Why can Venompool Sp1 Remove Red Skull's Armor but Venom can't?

kenadroid

They're sp1s are both classified as Om Nom as the red text but why can't Venom's sp1 remove red skulls armor but Venompool can? Is there something I'm missing?

Shamir51

Because Venom’s sp1 nullifies buffs, which Red Skull is immune to. Venompool’s sp1 description does not say it nullifies hence why it works.

captain_rogers

No venom nullifies the buff while venompool just removes the buff. Rskull is nullify immune

Wolfman80

Venom's is defined as a nullify in game (it literally states this in the Sp1 description), to which Red Skull is immune. For some reason, Venompool's is not defined as a nullify, and so does work. Even though both show up as an Om Nom in the in fight text, the game treats them differently. There's no real logic behind it other than game balance or inconsistent coding. Just one of those things that just is.

kenadroid

But the red text says om nom on both venom and venompool. They should change venom's text then if it doesn't work similarly to om nom

Captainaiden

kenadroid said:

But the red text says om nom on both venom and venompool. They should change venom's text then if it doesn't work similarly to om nom

No there is no on nom on venom as you can see on my screenshot sp1, and you can test it by yourself

Even the description on the sp1 never mention on nom



Only sp1 venompool had mention on nom

Steam97

The reason is kabam decided to do it this way, we don't why they did this, probably to make venompool a better option than venom for certain matchups

Ayden_noah1

Captainaiden said:

kenadroid said:

But the red text says om nom on both venom and venompool. They should change venom's text then if it doesn't work similarly to om nom

No there is no on nom on venom as you can see on my screenshot sp1, and you can test it by yourself

Even the description on the sp1 never mention on nom



Only sp1 venompool had mention on nom

Just curious as to why there are 2 disagrees on this post when OP is stating the facts with proof. What is there to disagree. The disagree police must be out today.

JLordVileJ

Captainaiden said:

kenadroid said:

But the red text says om nom on both venom and venompool. They should change venom's text then if it doesn't work similarly to om nom

No there is no on nom on venom as you can see on my screenshot sp1, and you can test it by yourself

Even the description on the sp1 never mention on nom



Only sp1 venompool had mention on nom

Even though it doesn't say om nom there, when you nullify the buff it says om nom

Ayden_noah1

So it only says om nom if the buff can be nullify but Red Skull is nullify immune so it makes sense that Venom can't remove Red Skulls armour. Problme solved.

Ortoun

Aside for armor break and nullify/fateseal, I don't think they had any other way to remove buffs when they made venom. When they reworked venompool, they probably had different tools built into the code to make it so they could remove the buff without it counting as a nullify. Remember that armor break technically counts as a nullify in some contexts as well.

captain_rogers

Venompool was buffed in 2021 and venom in 2018. When venom was introduced nullify immunity isn't even a thing (Thing is the first nullify immune champ). One of the biggest venompool abilities is to remove armor buffs and regen. Some champs in 2021 , like angela and cw, were nullify immune, and gets a lot of armor up buff.

Some tech champs that followed up (OS, viv vision, rskull) were nullify immune as well. VP's deisgn intention is to counter these champs.

If I'm not wrong, buffed venom was the first champ to immune to power drain/burn effects. In 2018 that was the biggest threat by tech champs. So he had that immunity.

kenadroid

Captainaiden said:

kenadroid said:

But the red text says om nom on both venom and venompool. They should change venom's text then if it doesn't work similarly to om nom

No there is no on nom on venom as you can see on my screenshot sp1, and you can test it by yourself

Even the description on the sp1 never mention on nom



Only sp1 venompool had mention on nom

I tried venom on silver surfer's power cosmic, it says om nom

kenadroid

Ayden_noah1 said:

So it only says om nom if the buff can be nullify but Red Skull is nullify immune so it makes sense that Venom can't remove Red Skulls armour. Problme solved.

My point is, don't show om nom on venom if it doesn't work the same as venompool

kenadroid

For the doubters out there.

kenadroid

I used deathless king groot released in 2024 to make sure it is relevant.

captain_rogers

kenadroid said:

Ayden_noah1 said:

So it only says om nom if the buff can be nullify but Red Skull is nullify immune so it makes sense that Venom can't remove Red Skulls armour. Problme solved.

My point is, don't show om nom on venom if it doesn't work the same as venompool

Om nom is the name of effect, to display the symbiote nature of both champs.

Both onslaught and dani apply neuroshock passives, but only dani's neuroshocks prevent regen against skill champs, still they both have similar name.

kenadroid

captain_rogers said:

kenadroid said:

Ayden_noah1 said:

So it only says om nom if the buff can be nullify but Red Skull is nullify immune so it makes sense that Venom can't remove Red Skulls armour. Problme solved.

