Should Negasonic Teenage Warhead have gotten a tune up?

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/379101/balance-update-negasonic-teenage-warhead-and-silver-sable#latest

So if you didn't know, the balance update just got announced earlier and Silver Sable is getting rebalanced. Yay.
But Negasonic won't be getting changed. How do you feel? Do you think she needed a tune up? Why or why not?

Comments

Friendly001

She’s good enough as is.

Drago_von_Drago

I don’t have her and the only place I see people use her is against my Attuma in BG. I don’t know how she is or where she’ll land in the long run.

PantherusNZ

Not every champ needs to be a massive nuke. She's got huge utility and I feel the community still hasn't got the best use out of her yet.

Polygon

Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials

EdisonLaw

Not every champ needs to be a massive nuke. She's got huge utility and I feel the community still hasn't got the best use out of her yet.

Yes after pulling her myself I think she is in a good spot.

But a tune up would have been nice though

NONYABIZZ

Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials

Where did you get the dazzler recoil info from??

EdisonLaw

Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials
Where did you get the dazzler recoil info from??

Yeah where is that from? New York Comic con?

NONYABIZZ

Also negasonics BIGGEST drawback is actually bullseye. Being advertised as a bullseye counter stopped her from receiving any sort of damage buff. She literally cannot take out ANY CHAMPION from any other class in respectable time because her damage is so low.
If she had good damage then they'd have a peni v hulkling situation all again as she that good damage would also translate into her bullseye matches and she wouldn't break a sweat against him which is what they're so hard trying to avoid.

Her damage is PATHETIC and that will not be changing unfortunately BECAUSE bullseye exists and is a top 3 defender and that is what she was made for. If she was made as a skill counter in general and had that kind of pathetic damage then I'd see the rebalance outcome changing. I wished she wasn't directly made for bullseye because now she's literally trapped in his shadow.

EdisonLaw

Also negasonics BIGGEST drawback is actually bullseye. Being advertised as a bullseye counter stopped her from receiving any sort of damage buff. She literally cannot take out ANY CHAMPION from any other class in respectable time because her damage is so low. If she had good damage then they'd have a peni v hulkling situation all again which they're so hard trying to avoid.

Her damage is PATHETIC and that will not be changing unfortunately BECAUSE bullseye exists and is a top 3 defender and that is what she was made for. If she was made as a skill counter in general and had that kind of pathetic damage then I'd see the rebalance outcome changing. I wished she wasn't directly made for bullseye because now she's literally trapped in his shadow.

aka Mutant IDoom lol

NONYABIZZ

Also negasonics BIGGEST drawback is actually bullseye. Being advertised as a bullseye counter stopped her from receiving any sort of damage buff. She literally cannot take out ANY CHAMPION from any other class in respectable time because her damage is so low. If she had good damage then they'd have a peni v hulkling situation all again which they're so hard trying to avoid.

Her damage is PATHETIC and that will not be changing unfortunately BECAUSE bullseye exists and is a top 3 defender and that is what she was made for. If she was made as a skill counter in general and had that kind of pathetic damage then I'd see the rebalance outcome changing. I wished she wasn't directly made for bullseye because now she's literally trapped in his shadow.
aka Mutant IDoom lol

Low-key mutant human torch without the good damage against the class she has advantage against

BlackTuran

All I will say about this matter is that some of you need to understand that battlegrounds isn’t the only mode in the game. Not every champion will be good for it. She is incredible everywhere else and when needed, she’s passable in bg

Herbal_Taxman

It would be great if she were faster in BG, but as others (at least one other) said, not every champ has to be BG-focused. In NTW’s case, the uniqueness and utility of her kit is valuable enough for me to accept lower damage.

My main critique of the 2024 champs is, where do you use them? Where is Spider Punk or Arcade or Northstar better than other options already in your roster? NTW passes this test for me. She’s a niche champ, but what she does is one of a kind and really effective in the right matchup where you need to counter a nasty skill defender — or you just need to deal with a node that wiping off normal debuffs every time you knock the opponent down, etc.

EdisonLaw

Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials

Yeah I think they should have increased the duration of the incinerates. But that’s more of a general AI problem

Nemesis_17

She just needed a small damage tune up. Nothing substantial, but just a little something. From the gameplay I’ve seen she can only do bg fights in sp2 sp1 sp1 if at equal ranks or below or with class advantage. If no class advantage she needs another sp1, same with if punching up a rank. Having to fill a whole extra bar of power to end a fight is very time consuming, and makes fights that would be 60-65s take 70-75.

Her damage is supposed to be a 3.5/5 and I feel she falls just slightly short. Compare her to someone like Cheeilth who also has 3.5/5 and you’ll see the difference.

It sucks because I think like ironheart she’s one step away from being a very strong champ, but instead she just kinda ends up in B tier.

