CCP Beta Test Maps should be available for everyone.

As the title says, I think it should be available to everyone, and no changes should be made.

No nodes, you just test out your champs.
No rewards either, and the quest should not require energy to get through. Just an idea that I think a lot of people would want to see in the future or this year.

Comments

Nemesis_17

Nah
Because then they aren't "CCP" maps. They have access to them because they earned them. They test professionally. You want what they have, become a member. Also having such easy access to practice, it will trivialize content/defenders, which means the game team has to make Everest content even more difficult or add more nodes etc...

There's plenty of ways for the rest of us to test champs.
I can literally go to duel against any of these defenders using a weaker champ to try and simulate the healthpool of a bg match. The option to practice is already there, this would only make it more convenient, not open an entirely new door.

I also don’t think an opportunity for players to enhance their skills should ever be be seen as a negative.
But fear mongering an invalid point should make it valid.

How dare you use logic in this way?!?

Appeal to fear is a pretty common fallacy

Demonzfyre

Now you’re just making up ****.

There is absolutely no reason why someone with whatever number of followers should somehow get a huge advantage in this game.

Huge advantage? lolololol go back to working on your lawsuit. Don't you have cheaters to defend as well?

Demonzfyre

Nah
Because then they aren't "CCP" maps. They have access to them because they earned them. They test professionally. You want what they have, become a member. Also having such easy access to practice, it will trivialize content/defenders, which means the game team has to make Everest content even more difficult or add more nodes etc...

There's plenty of ways for the rest of us to test champs.
wdym adding public testing maps will give "such easy access to practice" and "trivialise content/defenders". why do we have this then if that were the case?:

We have that because you can only do it 5 times before it costs units to continue.

MrSakuragi

Nah
Because then they aren't "CCP" maps. They have access to them because they earned them. They test professionally. You want what they have, become a member. Also having such easy access to practice, it will trivialize content/defenders, which means the game team has to make Everest content even more difficult or add more nodes etc...

There's plenty of ways for the rest of us to test champs.
wdym adding public testing maps will give "such easy access to practice" and "trivialise content/defenders". why do we have this then if that were the case?:

We have that because you can only do it 5 times before it costs units to continue.

Practice is free and costs no units ever. You’re thinking of duels.

Demonzfyre

Nah
Because then they aren't "CCP" maps. They have access to them because they earned them. They test professionally. You want what they have, become a member. Also having such easy access to practice, it will trivialize content/defenders, which means the game team has to make Everest content even more difficult or add more nodes etc...

There's plenty of ways for the rest of us to test champs.
I can literally go to duel against any of these defenders using a weaker champ to try and simulate the healthpool of a bg match. The option to practice is already there, this would only make it more convenient, not open an entirely new door.

I also don’t think an opportunity for players to enhance their skills should ever be be seen as a negative.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be. I'm saying we shouldn't have access to the maps CCP has.

Y'all the same group who hates that TB gets Valiant rewards and now you want to take something that those members earned.

But duels exist for that reason, for you to practice. That's Kabam giving you that opportunity. Kabam isn't going to give the entire playerbase unfettered access to unlimited fights at no cost.
Nobody is asking for this out of hatred over the idea of someone else having exclusive rewards. We want it because it’s a more convenient way for us to do something we already have the ability to do. This is much close to a QOL improvement than an exclusive reward being shared with a lower progression title.

And even if it was, it’s not as if this is the only thing that ccp members have access to that we don’t, lol. Remember they get completely free rankups to test each champ at an r3 level to make those test fights completely evenly matched. We don’t. We’re not out here asking for access or the beta server lol.

This whole topic has been brought up a few times already. Kabam has said no each time. They've given you ways to do what you're asking already but they're not going to give us the CCP maps.

Nemesis_17

Nah
Because then they aren't "CCP" maps. They have access to them because they earned them. They test professionally. You want what they have, become a member. Also having such easy access to practice, it will trivialize content/defenders, which means the game team has to make Everest content even more difficult or add more nodes etc...

There's plenty of ways for the rest of us to test champs.
I can literally go to duel against any of these defenders using a weaker champ to try and simulate the healthpool of a bg match. The option to practice is already there, this would only make it more convenient, not open an entirely new door.

I also don’t think an opportunity for players to enhance their skills should ever be be seen as a negative.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be. I'm saying we shouldn't have access to the maps CCP has.

Y'all the same group who hates that TB gets Valiant rewards and now you want to take something that those members earned.

