6*s will never become obsolete. The Ascension system was put in place specifically to prevent that, and 6*s will always be an important milestone in progression. While top MCOC players might not get much mileage out of their 6*s now, the rest of the playerbase still has plenty of use for them. I myself am a Valiant with 3 7* r3s, yet I still use my 6*s every day, whether it be for questing, BGs, AW and AQ
The ascension system was put in place to prolong their relevance, not to prevent their irrelevance. As your roster grows you will use 6* champs less and less, though there are still champs that are just too good not to use at least for awhile longer.
I still believe that there is an "ascension rank 1/1" screen whenever you ascend a champion for a reason. I'm just holding out hope that they release additional ascension ranks so that 6*s will still be able to maintain some form of relevance in the game
6*s will never become obsolete. The Ascension system was put in place specifically to prevent that, and 6*s will always be an important milestone in progression. While top MCOC players might not get much mileage out of their 6*s now, the rest of the playerbase still has plenty of use for them. I myself am a Valiant with 3 7* r3s, yet I still use my 6*s every day, whether it be for questing, BGs, AW and AQ
The ascension system was put in place to prolong their relevance, not to prevent their irrelevance. As your roster grows you will use 6* champs less and less, though there are still champs that are just too good not to use at least for awhile longer.
I still believe that there is an "ascension rank 1/1" screen whenever you ascend a champion for a reason. I'm just holding out hope that they release additional ascension ranks so that 6*s will still be able to maintain some form of relevance in the game
And why exactly would kabam do more than 1 level of ascension per rarity? What would be the point of higher rarities then? They could simply just keep adding a level to 6* when they want the game to progress.
Anyway 6* rank 5 ascended champs are pegged to about 90% health and attack of a 7* rank 3
6* champs enjoy easy sig 200 as their only advantage over 7*
The last time I looked at Ascension numbers, a typical 7* R3 had about 23% more attack and health than an Ascended 6* R5. There were some champions that did not follow that power curve exactly, but all the ones I looked at fell within a few percentage points of 20%. I'm unaware of a champion whose 6* R5 ascended attack value is within 10% of its 7* R3 attack value.
Anyway 6* rank 5 ascended champs are pegged to about 90% health and attack of a 7* rank 3
6* champs enjoy easy sig 200 as their only advantage over 7*
The last time I looked at Ascension numbers, a typical 7* R3 had about 23% more attack and health than an Ascended 6* R5. There were some champions that did not follow that power curve exactly, but all the ones I looked at fell within a few percentage points of 20%. I'm unaware of a champion whose 6* R5 ascended attack value is within 10% of its 7* R3 attack value.
Anyway 6* rank 5 ascended champs are pegged to about 90% health and attack of a 7* rank 3
6* champs enjoy easy sig 200 as their only advantage over 7*
The last time I looked at Ascension numbers, a typical 7* R3 had about 23% more attack and health than an Ascended 6* R5. There were some champions that did not follow that power curve exactly, but all the ones I looked at fell within a few percentage points of 20%. I'm unaware of a champion whose 6* R5 ascended attack value is within 10% of its 7* R3 attack value.
What would Ascension level 2 look like?
Expect more 7* gates in future content so any further 6* ascension is essentially irrelevant
Anyway 6* rank 5 ascended champs are pegged to about 90% health and attack of a 7* rank 3
6* champs enjoy easy sig 200 as their only advantage over 7*
The last time I looked at Ascension numbers, a typical 7* R3 had about 23% more attack and health than an Ascended 6* R5. There were some champions that did not follow that power curve exactly, but all the ones I looked at fell within a few percentage points of 20%. I'm unaware of a champion whose 6* R5 ascended attack value is within 10% of its 7* R3 attack value.
What would Ascension level 2 look like?
That's unpredictable, as we can't extrapolate from one point. It is important to note that Ascension is literally whatever the devs decided to make it, because Ascension doesn't boost by the same amount for different rarities, and it doesn't even follow an obvious (numerical) pattern. 4* champs get boosted by 30%, 5* champs by 20%, and 6* champs by 22%. These numbers seem to be hand picked to make ascension do specific things to those rarities relative to their own leveling curves, which are different for different rarities.
I could guess what the devs might want A2 to look like, except I think the devs don't want A2 to exist which makes that difficult. For example, we could speculate that the devs might want a 6* R5 AA champ to look like a 7* R3, or we could speculate that they might want it to be lower than that, but once you really start thinking about where they would want 6* R5 AA to land, it starts to be clear they don't want 6* R5 AA to land anywhere, and that leaves nowhere for the second Ascension to go.
I don't think they want 6* champs to be able to catch up to 7* R3s, by any means. Doing so would not only devalue 7* champs, but more importantly it would cause many players to hold out hope that if AA, then maybe AAA, and then AAAA, and maybe they can just keep upgrading their 6s indefinitely rather than pursue 7s. One is one, but two is a pattern, and then they have to argue why not three. I don't think anyone wants to have that argument. It is easier to make the argument that Ascension is one and done.
6*s will never become obsolete. The Ascension system was put in place specifically to prevent that, and 6*s will always be an important milestone in progression. While top MCOC players might not get much mileage out of their 6*s now, the rest of the playerbase still has plenty of use for them. I myself am a Valiant with 3 7* r3s, yet I still use my 6*s every day, whether it be for questing, BGs, AW and AQ
The ascension system was put in place to prolong their relevance, not to prevent their irrelevance. As your roster grows you will use 6* champs less and less, though there are still champs that are just too good not to use at least for awhile longer.
