Should Negasonic Teenage Warhead have gotten a tune up?

EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/379101/balance-update-negasonic-teenage-warhead-and-silver-sable#latest

So if you didn't know, the balance update just got announced earlier and Silver Sable is getting rebalanced. Yay.
But Negasonic won't be getting changed. How do you feel? Do you think she needed a tune up? Why or why not?

Should Negasonic Teenage Warhead have gotten a tune up? 138 votes

Yes
52%
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No
39%
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Unsure
8%
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  • Friendly001Friendly001 Member Posts: 446 ★★★
    No
    She’s good enough as is.
  • Drago_von_DragoDrago_von_Drago Member Posts: 957 ★★★★
    Unsure
    I don’t have her and the only place I see people use her is against my Attuma in BG. I don’t know how she is or where she’ll land in the long run.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    edited October 17
    No

    Not every champ needs to be a massive nuke. She's got huge utility and I feel the community still hasn't got the best use out of her yet.

    Yes after pulling her myself I think she is in a good spot.


    But a tune up would have been nice though
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 650 ★★★
    Yes
    Polygon said:

    Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

    In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

    Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials

    Where did you get the dazzler recoil info from??
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    No
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Polygon said:

    Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

    In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

    Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials

    Where did you get the dazzler recoil info from??
    Yeah where is that from? New York Comic con?
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    No
    NONYABIZZ said:

    Also negasonics BIGGEST drawback is actually bullseye. Being advertised as a bullseye counter stopped her from receiving any sort of damage buff. She literally cannot take out ANY CHAMPION from any other class in respectable time because her damage is so low. If she had good damage then they'd have a peni v hulkling situation all again which they're so hard trying to avoid.

    Her damage is PATHETIC and that will not be changing unfortunately BECAUSE bullseye exists and is a top 3 defender and that is what she was made for. If she was made as a skill counter in general and had that kind of pathetic damage then I'd see the rebalance outcome changing. I wished she wasn't directly made for bullseye because now she's literally trapped in his shadow.

    aka Mutant IDoom lol
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 650 ★★★
    Yes
    EdisonLaw said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    Also negasonics BIGGEST drawback is actually bullseye. Being advertised as a bullseye counter stopped her from receiving any sort of damage buff. She literally cannot take out ANY CHAMPION from any other class in respectable time because her damage is so low. If she had good damage then they'd have a peni v hulkling situation all again which they're so hard trying to avoid.

    Her damage is PATHETIC and that will not be changing unfortunately BECAUSE bullseye exists and is a top 3 defender and that is what she was made for. If she was made as a skill counter in general and had that kind of pathetic damage then I'd see the rebalance outcome changing. I wished she wasn't directly made for bullseye because now she's literally trapped in his shadow.

    aka Mutant IDoom lol
    Low-key mutant human torch without the good damage against the class she has advantage against
  • BlackTuranBlackTuran Member Posts: 1,023 ★★★★
    No
    All I will say about this matter is that some of you need to understand that battlegrounds isn’t the only mode in the game. Not every champion will be good for it. She is incredible everywhere else and when needed, she’s passable in bg
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    No
    Polygon said:

    Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

    In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

    Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials

    Yeah I think they should have increased the duration of the incinerates. But that’s more of a general AI problem
  • FrostGiantLordFrostGiantLord Member Posts: 2,097 ★★★★
    No
    Negasonic was never meant to be a really strong champion. She was always just meant to be a good Bullseye counter with minimal damage and utility. She doesn't do her job very well, but IMO she doesn't really need a tune-up. She's fine as she is.
  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,457 ★★★★★
    Yes

    Negasonic was never meant to be a really strong champion. She was always just meant to be a good Bullseye counter with minimal damage and utility. She doesn't do her job very well, but IMO she doesn't really need a tune-up. She's fine as she is.

    Soooo it’s ok for negasonic to be underpowered because she was designed to be? That’s that same logic some people used to justify serpent, by saying “yea he’s beyond broken op but that’s the point.” That’s essentially just saying some champs are designed to be bad for the game, which is kinda strange.

    And wait if she doesn’t do her job very well, and doing her job is the design goal for her, then doesn’t that mean she’s needs a tune up?
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    No
    shield311 said:

    All I will say about this matter is that some of you need to understand that battlegrounds isn’t the only mode in the game. Not every champion will be good for it. She is incredible everywhere else and when needed, she’s passable in bg

    Where else are you gonna fight a bullseye lol, her main matchup, its only aw and bgs and no one is gonna bring negasonic to aw there's way better options
    Plus stun immunity nodes in AW
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    No
    BigBlueOx said:

    BigBlueOx said:

    If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?

