AI interactions

My AI experience has been so bad it’s wild really. I’m either getting sucker punched while trying to intercept and feel like i’m playing against MSD in real time, or the AI doesn’t do a single thing and I just have to accept it wants to do a sp3 that bad. I’ve lost confidence as a valiant player to do basic things like intercepting because AI is learning from my movements it feels like. I can’t imagine how Epoch will go for me, probably terribly.
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  • BosleyBosley Member Posts: 407 ★★★
    Nothing will change or it would have already......
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★

    I’ve lost confidence as a valiant player to do basic things like intercepting because AI is learning from my movements it feels like.

    It feels like the AI is learning from your movements because it actually is learning from your movements.
    It has become a chess match and many players are expecting it to be checkers.
    The game is demanding a lot these days, from high focus, sharp reflexes, and a lot of reading comprehension and analysis and strategizing.

  • UnyonfaceUnyonface Member Posts: 656 ★★★
    Nahhh the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well. Dropped inputs, phantom parry by the AI, AI not engaging in a normal behavior, and most of all, the recovery of the AI so you can’t punish them after a special attack…
  • IndustryPlantIndustryPlant Member Posts: 5
    edited February 14

    I’ve lost confidence as a valiant player to do basic things like intercepting because AI is learning from my movements it feels like.

    It feels like the AI is learning from your movements because it actually is learning from your movements.
    It has become a chess match and many players are expecting it to be checkers.
    The game is demanding a lot these days, from high focus, sharp reflexes, and a lot of reading comprehension and analysis and strategizing.

    I’d be interested to know more if that’s the case. However I will still stand by there being other concerns with current AI. Whiffs, recovery, forward dashing fails causing me to be intercepted, etc.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★
    XenoMorf said:

    Unyonface said:

    Nahhh the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well. Dropped inputs, phantom parry by the AI, AI not engaging in a normal behavior, and most of all, the recovery of the AI so you can’t punish them after a special attack…

    I subscribe and confirm all of that lads & lasses. I rarely comment but seriously, in the last half a year or so the AI has become progressively frustrating. I'm just out of a most frustrating play session - not even everest content and man, after 4 or 5 years of love for this game to the point I started new accounts and grew them just to enjoy the fights, I've now given up 2 out of 3 accounts and I'm seriously on the fence about parking this one as well. Learning off our moves or not, the AI has become superhuman which is unfair gameplay for us. There is only one MSD and while hats off to the man as I got no clue how he does some of the things he does, I'm fairly certain however mcoc can't survive on 1 or even a handful of players. For the rest of us it's simply not fun anymore. And the worst.. the worst is nobody in Kabam even acknowledges this or comments on it with any pland to fix whatever needs fixing so we can go back and enjoy a fair fight. Feels kind of similar to them big social media companies out there, they created AI algorythms that got so good they can't be stopped anymore :smile: ..even if they wanted to.
    Just like most competitive games, not everyone can be a winner.
    For every successful player, there has to be at least ten dudes who've lost everything.
    And those ten dudes have joined together with all the other ten dudes and have decided to blame the AI.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★
    Unyonface said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Unyonface said:

    Nahhh the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well. Dropped inputs, phantom parry by the AI, AI not engaging in a normal behavior, and most of all, the recovery of the AI so you can’t punish them after a special attack…

