Battlegrounds fairness and ways to fix it

MelurauMelurau Member Posts: 7
in Strategy and Tips
Starting this thread might bring a lot of hate, but try to stay a bit rational and then tell me I'm wrong. We all know (and Kabam told us so as well) that fair matching is a difficult issue. A more appropriate matching would substantially increase the timing, and apparently nobody wants that. So it is how it is.
But what if you, being a Vaillant, a legend, a god, whatever you are, with incredible heroes with unseen ratings, encountering a poorly chosen account, with not even half your own value, would simply forfeit and let the poor wanderer to win for once? What would cost you, and what is the gain for a quick carnage, is this bringing you any satisfaction?
I am myself in the middle of nowhere, not too small, not big at all and I pursued as I could some fights with huge accounts, and the most of them ended as soon as they started. A couple of times it happened what I mentioned before, I got forfeited and it was cool.
Since the game mechanics are not perfect and we encounter much smaller accounts than ours, why don't we all do this?
Especially for the reason the game is not demoting you if you lose matches, as it should, keeping you at a more reasonable level, but it's keep pushing you up and up until you can't find anymore a proper contender and you just stay there as a boxing bag, losing for eternity.
Just my 2c.

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  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Member Posts: 1,960 ★★★★★
    Why is it "fair" for you to skip facing top accounts but not other players?
  • MelurauMelurau Member Posts: 7
    It's about fights you can't win. I rarely forfeit facing a top account (unless is a russian lol), but I only win if they let me to, the difference is too big. And I always do my best.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,640 ★★★★★
    Sigh
  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 5,421 ★★★★★
    edited December 3
    Matchmaking is fair. You compete against others in your same tier for the same rewards. That does not mean it is equal with facing similar or lower decks. It is not intended to be. This point is often misunderstood by those that come here to complain about BGs.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,105 ★★★★★
    Melurau said:

    Starting this thread might bring a lot of hate, but try to stay a bit rational and then tell me I'm wrong. We all know (and Kabam told us so as well) that fair matching is a difficult issue. A more appropriate matching would substantially increase the timing, and apparently nobody wants that. So it is how it is.
    But what if you, being a Vaillant, a legend, a god, whatever you are, with incredible heroes with unseen ratings, encountering a poorly chosen account, with not even half your own value, would simply forfeit and let the poor wanderer to win for once? What would cost you, and what is the gain for a quick carnage, is this bringing you any satisfaction?
    I am myself in the middle of nowhere, not too small, not big at all and I pursued as I could some fights with huge accounts, and the most of them ended as soon as they started. A couple of times it happened what I mentioned before, I got forfeited and it was cool.
    Since the game mechanics are not perfect and we encounter much smaller accounts than ours, why don't we all do this?
    Especially for the reason the game is not demoting you if you lose matches, as it should, keeping you at a more reasonable level, but it's keep pushing you up and up until you can't find anymore a proper contender and you just stay there as a boxing bag, losing for eternity.
    Just my 2c.

    BGs in VC is a lot like a league competition. Imagine you're a team in the NFL. Based off the standings currently for the 2024 league standing, should the Giants play the Eagles have to play on Jan 5th?


    So should the worst teams in the league get to stop playing the best in the league?
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,153 ★★★★★
    Is it fair that I had to rank a bunch of champs I'll never use elsewhere just to be competitive in bgs?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,362 ★★★★★
    phillgreen said:

    Is it fair that I had to rank a bunch of champs I'll never use elsewhere just to be competitive in bgs?

    Is this a real question?...
    Is it fair profesional athletes give up so much to be where they are?...
    Is it fair that "Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust." ??
  • MelurauMelurau Member Posts: 7
    MrSakuragi said:

    Matchmaking is fair. You compete against others in your same tier for the same rewards. That does not mean it is equal with facing similar or lower decks. It is not intended to be. This point is often misunderstood by those that come here to complain about BGs.

    This is your opinion, and mine is different, this is fair. But matching, my man, it is not.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 12,946 Guardian
    Unless you have already got your “complete 3 BG matches” objective, and are only needing to get the “win” objectives (and you don’t care one bit about the Ally/Solo Event Points), that should be the only time you should Forfeit a lopsided matchup.

    Otherwise, even with LOSING (completing a Loss, NOT forfeiting) you still earn Points for the Events. (and not a huge amount of a drop, it is 1/2 as much as if you were able to Win, so not bad).

    Those higher accounts are NOT gonna just waste points by Forfeiting to you.