I still believe that there is an "ascension rank 1/1" screen whenever you ascend a champion for a reason. I'm just holding out hope that they release additional ascension ranks so that 6*s will still be able to maintain some form of relevance in the game
And why exactly would kabam do more than 1 level of ascension per rarity? What would be the point of higher rarities then? They could simply just keep adding a level to 6* when they want the game to progress.
All I'm saying is that Kabam could keep adding higher rarities while still maintaining the relevance of older rarities through the Ascension. Of course, they could include things like gates in endgame content to make sure newer rarities are always relevant, but that doesn't mean that 6*s will be rendered to the point of obsoleteness
6*s will never become obsolete. The Ascension system was put in place specifically to prevent that, and 6*s will always be an important milestone in progression. While top MCOC players might not get much mileage out of their 6*s now, the rest of the playerbase still has plenty of use for them. I myself am a Valiant with 3 7* r3s, yet I still use my 6*s every day, whether it be for questing, BGs, AW and AQ
The ascension system was put in place to prolong their relevance, not to prevent their irrelevance. As your roster grows you will use 6* champs less and less, though there are still champs that are just too good not to use at least for awhile longer.
I still believe that there is an "ascension rank 1/1" screen whenever you ascend a champion for a reason. I'm just holding out hope that they release additional ascension ranks so that 6*s will still be able to maintain some form of relevance in the game
And why exactly would kabam do more than 1 level of ascension per rarity? What would be the point of higher rarities then? They could simply just keep adding a level to 6* when they want the game to progress.
All I'm saying is that Kabam could keep adding higher rarities while still maintaining the relevance of older rarities through the Ascension. Of course, they could include things like gates in endgame content to make sure newer rarities are always relevant, but that doesn't mean that 6*s will be rendered to the point of obsoleteness
Kabam wants 6* to be obselete to sell more stuff to players
6*s will never become obsolete. The Ascension system was put in place specifically to prevent that, and 6*s will always be an important milestone in progression. While top MCOC players might not get much mileage out of their 6*s now, the rest of the playerbase still has plenty of use for them. I myself am a Valiant with 3 7* r3s, yet I still use my 6*s every day, whether it be for questing, BGs, AW and AQ
The ascension system was put in place to prolong their relevance, not to prevent their irrelevance. As your roster grows you will use 6* champs less and less, though there are still champs that are just too good not to use at least for awhile longer.
I still believe that there is an "ascension rank 1/1" screen whenever you ascend a champion for a reason. I'm just holding out hope that they release additional ascension ranks so that 6*s will still be able to maintain some form of relevance in the game
And why exactly would kabam do more than 1 level of ascension per rarity? What would be the point of higher rarities then? They could simply just keep adding a level to 6* when they want the game to progress.
All I'm saying is that Kabam could keep adding higher rarities while still maintaining the relevance of older rarities through the Ascension. Of course, they could include things like gates in endgame content to make sure newer rarities are always relevant, but that doesn't mean that 6*s will be rendered to the point of obsoleteness
Kabam wants 6* to be obselete to sell more stuff to players
Well, yes: Kabam always wants prior rarities to become less relevant. That's literally how the game survives and evolves.
But the thinking behind Ascension is that: Kabam didn't want to make 6*s obsolete too quickly.
I'd agree that they're becoming increasingly less relevant; but even when they're meta-irrelevant (and not usually useable in competitive PvP) that's still some way off actually being obsolete. There will still be challenges like Autumn of Anguish Milestones (like #Kree, or #X-men) that require you to reach into your 6* stable for some time to come.
It will be obsolete soon. I don't even bother to rank up any 6 star champ I get nowadays.. waste of resources. All of my best 6 stars were already fully ranked up anyway.
It will be obsolete soon. I don't even bother to rank up any 6 star champ I get nowadays.. waste of resources. All of my best 6 stars were already fully ranked up anyway.
It's only a waste of catalysts for r5. Use gems there. We get plenty.
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6* champs enjoy easy sig 200 as their only advantage over 7*
So 6* are irrelevant already
I could guess what the devs might want A2 to look like, except I think the devs don't want A2 to exist which makes that difficult. For example, we could speculate that the devs might want a 6* R5 AA champ to look like a 7* R3, or we could speculate that they might want it to be lower than that, but once you really start thinking about where they would want 6* R5 AA to land, it starts to be clear they don't want 6* R5 AA to land anywhere, and that leaves nowhere for the second Ascension to go.
I don't think they want 6* champs to be able to catch up to 7* R3s, by any means. Doing so would not only devalue 7* champs, but more importantly it would cause many players to hold out hope that if AA, then maybe AAA, and then AAAA, and maybe they can just keep upgrading their 6s indefinitely rather than pursue 7s. One is one, but two is a pattern, and then they have to argue why not three. I don't think anyone wants to have that argument. It is easier to make the argument that Ascension is one and done.
But the thinking behind Ascension is that: Kabam didn't want to make 6*s obsolete too quickly.
I'd agree that they're becoming increasingly less relevant; but even when they're meta-irrelevant (and not usually useable in competitive PvP) that's still some way off actually being obsolete. There will still be challenges like Autumn of Anguish Milestones (like #Kree, or #X-men) that require you to reach into your 6* stable for some time to come.