    I subscribe and confirm all of that lads & lasses. I rarely comment but seriously, in the last half a year or so the AI has become progressively frustrating. I'm just out of a most frustrating play session - not even everest content and man, after 4 or 5 years of love for this game to the point I started new accounts and grew them just to enjoy the fights, I've now given up 2 out of 3 accounts and I'm seriously on the fence about parking this one as well. Learning off our moves or not, the AI has become superhuman which is unfair gameplay for us. There is only one MSD and while hats off to the man as I got no clue how he does some of the things he does, I'm fairly certain however mcoc can't survive on 1 or even a handful of players. For the rest of us it's simply not fun anymore. And the worst.. the worst is nobody in Kabam even acknowledges this or comments on it with any pland to fix whatever needs fixing so we can go back and enjoy a fair fight. Feels kind of similar to them big social media companies out there, they created AI algorythms that got so good they can't be stopped anymore :smile: ..even if they wanted to.
    Just like most competitive games, not everyone can be a winner.
    For every successful player, there has to be at least ten dudes who've lost everything.
    And those ten dudes have joined together with all the other ten dudes and have decided to blame the AI.
    It isn’t just the AI genius, it’s a combination of many parts of the game and the AI adds to it. It isn’t about losing everything either, it’s about observing the state of the game that is in a bad state that many players notice and voice their opinions/statements about.

    Most competitive games can have these issues, but from most of the competitive games that I have played, these issues get addressed and fixed. The issues are recurring in Mcoc because of the different game modes and everest content that has different nodes and what not to make it challenging. Can it be fixed? Sure it can, but it takes a well run company to be able to fix these issues….
    Eh, you said earlier in this thread that "the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well."
    If you truly believed that, you wouldn't keep playing the game and discussing it online. You would just find something better to do, something that wasn't "complete garbage."

    People don't play games they consider "complete garbage" unless they know deep down that their complaints are mere copium for their failures in the game. That's why they keep coming back to the game yet still continuing to call it "complete garbage." It's an endless cycle of failure and frustration.
  • IronwarriorIronwarrior Member Posts: 136
    to intercept you need a game mechanic to work which is
    The Ai has a recovery time every time you light and medium attack, on medium attacks you also need a recovery to continue the combo, so when you dash back from throwing a light attack, you NEED the ai to have that recovery to give you room time to properly intercept.
    Nowadays the AI recovers just way too fastIs it Kabam scheming? Idk. My guess is that the 60 fps eats up frames until where you don't notice the intercept window, Heck nowadays you get complaints about dashing back and and the ai just catching you or special intercepts
  • UnyonfaceUnyonface Member Posts: 656 ★★★

    Unyonface said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Unyonface said:

    Nahhh the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well. Dropped inputs, phantom parry by the AI, AI not engaging in a normal behavior, and most of all, the recovery of the AI so you can’t punish them after a special attack…

    I subscribe and confirm all of that lads & lasses. I rarely comment but seriously, in the last half a year or so the AI has become progressively frustrating. I'm just out of a most frustrating play session - not even everest content and man, after 4 or 5 years of love for this game to the point I started new accounts and grew them just to enjoy the fights, I've now given up 2 out of 3 accounts and I'm seriously on the fence about parking this one as well. Learning off our moves or not, the AI has become superhuman which is unfair gameplay for us. There is only one MSD and while hats off to the man as I got no clue how he does some of the things he does, I'm fairly certain however mcoc can't survive on 1 or even a handful of players. For the rest of us it's simply not fun anymore. And the worst.. the worst is nobody in Kabam even acknowledges this or comments on it with any pland to fix whatever needs fixing so we can go back and enjoy a fair fight. Feels kind of similar to them big social media companies out there, they created AI algorythms that got so good they can't be stopped anymore :smile: ..even if they wanted to.
    Just like most competitive games, not everyone can be a winner.
    For every successful player, there has to be at least ten dudes who've lost everything.
    And those ten dudes have joined together with all the other ten dudes and have decided to blame the AI.
    It isn’t just the AI genius, it’s a combination of many parts of the game and the AI adds to it. It isn’t about losing everything either, it’s about observing the state of the game that is in a bad state that many players notice and voice their opinions/statements about.

    Most competitive games can have these issues, but from most of the competitive games that I have played, these issues get addressed and fixed. The issues are recurring in Mcoc because of the different game modes and everest content that has different nodes and what not to make it challenging. Can it be fixed? Sure it can, but it takes a well run company to be able to fix these issues….
    Eh, you said earlier in this thread that "the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well."
    If you truly believed that, you wouldn't keep playing the game and discussing it online. You would just find something better to do, something that wasn't "complete garbage."