    **However, if they are just running off some BG's not really caring if they win or lose, because they are watching TV or something, they may indeed just play them out, but blindly tap lights/mediums randomly, which “basically” can let you win a match as a lower player.
    (Yes, you have to play the match out, but some ppl will let you win)

    There are also times, when I go against a much stronger player, I will pick a normal matchup for 1st match (just to see if they are serious about the match). And if they win it, I just pop a very small defender for the 2nd fight, let them finish me off quickly, and we can both get onto another matchup faster (while still getting points).
  • MelurauMelurau Member Posts: 7
    Demonzfyre said:

    Melurau said:

    Starting this thread might bring a lot of hate, but try to stay a bit rational and then tell me I'm wrong. We all know (and Kabam told us so as well) that fair matching is a difficult issue. A more appropriate matching would substantially increase the timing, and apparently nobody wants that. So it is how it is.
    But what if you, being a Vaillant, a legend, a god, whatever you are, with incredible heroes with unseen ratings, encountering a poorly chosen account, with not even half your own value, would simply forfeit and let the poor wanderer to win for once? What would cost you, and what is the gain for a quick carnage, is this bringing you any satisfaction?
    I am myself in the middle of nowhere, not too small, not big at all and I pursued as I could some fights with huge accounts, and the most of them ended as soon as they started. A couple of times it happened what I mentioned before, I got forfeited and it was cool.
    Since the game mechanics are not perfect and we encounter much smaller accounts than ours, why don't we all do this?
    Especially for the reason the game is not demoting you if you lose matches, as it should, keeping you at a more reasonable level, but it's keep pushing you up and up until you can't find anymore a proper contender and you just stay there as a boxing bag, losing for eternity.
    Just my 2c.

    BGs in VC is a lot like a league competition. Imagine you're a team in the NFL. Based off the standings currently for the 2024 league standing, should the Giants play the Eagles have to play on Jan 5th?


    So should the worst teams in the league get to stop playing the best in the league?
    I see. Tell me, are there in NFL different leagues? As in soccer? I live in Europe, here when teams fall in the last 3, all 3 are replaced by top 3 from the 2nd league. This keeps a balance. BGs are not working this way. They are not letting you dive on if you fool cannot stand your ground. It keeps you there, sitting duck for the top players to mock you around 😁.
  • xLunatiXxxLunatiXx Member Posts: 1,428 ★★★★★
    Just like in life, nothing is being handed over for free. So get out there, keep fighting and one day you might reach what you want.
    Or you could beg for coins I suppose
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,362 ★★★★★
    Stop comparing it to American sports too, most of the sports in the rest of the world has something called Relegation... You do bad enough you lose your spot in the main league.... Which is probably most BG players talk about a "fairness", they really don't understand the consequences of losing too much.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,153 ★★★★★
    BringPopcorn said:

    phillgreen said:

    Is it fair that I had to rank a bunch of champs I'll never use elsewhere just to be competitive in bgs?

    Is this a real question?...
    Is it fair profesional athletes give up so much to be where they are?...
    Is it fair that "Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust." ??
    Point being, complaining about bgs and not doing what it takes to be competitive is silly. Instead of complaining, I ranked champs I don't use elsewhere to remove matchmaking as a factor.

    People talk about fair but I think they mean easy.




  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,362 ★★★★★
    phillgreen said:

    BringPopcorn said:

    phillgreen said:

    Is it fair that I had to rank a bunch of champs I'll never use elsewhere just to be competitive in bgs?

    Is this a real question?...
    Is it fair profesional athletes give up so much to be where they are?...
    Is it fair that "Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust." ??
    Point being, complaining about bgs and not doing what it takes to be competitive is silly. Instead of complaining, I ranked champs I don't use elsewhere to remove matchmaking as a factor.

    People talk about fair but I think they mean easy.




