not an absolute injustice for people to have something to get used to that seems too much at first.