    People don't play games they consider "complete garbage" unless they know deep down that their complaints are mere copium for their failures in the game. That's why they keep coming back to the game yet still continuing to call it "complete garbage." It's an endless cycle of failure and frustration.
    You’re dense in the head, I explained everything after your ignorant statement. Stop trying to justify something that no 1 is agreeing with you on…
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 791 ★★★
    There are worse AI in other fighting games that I am playing now

    Mcoc AI isn't the worst but it's getting there soon
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★
    Unyonface said:

    Unyonface said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Unyonface said:

    Nahhh the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well. Dropped inputs, phantom parry by the AI, AI not engaging in a normal behavior, and most of all, the recovery of the AI so you can’t punish them after a special attack…

    I subscribe and confirm all of that lads & lasses. I rarely comment but seriously, in the last half a year or so the AI has become progressively frustrating. I'm just out of a most frustrating play session - not even everest content and man, after 4 or 5 years of love for this game to the point I started new accounts and grew them just to enjoy the fights, I've now given up 2 out of 3 accounts and I'm seriously on the fence about parking this one as well. Learning off our moves or not, the AI has become superhuman which is unfair gameplay for us. There is only one MSD and while hats off to the man as I got no clue how he does some of the things he does, I'm fairly certain however mcoc can't survive on 1 or even a handful of players. For the rest of us it's simply not fun anymore. And the worst.. the worst is nobody in Kabam even acknowledges this or comments on it with any pland to fix whatever needs fixing so we can go back and enjoy a fair fight. Feels kind of similar to them big social media companies out there, they created AI algorythms that got so good they can't be stopped anymore :smile: ..even if they wanted to.
    Just like most competitive games, not everyone can be a winner.
    For every successful player, there has to be at least ten dudes who've lost everything.
    And those ten dudes have joined together with all the other ten dudes and have decided to blame the AI.
    It isn’t just the AI genius, it’s a combination of many parts of the game and the AI adds to it. It isn’t about losing everything either, it’s about observing the state of the game that is in a bad state that many players notice and voice their opinions/statements about.

    Most competitive games can have these issues, but from most of the competitive games that I have played, these issues get addressed and fixed. The issues are recurring in Mcoc because of the different game modes and everest content that has different nodes and what not to make it challenging. Can it be fixed? Sure it can, but it takes a well run company to be able to fix these issues….
    Eh, you said earlier in this thread that "the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well."
    If you truly believed that, you wouldn't keep playing the game and discussing it online. You would just find something better to do, something that wasn't "complete garbage."

    People don't play games they consider "complete garbage" unless they know deep down that their complaints are mere copium for their failures in the game. That's why they keep coming back to the game yet still continuing to call it "complete garbage." It's an endless cycle of failure and frustration.
    You’re dense in the head, I explained everything after your ignorant statement. Stop trying to justify something that no 1 is agreeing with you on…
    When you resort to personal insults, it just shows how weak your position is.
    You don't like what I say, so you attack me personally.
    You don't like losing in the game, so you attack the game's quality.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★

    Unyonface said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Unyonface said:

    Nahhh the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well. Dropped inputs, phantom parry by the AI, AI not engaging in a normal behavior, and most of all, the recovery of the AI so you can’t punish them after a special attack…