    Yeah you were being sarcastic then, I agree.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,105 ★★★★★
    Melurau said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Melurau said:

    Starting this thread might bring a lot of hate, but try to stay a bit rational and then tell me I'm wrong. We all know (and Kabam told us so as well) that fair matching is a difficult issue. A more appropriate matching would substantially increase the timing, and apparently nobody wants that. So it is how it is.
    But what if you, being a Vaillant, a legend, a god, whatever you are, with incredible heroes with unseen ratings, encountering a poorly chosen account, with not even half your own value, would simply forfeit and let the poor wanderer to win for once? What would cost you, and what is the gain for a quick carnage, is this bringing you any satisfaction?
    I am myself in the middle of nowhere, not too small, not big at all and I pursued as I could some fights with huge accounts, and the most of them ended as soon as they started. A couple of times it happened what I mentioned before, I got forfeited and it was cool.
    Since the game mechanics are not perfect and we encounter much smaller accounts than ours, why don't we all do this?
    Especially for the reason the game is not demoting you if you lose matches, as it should, keeping you at a more reasonable level, but it's keep pushing you up and up until you can't find anymore a proper contender and you just stay there as a boxing bag, losing for eternity.
    Just my 2c.

    BGs in VC is a lot like a league competition. Imagine you're a team in the NFL. Based off the standings currently for the 2024 league standing, should the Giants play the Eagles have to play on Jan 5th?


    So should the worst teams in the league get to stop playing the best in the league?
    I see. Tell me, are there in NFL different leagues? As in soccer? I live in Europe, here when teams fall in the last 3, all 3 are replaced by top 3 from the 2nd league. This keeps a balance. BGs are not working this way. They are not letting you dive on if you fool cannot stand your ground. It keeps you there, sitting duck for the top players to mock you around 😁.
    But when you're promoted to let's say the Premier League, are the exempt from playing against the top team of the league?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,362 ★★★★★
    Melurau said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Melurau said:

    Starting this thread might bring a lot of hate, but try to stay a bit rational and then tell me I'm wrong. We all know (and Kabam told us so as well) that fair matching is a difficult issue. A more appropriate matching would substantially increase the timing, and apparently nobody wants that. So it is how it is.
    But what if you, being a Vaillant, a legend, a god, whatever you are, with incredible heroes with unseen ratings, encountering a poorly chosen account, with not even half your own value, would simply forfeit and let the poor wanderer to win for once? What would cost you, and what is the gain for a quick carnage, is this bringing you any satisfaction?
    I am myself in the middle of nowhere, not too small, not big at all and I pursued as I could some fights with huge accounts, and the most of them ended as soon as they started. A couple of times it happened what I mentioned before, I got forfeited and it was cool.
    Since the game mechanics are not perfect and we encounter much smaller accounts than ours, why don't we all do this?
    Especially for the reason the game is not demoting you if you lose matches, as it should, keeping you at a more reasonable level, but it's keep pushing you up and up until you can't find anymore a proper contender and you just stay there as a boxing bag, losing for eternity.
    Just my 2c.

    BGs in VC is a lot like a league competition. Imagine you're a team in the NFL. Based off the standings currently for the 2024 league standing, should the Giants play the Eagles have to play on Jan 5th?


    So should the worst teams in the league get to stop playing the best in the league?
    I see. Tell me, are there in NFL different leagues? As in soccer? I live in Europe, here when teams fall in the last 3, all 3 are replaced by top 3 from the 2nd league. This keeps a balance. BGs are not working this way. They are not letting you dive on if you fool cannot stand your ground. It keeps you there, sitting duck for the top players to mock you around 😁.
    If this was balance chances are you would be Yo-yoing between tiers and probably give up...
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 710 ★★★
    Both are fighting for same rewards 🤷

    If u match smaller account 10 match so u should waste your elder marks(900) by giving free wins ??then need to play 10 more to climb up ?? Which considering u have unlimited time in a day to play BGs?

    It's hard but if u keep completing content & grind u will be able to reach a point(6months-12months) ,u will beat big account with unique def & attackers
  • MelurauMelurau Member Posts: 7
    Asher1_1 said:



    It's hard but if u keep completing content & grind u will be able to reach a point(6months-12months) ,u will beat big account with unique def & attackers

    This is what I did actually, rised certain champs and learned some useful tactics, so i climbed up to vibranium starting last season - and this one I hope to see what's beyond that. Fair point with the limited time we all have to play this game and keep a real life going (except maybe those doing it for a living), also fair the fact you still get some points by being defeated (honestly it was a revelation for me, had no idea you still get points by getting totally smashed), so it is time for me to go home since all of you are saying I'm drunk lol. Very educational tho 🙂‍↕️

  • willrun4adonutwillrun4adonut Member Posts: 4,719 ★★★★★
    Melurau said:

    Asher1_1 said:



    It's hard but if u keep completing content & grind u will be able to reach a point(6months-12months) ,u will beat big account with unique def & attackers

    so it is time for me to go home since all of you are saying I'm drunk lol.
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