My point is, don't show om nom on venom if it doesn't work the same as venompool

Om nom is the name of effect, to display the symbiote nature of both champs.

Both onslaught and dani apply neuroshock passives, but only dani's neuroshocks prevent regen against skill champs, still they both have similar name.

Yeah but kabam could just call it nullify instead of om nom if it already has that behavior that exists instead of misleading

captain_rogers

kenadroid said:

captain_rogers said:

kenadroid said:

Ayden_noah1 said:

So it only says om nom if the buff can be nullify but Red Skull is nullify immune so it makes sense that Venom can't remove Red Skulls armour. Problme solved.

My point is, don't show om nom on venom if it doesn't work the same as venompool

Om nom is the name of effect, to display the symbiote nature of both champs.

Both onslaught and dani apply neuroshock passives, but only dani's neuroshocks prevent regen against skill champs, still they both have similar name.

Yeah but kabam could just call it nullify instead of om nom if it already has that behavior that exists instead of misleading

If they have to change, they have to change it for VP cuz venom got the name first.

kenadroid

captain_rogers said:

kenadroid said:

captain_rogers said:

kenadroid said:

Ayden_noah1 said:

So it only says om nom if the buff can be nullify but Red Skull is nullify immune so it makes sense that Venom can't remove Red Skulls armour. Problme solved.

My point is, don't show om nom on venom if it doesn't work the same as venompool

Om nom is the name of effect, to display the symbiote nature of both champs.

Both onslaught and dani apply neuroshock passives, but only dani's neuroshocks prevent regen against skill champs, still they both have similar name.

Yeah but kabam could just call it nullify instead of om nom if it already has that behavior that exists instead of misleading

If they have to change, they have to change it for VP cuz venom got the name first.

Vp will be "the better om nom" 😁

Pikolu

Steam97 said:

The reason is kabam decided to do it this way, we don't why they did this, probably to make venompool a better option than venom for certain matchups

Venom was buffed in 2018 while Venompool was buffed in 2021. In those 3 years, the game went through a lot of change in design and development of many things in the game. Because of that, they developed a way for venompool to nullify that would bypass nullify immunity.

The way to think about it is the nullify immunity is like a wall around a city. The wall prevents all nullifies from getting into the city. Then om Nom is basically a Trojan horse. It isn't a nullify and can get into the city. Once inside, the wall can't protect them, and then it can nullify. So basically, it is just a fancy nullify designed to ignore nullify immunes.

Venompool is also unique where he om noms 1 of each buff off of the opponent instead of just a single buff like Venom.

Average_Desi

Pikolu said:

Steam97 said:

The reason is kabam decided to do it this way, we don't why they did this, probably to make venompool a better option than venom for certain matchups

Venom was buffed in 2018 while Venompool was buffed in 2021. In those 3 years, the game went through a lot of change in design and development of many things in the game. Because of that, they developed a way for venompool to nullify that would bypass nullify immunity.

The way to think about it is the nullify immunity is like a wall around a city. The wall prevents all nullifies from getting into the city. Then om Nom is basically a Trojan horse. It isn't a nullify and can get into the city. Once inside, the wall can't protect them, and then it can nullify. So basically, it is just a fancy nullify designed to ignore nullify immunes.

Venompool is also unique where he om noms 1 of each buff off of the opponent instead of just a single buff like Venom.

I don't think calling it a "fancy nullify" is correct. Captain Marvel was in 2019 and she could also remove Armour Buffs. Remove is the technical name that the game uses for removing buffs or debuffs (or even passives in case of IMIW)without it being a nullify or purify.

Heck even She Hulk who was released in 2016 could remove Unstoppable buff from Thing who is nullify immune. It was never a question of whether they could ,but rather, if they wanted to

Bugmat78

Venompool bug fix incoming in 5..4...3...

Herbal_Taxman

Why does it happen

Because it happens

EdisonLaw

Bugmat78 said:

Venompool bug fix incoming in 5..4...3...

Then the community will demand compensation

Diegog2000

It's just game balance.

Venom heals from any buffs he steals, but doesn't work against nullify immunes.
Venompool can bypass nullify immunity, but only heals from stealing armor up buffs.

smdam38

Just here to say om nom because it’s fun to say.

Ashacekar

captain_rogers said:

No venom nullifies the buff while venompool just removes the buff. Rskull is nullify immune

So red skull doesn't have "removal" immunity but "nullify" immunity. They both sound the same though.

Average_Desi

Ashacekar said:

captain_rogers said:

No venom nullifies the buff while venompool just removes the buff. Rskull is nullify immune

So red skull doesn't have "removal" immunity but "nullify" immunity. They both sound the same though.

In effect the do the same thing. That doesn't mean they're same. Both bleed and rupture removes health. And in effect , the same thing. But immunity to one does not simply immunity to the other