But duels exist for that reason, for you to practice. That's Kabam giving you that opportunity. Kabam isn't going to give the entire playerbase unfettered access to unlimited fights at no cost.
Nobody is asking for this out of hatred over the idea of someone else having exclusive rewards. We want it because it’s a more convenient way for us to do something we already have the ability to do. This is much close to a QOL improvement than an exclusive reward being shared with a lower progression title.

And even if it was, it’s not as if this is the only thing that ccp members have access to that we don’t, lol. Remember they get completely free rankups to test each champ at an r3 level to make those test fights completely evenly matched. We don’t. We’re not out here asking for access or the beta server lol.
This whole topic has been brought up a few times already. Kabam has said no each time. They've given you ways to do what you're asking already but they're not going to give us the CCP maps.

I didn’t know they had actually addressed this request, I’m interested in their logic against it being a thing. Do you know where/when they answered this? I found nothing through quick forum searches.

And yes that’s exactly my point lol. We already have a way to practice against these defenders so this would just be a qol change. It’s an objective improvement over the status quo with near 0 downside because any downside is already applicable to what we have now.

And kabam refusing to do it doesn’t automatically make their reasoning more correct or mine any less so.

Demonzfyre

Nah
Because then they aren't "CCP" maps. They have access to them because they earned them. They test professionally. You want what they have, become a member. Also having such easy access to practice, it will trivialize content/defenders, which means the game team has to make Everest content even more difficult or add more nodes etc...

There's plenty of ways for the rest of us to test champs.
I can literally go to duel against any of these defenders using a weaker champ to try and simulate the healthpool of a bg match. The option to practice is already there, this would only make it more convenient, not open an entirely new door.

I also don’t think an opportunity for players to enhance their skills should ever be be seen as a negative.
I'm not saying there shouldn't be. I'm saying we shouldn't have access to the maps CCP has.

Y'all the same group who hates that TB gets Valiant rewards and now you want to take something that those members earned.

But duels exist for that reason, for you to practice. That's Kabam giving you that opportunity. Kabam isn't going to give the entire playerbase unfettered access to unlimited fights at no cost.
Nobody is asking for this out of hatred over the idea of someone else having exclusive rewards. We want it because it’s a more convenient way for us to do something we already have the ability to do. This is much close to a QOL improvement than an exclusive reward being shared with a lower progression title.

And even if it was, it’s not as if this is the only thing that ccp members have access to that we don’t, lol. Remember they get completely free rankups to test each champ at an r3 level to make those test fights completely evenly matched. We don’t. We’re not out here asking for access or the beta server lol.
This whole topic has been brought up a few times already. Kabam has said no each time. They've given you ways to do what you're asking already but they're not going to give us the CCP maps.
I didn’t know they had actually addressed this request, I’m interested in their logic against it being a thing. Do you know where/when they answered this? I found nothing through quick forum searches.

And yes that’s exactly my point lol. We already have a way to practice against these defenders so this would just be a qol change. It’s an objective improvement over the status quo with near 0 downside because any downside is already applicable to what we have now.

And kabam refusing to do it doesn’t automatically make their reasoning more correct or mine any less so.

I'll see if I can find it.

Demonzfyre

Nah
Because then they aren't "CCP" maps. They have access to them because they earned them. They test professionally. You want what they have, become a member. Also having such easy access to practice, it will trivialize content/defenders, which means the game team has to make Everest content even more difficult or add more nodes etc...

There's plenty of ways for the rest of us to test champs.
wdym adding public testing maps will give "such easy access to practice" and "trivialise content/defenders". why do we have this then if that were the case?:

We have that because you can only do it 5 times before it costs units to continue.
Practice is free and costs no units ever. You’re thinking of duels.

Yes i am. My apologies. Thank you for the correction.

smdam38

Now you’re just making up ****.

There is absolutely no reason why someone with whatever number of followers should somehow get a huge advantage in this game.
Huge advantage? lolololol go back to working on your lawsuit. Don't you have cheaters to defend as well?

I’m iffy on this reply because I can’t figure out if you’re stupid or **** ****.

How do you equate “practice” to the special maps CCP have?

2 very different things.

smdam38

So once you get enough people to look at you on YouTube then you unlock a special portion of the game.

startropics

So once you get enough people to look at you on YouTube then you unlock a special portion of the game.

CPP has some perks but it also comes with the responsibility of really learning the game and all the new champions. it's probably a lot of work.