    I think the answer to that is just that they all deserve something minor lol
    I complete agree but I’ve been converted to a bitter believer in middome. Make them all mid! They should nerf any 2024 champ that’s popular! Midness for all!
    Marvel Contest of Mids?
  • Nemesis_17Nemesis_17 Member Posts: 2,457 ★★★★★
    Yes
    BigBlueOx said:

    BigBlueOx said:

    If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?

    I think the answer to that is just that they all deserve something minor lol
    I complete agree but I’ve been converted to a bitter believer in middome. Make them all mid! They should nerf any 2024 champ that’s popular! Midness for all!
    Lol I can’t exactly blame you for that
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,887 ★★★★★
    Yes
    Well it looks like they don't want nega as a bg champ.

    No one can deny she is one of the best champs to take out skill defenders outside bgs. A little damage bump would be nice but provided how she can shut down the entire class they might be afraid of another nimrod situation.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    edited October 18
    No

    Well it looks like they don't want nega as a bg champ.

    No one can deny she is one of the best champs to take out skill defenders outside bgs. A little damage bump would be nice but provided how she can shut down the entire class they might be afraid of another nimrod situation.

    Well except for Bullseye. This is actually kinda true since after Nimrod was released, Kabam stopped releasing mutants for over a year because Nimrod would crush them. That's why we got newer mutants like Onslaught and Dust to end Nimrod's reign of terror over the mutant class.
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,421 ★★★★★
    No

    BigBlueOx said:

    BigBlueOx said:

    If Destroyer and Ironheart didn’t get a minor tweak to be more usable why should Nega deserve anything?

    I think the answer to that is just that they all deserve something minor lol
    I complete agree but I’ve been converted to a bitter believer in middome. Make them all mid! They should nerf any 2024 champ that’s popular! Midness for all!
    Lol I can’t exactly blame you for that
    If everyone is mid then no one is exceptional… except Serpent he’s an exceptional bag of douches with a creepy Yosemite Sam Stache
  • ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Member Posts: 924 ★★★★
    Yes
    I think her damage and utility are good, I’m just frustrated with her lack of immunities, she’s not bleed immune, it’s only against skill champs so she can take bullseye. She’s a walking ball of energy but she’s not immune to any energy dot and has 0 energy resistance. It limits some of the fights she can take.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    No

    I think her damage and utility are good, I’m just frustrated with her lack of immunities, she’s not bleed immune, it’s only against skill champs so she can take bullseye. She’s a walking ball of energy but she’s not immune to any energy dot and has 0 energy resistance. It limits some of the fights she can take.

    Why isn't Dormammu immune to incinerate? Why isn't Onslaught immune to reverse controls?
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,917 ★★★★★
    No
    Polygon said:

    Crazy how people are voting no tbh.

    In every single match she does, i can use a non skill counter and do it faster. This isnt just with the nuke attackers either. Onslaught does what she does but with actual meaningful damage and is a defensive champ too, whereas she has very little defensive use if you know what youre doing. Theres also Dazzler that were now seeing is going to counter recoil like damage. As more and more mutants come out with countering the skill class in mind she'll be entirely flushed out. Kind of like how they keep releasing or buffing cosmic champs that counter Red Skull on defense.

    Nobody was really asking for a crazy numbers buff either, jusf a small tune up in damage or some other minor tune up in the flow of her kit in regards to sustaining the incinerates. As it is right now, ive had fights where i lose the incinerates because the AI refuses to throw specials

    How does Dazzler counter recoil damage? Do we know her kit already?
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,887 ★★★★★
    Yes
    People don't realise how OP nega is, I understand why they didn't give her damage tune up.

    She is the first champ in the entire game who doesn't apply a single debuff, including parry stuns, on her own (No need of wags pre fights). She reduces bleed ability accuracy of skill champs by 100%. No skill champ can purify or cleanse her passive effects, Even in future they can't design a skill champ like that. Unlike the case of nimrod, where punishing shocks are enough to shut him down.

    If they wanna punish negasonic they have to give new skill defenders incenerate immunity, which wouldn't make sense at all. No amount of combat training can give you resistance to fire, right?.

    Basically she has a lot of potential, and kabam might be afraid of buffing her which may make her too OP.
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