FrostGiantLord

Negasonic was never meant to be a really strong champion. She was always just meant to be a good Bullseye counter with minimal damage and utility. She doesn't do her job very well, but IMO she doesn't really need a tune-up. She's fine as she is.

Nemesis_17

Negasonic was never meant to be a really strong champion. She was always just meant to be a good Bullseye counter with minimal damage and utility. She doesn't do her job very well, but IMO she doesn't really need a tune-up. She's fine as she is.

Soooo it’s ok for negasonic to be underpowered because she was designed to be? That’s that same logic some people used to justify serpent, by saying “yea he’s beyond broken op but that’s the point.” That’s essentially just saying some champs are designed to be bad for the game, which is kinda strange.

And wait if she doesn’t do her job very well, and doing her job is the design goal for her, then doesn’t that mean she’s needs a tune up?

BigBlueOx

If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?

Nemesis_17

If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?

I think the answer to that is just that they all deserve something minor lol

shield311

All I will say about this matter is that some of you need to understand that battlegrounds isn’t the only mode in the game. Not every champion will be good for it. She is incredible everywhere else and when needed, she’s passable in bg

Where else are you gonna fight a bullseye lol, her main matchup, its only aw and bgs and no one is gonna bring negasonic to aw there's way better options

BigBlueOx

If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?
I think the answer to that is just that they all deserve something minor lol

I completely agree…. but I’ve been converted to a bitter believer in middome. Make them all mid! They should nerf any 2024 champ that’s popular! Midness for all!

EdisonLaw

All I will say about this matter is that some of you need to understand that battlegrounds isn’t the only mode in the game. Not every champion will be good for it. She is incredible everywhere else and when needed, she’s passable in bg
Where else are you gonna fight a bullseye lol, her main matchup, its only aw and bgs and no one is gonna bring negasonic to aw there's way better options

Plus stun immunity nodes in AW

EdisonLaw

If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?
I think the answer to that is just that they all deserve something minor lol
I complete agree but I’ve been converted to a bitter believer in middome. Make them all mid! They should nerf any 2024 champ that’s popular! Midness for all!

Marvel Contest of Mids?

Nemesis_17

If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?
I think the answer to that is just that they all deserve something minor lol
I complete agree but I’ve been converted to a bitter believer in middome. Make them all mid! They should nerf any 2024 champ that’s popular! Midness for all!

Lol I can’t exactly blame you for that

captain_rogers

Well it looks like they don't want nega as a bg champ.

No one can deny she is one of the best champs to take out skill defenders outside bgs. A little damage bump would be nice but provided how she can shut down the entire class they might be afraid of another nimrod situation.

EdisonLaw

Well it looks like they don't want nega as a bg champ.

No one can deny she is one of the best champs to take out skill defenders outside bgs. A little damage bump would be nice but provided how she can shut down the entire class they might be afraid of another nimrod situation.

Well except for Bullseye. This is actually kinda true since after Nimrod was released, Kabam stopped releasing mutants for over a year because Nimrod would crush them. That's why we got newer mutants like Onslaught and Dust to end Nimrod's reign of terror over the mutant class.

BigBlueOx

If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?
I think the answer to that is just that they all deserve something minor lol
I complete agree but I’ve been converted to a bitter believer in middome. Make them all mid! They should nerf any 2024 champ that’s popular! Midness for all!
Lol I can’t exactly blame you for that

If everyone is mid then no one is exceptional… except Serpent he’s an exceptional bag of douches with a creepy Yosemite Sam Stache

ThePredator1001

I think her damage and utility are good, I’m just frustrated with her lack of immunities, she’s not bleed immune, it’s only against skill champs so she can take bullseye. She’s a walking ball of energy but she’s not immune to any energy dot and has 0 energy resistance. It limits some of the fights she can take.

EdisonLaw

I think her damage and utility are good, I’m just frustrated with her lack of immunities, she’s not bleed immune, it’s only against skill champs so she can take bullseye. She’s a walking ball of energy but she’s not immune to any energy dot and has 0 energy resistance. It limits some of the fights she can take.

Why isn't Dormammu immune to incinerate? Why isn't Onslaught immune to reverse controls?

EdisonLaw

Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials

How does Dazzler counter recoil damage? Do we know her kit already?

captain_rogers

People don't realise how OP nega is, I understand why they didn't give her damage tune up.

She is the first champ in the entire game who doesn't apply a single debuff, including parry stuns, on her own (No need of wags pre fights). She reduces bleed ability accuracy of skill champs by 100%. No skill champ can purify or cleanse her passive effects, Even in future they can't design a skill champ like that. Unlike the case of nimrod, where punishing shocks are enough to shut him down.

If they wanna punish negasonic they have to give new skill defenders incenerate immunity, which wouldn't make sense at all. No amount of combat training can give you resistance to fire, right?.

Basically she has a lot of potential, and kabam might be afraid of buffing her which may make her too OP.