Mother_Flerken

So once you get enough people to look at you on YouTube then you unlock a special portion of the game.
CPP has some perks but it also comes with the responsibility of really learning the game and all the new champions. it's probably a lot of work.

It actually doesn't, CCP involves a lot more than just the youtubers in the spotlight, the program is open to those that have podcasts, website, make artwork and more. Some of these non youtuber ccp (and some big youtubers) play at a very basic level/barely test out new champs.

Meet the basic requirements and it's not difficult to get in CCP.

smdam38

CCP responsibilities? Can you tell me one?
This is gonna be fun.

So your assessment is that CCP players are different than regular players but still play against them?

EdisonLaw

there was a thread for a practice map concept, I believed it was 24 fights, one of each class, each fight was a different healthpool, no nodes, no sp3, e.x black bolt 4x over, each a different lane, a 500k hp pool, 1m, 5m, 10m

@KabamPinwheel

It was the brutal DLX challenge

startropics

CCP responsibilities? Can you tell me one?
This is gonna be fun.

don't they have to make content? it's in the name CCP.

i don't know about you but guides take work and they have to really know the game's core mechanics. i've been a tier 1 player for 6+ years and don't know the order-of-operations for a lot of interactions. it would be embarrassing if a channel was placed in a position of authority and made content that was inaccurate, no?

Darthbane3141

I guess kabam don't do that just because the onslaugth effect, I mean when kabam place him on that seasonal event many of us learn how to dex his specials, similar to enchantress on alliance war showcase, I always have a bad time facing her but now it's just easy, so if they implement that kind of maps the game will become eventually so easy.

They could just do an easy defender for each class, with different options for health pools, it doesn't have to be different defenders. And the Onslaught effect could happen to any champ, just do practice mode until you can reliably dex the special.

Wolf911

I don’t want the map with every defender like serpent arcade photon bullseye onslaught etc

just give one from each class for example

shang chi
angela
vulture
gambit
og cap
diablo

with 7* rank 3

bg health, double that, 2 mil, 10 mil health

captain_rogers

@Demonzfyre just likes to disagree with everything. Bro you're just losing it at this point. It is one thing to defend kabam when someone ocmplains illogically, like ranting out of on rng Or wanting revive farming back. But it's another to defend them even when players ask for realistic stuff, or rant against actual annoying decisions made by kabam, like raid revive cap reduciton Or this post.

They earned it? What? No one tried to became ccp so they can access additional maps, there are many other perks for it.

Giving the additional map to players isn't gonna make content easier. It just allows us to practice in a more realistic situation. Currently If I have to practice against onslaught, I have to use a 4* against my 6*. But with ccp map we can practice with regular champs. It allows us to know the rotations and test the damage output of new champs easier. It's just better fighting poor k
Bucky every time. It's not even a big ask just integrate the feature from beta server to regular server. Why you think kabam is always right and perfect and we players are always wrong?

Like nemesis said we already have a way to practice in main server , via practice mode. The only downside is that we have to use a low rarity champ to practice against high rarity champ. So we can't test our new champs out there. And we are not asking for anything that's new to be implemented. Just give ccp map in regular server. Or even a part of it works, like 5-6 defenders on each class.

Always complaining even on realistic demands and always defending kabam leads you to nowhere. When everyone tells you're wrong, then maybe you could be wrong, right?

Buttehrs

You can already practice though. All you need is to own a version of that champ.

Rayven5220

Nah
Because then they aren't "CCP" maps. They have access to them because they earned them. They test professionally. You want what they have, become a member. Also having such easy access to practice, it will trivialize content/defenders, which means the game team has to make Everest content even more difficult or add more nodes etc...

There's plenty of ways for the rest of us to test champs.
wdym adding public testing maps will give "such easy access to practice" and "trivialise content/defenders". why do we have this then if that were the case?:

We have that because you can only do it 5 times before it costs units to continue.

No... practice mode is literally free.
Duel's cost 5 units after 5 of them.

SirGamesBond

Dll explained once this ain't gonna happen for a reason and im fine with it.

Nemesis_17

Dll explained once this ain't gonna happen for a reason and im fine with it.

Can I find where he said this or do you remember the reasoning behind why he said no

SirGamesBond

Dll explained once this ain't gonna happen for a reason and im fine with it.
Can I find where he said this or do you remember the reasoning behind why he said no

That's the reason I don't want to write this comment lol.

