Deep Dive: Scream

EdisonLaw

https://youtu.be/sGT1EqIgYOM?si=vKIE6rdf60gl3rZT

The latest Symbiote joins the contest. Thoughts?

captain_rogers

Looks very promising. Can be a great counter to meta tech defenders like red skull and FAM.Can cheese shuri for no reason lol.

A challenging defender but mystic champs can cheese her.

Also I'm happy she wouldn't counter nullify and other mystic Abilities.

On a sidenote, She synergize well with Venom relic. Looks like a Venom/Hulkling hybrid. Would have been nice if she got power drain immune but I'll take whatever we got.

Also animations is A tier.

_puy000_

I like how Kabam pretty much tells you to cheese shuri lol
I can’t wait for her to come out though, I love symboites and she seems pretty good.

ItsClobberinTime

Looks promising, I see multiple 67k bursts of damage from that sp2 but it's a r3 with class advantage so we'll see how much a r2 in regular scenarios actually deals. Could be another case of "champ was designed around r3s" once again since that's all they've been doing this year so far.

captain_rogers

_puy000_ said:

I like how Kabam pretty much tells you to cheese shuri lol
I can’t wait for her to come out though, I love symboites and she seems pretty good.

Idk why we got a shuri cheese at the first place, No one asked for it haha.

Btw she can also cheese negasonic in the same way, and can partially cheese onslaught too since some of his hits are non contact. She can also autoblock non contact specials. Nice utility ig.

EdisonLaw

captain_rogers said:

_puy000_ said:

I like how Kabam pretty much tells you to cheese shuri lol
I can’t wait for her to come out though, I love symboites and she seems pretty good.

Idk why we got a shuri cheese at the first place, No one asked for it haha.

Btw she can also cheese negasonic in the same way, and can partially cheese onslaught too since some of his hits are non contact. She can also autoblock non contact specials. Nice utility ig.

So basically any projectile specials? That’s gonna be a nice safety net

EdisonLaw

Also I noticed that she doesn’t have any immunities at all. No power drain, burn, lock immunities unlike Venom

ege999men

Note that the auto block is removed when the opponent is AFFLICTED WITH A STUN DEBUFF. so your stun immune nodes, stun immune champs and the ones that reduce stun ability accuracy (looking at you red skull) can all get cheesed the same way as shuri. Nodes like bullet time become a joke and AW stun immune node might need a small change

Squidopus

ege999men said:

Note that the auto block is removed when the opponent is AFFLICTED WITH A STUN DEBUFF. so your stun immune nodes, stun immune champs and the ones that reduce stun ability accuracy (looking at you red skull) can all get cheesed the same way as shuri. Nodes like bullet time become a joke and AW stun immune node might need a small change

Literally not true, her kit explicitly states that the trigger to remove her auto-block buff is just successfully auto-blocking a contact attack. Stun immune champs and such will still disable it after one trigger.

ege999men

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

Squidopus

ege999men said:

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

Huh interesting, didn’t watch DLL’s vid yet so I didn’t realize that there was a source stating as such. Wonder how late that change was made then, I don’t recall seeing any other champ breakdown from him with outdated information.

ege999men

Bro I'm actually quite mad about this, DLL's version looks so interesting and unique final version is just lame and incredibly niche smh

captain_rogers

ege999men said:

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

It's for good, such a autoblock would be too OP as she can also stack multiple bulwark buffs. AW bosses are stun immune and you don't want them to cheesed like this.

Awesomep12

EdisonLaw said:

https://youtu.be/sGT1EqIgYOM?si=vKIE6rdf60gl3rZT

The latest Symbiote joins the contest. Thoughts?

I'm so excited for her! I may save for the titan, and i will save a ton of 6* shards for her. This us the first time I will have ever done this. I'm hype af!!!

Darkraw346

EdisonLaw said:

Also I noticed that she doesn’t have any immunities at all. No power drain, burn, lock immunities unlike Venom

And the spider verse heroes evade counter associated with Symbiotes is locked behind sig? Such a weird choice

Awesomep12

ege999men said:

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

Can you explain what got changed? I don't understand

_puy000_

captain_rogers said:

_puy000_ said:

I like how Kabam pretty much tells you to cheese shuri lol
I can’t wait for her to come out though, I love symboites and she seems pretty good.

Idk why we got a shuri cheese at the first place, No one asked for it haha.

Btw she can also cheese negasonic in the same way, and can partially cheese onslaught too since some of his hits are non contact. She can also autoblock non contact specials. Nice utility ig.

Yeah, I have a feeling that’s the main reason she’ll be used.
She’s also got great burst damage, that 100k red skull was bursted down very quickly.

captain_rogers

Darkraw346 said:

EdisonLaw said:

Also I noticed that she doesn’t have any immunities at all. No power drain, burn, lock immunities unlike Venom

And the spider verse heroes evade counter associated with Symbiotes is locked behind sig? Such a weird choice

They may want her not to overlap with venom and venompool. She looks like silk, Very good unduped, but the utility on dupe is worth as well.

ItsClobberinTime

captain_rogers said:

ege999men said:

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

It's for good, such a autoblock would be too OP as she can also stack multiple bulwark buffs. AW bosses are stun immune and you don't want them to cheesed like this.

Actually that's exactly what we need after all the garbage we've received this year so far lol.

WednesdayLength

captain_rogers said:

_puy000_ said:

I like how Kabam pretty much tells you to cheese shuri lol
I can’t wait for her to come out though, I love symboites and she seems pretty good.

