Season 53 "canceled" war, does not fix the problem

This is going to be a bit of a long post, I want to outline why "canceling" a war and removing the points at the end of the season does not fix the problem for some alliances, mine included. Now this does not affect the majority of alliances, it only affects us who are on the brink of a tier rating. I'm sure this topic has already was already posted about when the "canceled" war happened. So if you've read a similar post, feel free to skip this one.

My alliance had just entered tier 2 the war before the "canceled" one, halfway thru the canceled one we saw the post of it being canceled and decided not to use items(big mistake) we weren't sure if war rating would be affected still(it was).

Now the problem with war rating being affected is that it has a snowball effect on alliances such as my own. (We lost) the canceled war, which put us back down to a tier 3 multiplier, we proceeded to win the tier 3 war but as most of you know, a t3 win is a t2 loss. So what should have been 1.55m points, was now 1.3m points. Following the win we lost in t2 again, back to t3, won so back to tier 2. The problem is, if war rating had not been affected on the "canceled" war these would have all been t2 wars. This cost us around 450k total score.

We no longer can make p2 because of this, not factoring in them removing the points for the canceled war, we should have 11.55m points. (450k lost because of war rating being affected) and rank 1 t3 has 11.8m. We would still have a good shot at p2 placement without this war rating problem. Not to mention, with the points removed end season, rank 1 would be essentially 200k less than where they are at, where as taking our lost war points away would bring our average up.

Last time this problem arose, kabam gave everyone who participated in AW, one tier up rewards. I'm humbly asking the same be done here please.

TLDR: War rating being affected on the "canceled" war genuily cost us p2(or a reasonable chance at p2) this season. (Please read whole article if you want to understand)

Thank you for your time.
-Meat

Comments

Friendly001

Why doesn’t cancelled war fix my lag too.

BringPopcorn

What lag? 60 fps babyyy

pseudosane

Unfortunately, this season has been compromised. Between dirty tricks from master alliances, to standings and rating and tier changes due to the cancelled war, this season has been pretty awful .Kabam is definitely aware of it.

danielmath

Ya it’s pretty ridiculous they can’t lock war rating and cancel the points immediately

N8buckeye08

Hadn’t really thought about it as we are gold alliance and marginal season rewards aren’t significant enough to care. I wonder if they just bump everybody’s rewards up one level like they did several seasons ago

Iammeat5

Completely agree, we were under the impression that war rating would not be affected because they had encountered this problem last time they canceled a war mid season. Figured they would have come up with a solution for this time.

DudeMaGude

I still don't understand why there was no in-game message about that war. My entire alliance played it as though it counted, and why wouldn't they without communication from Kabam. Wild.

DarthMystic

Still no in game message. Plenty of alliances don't frequent the forums and gonna have a surprise at the end of season when their war scores change.

Iammeat5

Completely agree as well, another problem is that they didn't make it known to the majority of the mcoc community. Like the guy below said, not many people frequent the forums where we got notified. Should have been an in game message.

Mrmr13

It's odd how quiet kabam has been on this since the announcement of the cancelled war

BloodyCruelty

There are many posts related to this. Kabam is aware of this. Don't waste your time nothing is gonna happen. It is more likely that some people will trash talk you here soon. Just eat it and move on.

Iammeat5

Yeah I mean I suppose you're unaware of what they did last time this happened. It's mentioned in my post. The point of making this post is to make bring continuous attention to the issue. The more people who bring it up, the more likely kabam will do something about it. 🫡

BloodyCruelty

Good luck

Iammeat5

Appreciate the bumps though 🫡

Iammeat5

After looking you up, I see why you're sour towards this topic. Being your post didn't gain the traction and attention you'd hoped. The reason it did not was because you didn't see the real problem that arose, which is what I've outlined in this post. My alliance is one of the few directly affected by this, another reason I waited a few days after the war to make this post; To provide screenshots of the impact.

Although your post didn't gain the desired attention, doesn't mean you should stop pushing the issue. Feel free to jump on this bandwagon and hope a staff member from kabam is able to read it and fix it for us all.

BloodyCruelty

I adressed another issue that came with cancelled war. Every alliance is affected by this. There is not only one issue. I just said that Kabam won't take action. The case is closed for them although you adressed another issue. So I gave up.

Iammeat5

I understand, supporting this thread will help you achieve the goal you were trying to reach with your thread though. The more positive feedback, the more likely we will recieve a response from kabam.

The last time a war was canceled mid season, every alliance that participated was given one tier up season rewards. I'm hoping for the same result.

BloodyCruelty

My issue wont be fixed but yeah hopefully you get your higher +1 rewards

Iammeat5

I did read your thread, masters alliances are not facing plat 4 alliances because they threw their war, who you match with is based on war rating.

While masters alliances who threw dropped down and faced slightly lesser opponents than they would, it doesn't affect as large a player base as you think.

The major standing issue is towards alliances on the cusp of tiers. Where a lost war would drop them to a lower multiplier, making them suffer from a war that should have had no impact on the season.

It creates a snowball effect for the aforementioned alliances, feel free to read my post and view the screenshots, the canceled war still affecting war rating directly affected my alliances placement or reasonable chance for placement.

While you may have gone up against a tougher alliance the following war due to them throwing, 1 tier up rewards will in the end benefit everyone and solve the issue at hand(war ratings being affected by the canceled war) - this is the true problem that arose and one you were addressing in your thread whether intentionally or unintentionally.