I posted it once before but I cannot find a comment. Nor am i able to remember what livestream was it.

It was around 6 months ago.

SirGamesBond

The reason was simple and I absolutely cannot word it the way he did.

It was related to time.
Some players have too much extra time and some people don't have that luxury.

The players with time can practice for numerous amount of hours and the players who don't have time cannot keep up with it.
If more players get more practice, the difficulty of the game may rise. And that will put the players with less time at a disadvantage. It will create an imbalance.

This is not exactly what he said.
But it was about the game balance.

Nemesis_17

The reason was simple and I absolutely cannot word it the way he did.

It was related to time.
Some players have too much extra time and some people don't have that luxury.

The players with time can practice for numerous amount of hours and the players who don't have time cannot keep up with it.
If more players get more practice, the difficulty of the game may rise. And that will put the players with less time at a disadvantage. It will create an imbalance.

This is not exactly what he said.
But it was about the game balance.

Alright well thank you for the info.

As if we can’t already do everything he just mentioned.

I guess we should just put an hour time limit on how much mcoc we’re allowed to play. Can’t have people improving their mechanics too quickly amirite🤦. They should time gate arena too, we don’t want people using their time to get an advantage over others.

But wait a minute, I thought “time isn’t an actual game resource” or whatever it was jax said. Funny how that doesn’t apply here.

Edit: to be clear I’m not arguing with you, not trying to shoot the messenger. My comments were for kabam lol

captain_rogers

The reason was simple and I absolutely cannot word it the way he did.

It was related to time.
Some players have too much extra time and some people don't have that luxury.

The players with time can practice for numerous amount of hours and the players who don't have time cannot keep up with it.
If more players get more practice, the difficulty of the game may rise. And that will put the players with less time at a disadvantage. It will create an imbalance.

This is not exactly what he said.
But it was about the game balance.
Alright well thank you for the info.

As if we can’t already do everything he just mentioned.

I guess we should just put an hour time limit on how much mcoc we’re allowed to play. Can’t have people improving their mechanics too quickly amirite🤦. They should time gate arena too, we don’t want people using their time to get an advantage over others.

But wait a minute, I thought “time isn’t an actual game resource” or whatever it was jax said. Funny how that doesn’t apply here.

Edit: to be clear I’m not arguing with you, not trying to shoot the messenger. My comments were for kabam lol

People with more free time grind arena and earn a lot of units, which put players with less time in a disadvantage. So we should nerf arena lol.

Kabam when players who spend more time get better skilled in game 😡😡

dr2ws

I have to agree with this one.

Kind of an unfair advantage for CCP.

This is a huge benefit for content creators, and I think it should stay that way, a reward for them.

As for that, ROL is pretty much a punching bag anyways for most TB’s+.

For those who are mentioning to use duel/practice.

If I want to use scream and have a test, no way am I able to get an accurate and logical result from that, bigger health pools tell me what I can do with Scream and other champs. Please stop mentioning duels and practice, they aren’t going to do anything unless you’re fighting a r6 7* Sassy or something.

Nemesis_17

The reason was simple and I absolutely cannot word it the way he did.

It was related to time.
Some players have too much extra time and some people don't have that luxury.

The players with time can practice for numerous amount of hours and the players who don't have time cannot keep up with it.
If more players get more practice, the difficulty of the game may rise. And that will put the players with less time at a disadvantage. It will create an imbalance.

This is not exactly what he said.
But it was about the game balance.
Alright well thank you for the info.

As if we can’t already do everything he just mentioned.

I guess we should just put an hour time limit on how much mcoc we’re allowed to play. Can’t have people improving their mechanics too quickly amirite🤦. They should time gate arena too, we don’t want people using their time to get an advantage over others.

But wait a minute, I thought “time isn’t an actual game resource” or whatever it was jax said. Funny how that doesn’t apply here.

Edit: to be clear I’m not arguing with you, not trying to shoot the messenger. My comments were for kabam lol
People with more free time grind arena and earn a lot of units, which put players with less time in a disadvantage. So we should nerf arena lol.

Kabam when players who spend more time get better skilled in game 😡😡

Player development? Yuck

JESUSCHRIST

I do have a reasoning why Kabam won't include it in the game

Players will be asking for rewards from completing the quest in forums

"Is there a bug? Why is there no rewards in this quest?" forum posts will be sprouting up regularly

JESUSCHRIST

ROL Winter soldier will be like "Don't steal my job! That's the only reason for my existence in this game!"