Idk why we got a shuri cheese at the first place, No one asked for it haha.

Btw she can also cheese negasonic in the same way, and can partially cheese onslaught too since some of his hits are non contact. She can also autoblock non contact specials. Nice utility ig.

Is it not only basic attacks that she can auto block?

WednesdayLength

EdisonLaw said:

captain_rogers said:

_puy000_ said:

I like how Kabam pretty much tells you to cheese shuri lol
I can’t wait for her to come out though, I love symboites and she seems pretty good.

Idk why we got a shuri cheese at the first place, No one asked for it haha.

Btw she can also cheese negasonic in the same way, and can partially cheese onslaught too since some of his hits are non contact. She can also autoblock non contact specials. Nice utility ig.

So basically any projectile specials? That’s gonna be a nice safety net

Only basic attacks

EdisonLaw

Darkraw346 said:

EdisonLaw said:

Also I noticed that she doesn’t have any immunities at all. No power drain, burn, lock immunities unlike Venom

And the spider verse heroes evade counter associated with Symbiotes is locked behind sig? Such a weird choice

I think it’s because she isn’t directly meant to counter those champions

EdisonLaw

ItsClobberinTime said:

Looks promising, I see multiple 67k bursts of damage from that sp2 but it's a r3 with class advantage so we'll see how much a r2 in regular scenarios actually deals. Could be another case of "champ was designed around r3s" once again since that's all they've been doing this year so far.

She actually looks like (almost) the perfect Red Skull counter. Armor breaks, undermine, etc.

Squidopus

Awesomep12 said:

ege999men said:

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

Can you explain what got changed? I don't understand

The given screenshot from DLL’s vid states her auto-block buff is only removed early if she triggers a stun, whereas the champion spotlight on the MCOC website states it is removed when she successfully auto-blocks a contact attack. The former wording would let you do the Shuri cheese you see in the champion deep dive vid against ANY champ that could prevent the parry stun, including stun immunity and stun AAR. The latter limits it to, well, non-contact basics like Shuri and NTW.

ege999men

Talking about red skull counter, notice how we have 1 big bad defender from every class

Skill bullseye
Science photon
Mystic amoral
Cosmic serpent
Tech red skull
Mutant onslaught

Out of these I personally find red skull to be the easiest ngl

EdisonLaw

Squidopus said:

Awesomep12 said:

ege999men said:

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

Can you explain what got changed? I don't understand

The given screenshot from DLL’s vid states her auto-block buff is only removed early if she triggers a stun, whereas the champion spotlight on the MCOC website states it is removed when she successfully auto-blocks a contact attack. The former wording would let you do the Shuri cheese you see in the champion deep dive vid against ANY champ that could prevent the parry stun, including stun immunity and stun AAR. The latter limits it to, well, non-contact basics like Shuri and NTW.

So can you still cheese Shuri?

EdisonLaw

ege999men said:

Talking about red skull counter, notice how we have 1 big bad defender from every class

Skill bullseye
Science photon
Mystic amoral
Cosmic serpent
Tech red skull
Mutant onslaught

Out of these I personally find red skull to be the easiest ngl

For me the easiest is Onslaught, as long as you evade his SP1 and don't use a metal champ, you're fine. AI however makes him harder

captain_rogers

ege999men said:

Talking about red skull counter, notice how we have 1 big bad defender from every class

Skill bullseye
Science photon
Mystic amoral
Cosmic serpent
Tech red skull
Mutant onslaught

Out of these I personally find red skull to be the easiest ngl

I find FAM more tough than redskull. Redskull has a lot of counters (true strike, true damage and armor break champs), FAM needs to be nuked quick or need a pierce champ.

Awesomep12

Squidopus said:

Awesomep12 said:

ege999men said:

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

Can you explain what got changed? I don't understand

The given screenshot from DLL’s vid states her auto-block buff is only removed early if she triggers a stun, whereas the champion spotlight on the MCOC website states it is removed when she successfully auto-blocks a contact attack. The former wording would let you do the Shuri cheese you see in the champion deep dive vid against ANY champ that could prevent the parry stun, including stun immunity and stun AAR. The latter limits it to, well, non-contact basics like Shuri and NTW.

Thanks

Awesomep12

EdisonLaw said:

Squidopus said:

Awesomep12 said:

ege999men said:

Ah yeah my bad I guess they changed it last min and DLL already made the vid with the old kit

Can you explain what got changed? I don't understand

The given screenshot from DLL’s vid states her auto-block buff is only removed early if she triggers a stun, whereas the champion spotlight on the MCOC website states it is removed when she successfully auto-blocks a contact attack. The former wording would let you do the Shuri cheese you see in the champion deep dive vid against ANY champ that could prevent the parry stun, including stun immunity and stun AAR. The latter limits it to, well, non-contact basics like Shuri and NTW.

So can you still cheese Shuri?

Yep

ItsClobberinTime

EdisonLaw said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

Looks promising, I see multiple 67k bursts of damage from that sp2 but it's a r3 with class advantage so we'll see how much a r2 in regular scenarios actually deals. Could be another case of "champ was designed around r3s" once again since that's all they've been doing this year so far.

She actually looks like (almost) the perfect Red Skull counter. Armor breaks, undermine, etc.

Pretty much yeah, main reason (besides the damage) I say this one looks promising but we could end up with another Patriot so I'm keeping my expectations low still.