BloodyCruelty

No on Tier 1 matchmaking is not based on war rating but on leaderboard. There is no point in arguing against me. One look into the leaderboard and matchups is enough. Alliances that intentionally didn't play 4th war dropped down into platinum 1 Tier 1 and farmed weaker Platinum 1 Alliances to get a better ranking in masters at the end of the season because masters and platinum 1 tier is the same but the skill gap is high. This issue is real but of course it only affects top alliances and alliances that get destroyed by those.

The other side of the medal is the issue that is adressed in this post. Alliances that dropped a tier at that time have a huge disadvabtage. Your alliance dropped a tier because your war rating got affected and dropped under the Tier 2 war rating. I understand your problem and hope that you will get higher rewards. But please stop talking nonsense about the issue I adressed. Thank you

BloodyCruelty

Yes you are right the major issue is the one that you adressed. My issue only affects masters and P1/2 alliances. But this diesnt change the fact that you faced your opponents because of leader board and not because of matchmaking. You as a Tier 3 alliance can also match a Tier 2 alliance.

Iammeat5

Tier 1 wars are based on war rating and leaderboard standing. I.e. the problem you are trying to address and not receiving the feedback you expected is due to the fact that masters alliances are NOT facing low tier 1 alliances.

Example: WR 4000 in Platinum 1 cannot face WR 3700 platinum 1. Unless there is no one between that gap that they have not already faced. Which is not the case.

Does the topic you brought up give masters alliances a slight advantage? Potentially, what really happens is that they're just matching with the other ones who did the same because they will be closer in WR and standing.

So no masters who threw war 4 are not facing like rank 50 p1 alliances.

Iammeat5

Someone already explained this to you though. Probably multiple people.

Iammeat5

Not to mentioned you've been told multiple times that the 1 tier up rewards are the appropriate solution, as they were before.

Amms90

Someone should explain to you how matchmaking works because apparently you fail to grasp that concept. Leaderboard and current standings are taken into account before war rating. In fact if I'm second place and have 3700 war rating and an alliance below me is 3900 war rating I'm the one matching the alliance in first place because I'm closer in the leaderboard despite not being the closest in war rating.

What war 4 means to the matchmaking system is very simple: an alliance with 3800 war rating is not where it belongs because they are missing 1,6-1,9 million points or a number similar to this, so their position on the leaderboard is far below where they should be. The matchmaking system doesn't care if they win every war and have a similar win/loss rate to the first alliance in the world with a similar aw rating and same tier. Let me put this in perspective: I know Nefti are 9-0 so far alright? I don't know if Chaos are 9-0 or 8-1 I don't know that for sure. What I know for sure is that if chaos were 8-1 or even 7-2 right now they would face Nefti if they were close in the leaderboard (i.e. second/third place if you deduct points from war 4). BUT this is not happening because chaos are so far behind nefti in the leaderboard that the calculator can't match them despite being in same tier and having similar win/loss rate. So what happens is Nefti keeps facing the alliances who climb to the top 2-3-4-5 position in the world while chaos keeps matching alliances that are in spot 25-50 because this is their current leaderboard position.

Let's bring this to the extreme and talk about a worst case scenario that I hope won't happen:

best alliance in the world right now Nefti wins 11 wars (including war 4) and loses 1, all matching the strongest alliances who climbed to the top.

An alliance who didn't play war 4 is missing 1,5 million points from war 4 but they win all 11 other wars, facing low and mid tier 1 alliances.

At the end of the season kabam deducts the points from war 4 and the alliance with 11 easy wins wins the season because they go 11-0 while Nefti goes second place because they are 10-1. Is that fair?

This is meant to be an exaggeration and it won't be the case but this is to make the situation clear to those who seemingly fail to grasp the concepts even when they're explained to them. Missing 1,5 million points is a lot. A difference from a win and a loss in tier 1 is like 300k points. That means it's like you have 5 losses so you match alliances with 5 or more losses when in the truth you are winning them all. I don't know how else to explain the concept. If you win them all you should face other alliances who win them all. Not face alliances who lose them all and have it easy against them

BloodyCruelty

Bro. I have been playing on high tier AW for a long time. You clearly don't understand how matchmaking works. There is no point in arguing about that. Everybody knows how it works beside you and some other low tier players. The people who didn't agree also clearly didn't understand.

We all know each other and we can also see the matchups and the leaderboard so your statements are not true.
Leaderboard and Win loss rate always comes before rating. This is a fact that you can clearly see ingame.

Also it is very interesting that you think reaching Top 3 or Top 10 worldwide without playing against Top 3 or Top 10 alliances is a "slight advantage" while you can be ranked above those alliances.

I wont answer any further posts related to this discussion

BloodyCruelty

Kabam removed war rating focused matchmaking years ago to avoid matchmaking manipulation

HungaryHippo

Maybe you should ask people before you spew these lies. P2 alliances are fighting LOXC/TCN/SSX/4LOKI etc.

Ironcity

Agreed, losing our war rating and dropping a tier definitely hurt our point total for the season

jcphillips7

Yep. WICk, LOXC, and 4LOKI were our last 3 matches. Somehow we're still staying top 3 of P2, but idk wtf is going on lol