    I subscribe and confirm all of that lads & lasses. I rarely comment but seriously, in the last half a year or so the AI has become progressively frustrating. I'm just out of a most frustrating play session - not even everest content and man, after 4 or 5 years of love for this game to the point I started new accounts and grew them just to enjoy the fights, I've now given up 2 out of 3 accounts and I'm seriously on the fence about parking this one as well. Learning off our moves or not, the AI has become superhuman which is unfair gameplay for us. There is only one MSD and while hats off to the man as I got no clue how he does some of the things he does, I'm fairly certain however mcoc can't survive on 1 or even a handful of players. For the rest of us it's simply not fun anymore. And the worst.. the worst is nobody in Kabam even acknowledges this or comments on it with any pland to fix whatever needs fixing so we can go back and enjoy a fair fight. Feels kind of similar to them big social media companies out there, they created AI algorythms that got so good they can't be stopped anymore :smile: ..even if they wanted to.
    Just like most competitive games, not everyone can be a winner.
    For every successful player, there has to be at least ten dudes who've lost everything.
    And those ten dudes have joined together with all the other ten dudes and have decided to blame the AI.
    It isn’t just the AI genius, it’s a combination of many parts of the game and the AI adds to it. It isn’t about losing everything either, it’s about observing the state of the game that is in a bad state that many players notice and voice their opinions/statements about.

    Most competitive games can have these issues, but from most of the competitive games that I have played, these issues get addressed and fixed. The issues are recurring in Mcoc because of the different game modes and everest content that has different nodes and what not to make it challenging. Can it be fixed? Sure it can, but it takes a well run company to be able to fix these issues….
    Eh, you said earlier in this thread that "the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well."
    If you truly believed that, you wouldn't keep playing the game and discussing it online. You would just find something better to do, something that wasn't "complete garbage."

    People don't play games they consider "complete garbage" unless they know deep down that their complaints are mere copium for their failures in the game. That's why they keep coming back to the game yet still continuing to call it "complete garbage." It's an endless cycle of failure and frustration.
    Or it’s a case that people have invested thousands on this game and to just pack it in would be a complete and utter waste of money. The same people who invest money in the game have every right to voice their opinions, and when the majority of players (and content creators) are ALL saying the same thing, it isn’t untoward to make these comments. The game has regressed in many facets over the past few years, fact!
    What are all the content creators saying in unison with the players? Do you have videos or tweets or posts of them all saying the same thing? And what is that thing? Because we can all just say whatever we want and call it a "fact!" if that's all it takes to make our feelings feel better.
  • AnvilOfCromAnvilOfCrom Member Posts: 35
    edited February 16

    Unyonface said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Unyonface said:

    Nahhh the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well. Dropped inputs, phantom parry by the AI, AI not engaging in a normal behavior, and most of all, the recovery of the AI so you can’t punish them after a special attack…

    I subscribe and confirm all of that lads & lasses. I rarely comment but seriously, in the last half a year or so the AI has become progressively frustrating. I'm just out of a most frustrating play session - not even everest content and man, after 4 or 5 years of love for this game to the point I started new accounts and grew them just to enjoy the fights, I've now given up 2 out of 3 accounts and I'm seriously on the fence about parking this one as well. Learning off our moves or not, the AI has become superhuman which is unfair gameplay for us. There is only one MSD and while hats off to the man as I got no clue how he does some of the things he does, I'm fairly certain however mcoc can't survive on 1 or even a handful of players. For the rest of us it's simply not fun anymore. And the worst.. the worst is nobody in Kabam even acknowledges this or comments on it with any pland to fix whatever needs fixing so we can go back and enjoy a fair fight. Feels kind of similar to them big social media companies out there, they created AI algorythms that got so good they can't be stopped anymore :smile: ..even if they wanted to.
    Just like most competitive games, not everyone can be a winner.
    For every successful player, there has to be at least ten dudes who've lost everything.
    And those ten dudes have joined together with all the other ten dudes and have decided to blame the AI.
    It isn’t just the AI genius, it’s a combination of many parts of the game and the AI adds to it. It isn’t about losing everything either, it’s about observing the state of the game that is in a bad state that many players notice and voice their opinions/statements about.

    Most competitive games can have these issues, but from most of the competitive games that I have played, these issues get addressed and fixed. The issues are recurring in Mcoc because of the different game modes and everest content that has different nodes and what not to make it challenging. Can it be fixed? Sure it can, but it takes a well run company to be able to fix these issues….
    Eh, you said earlier in this thread that "the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well."
    If you truly believed that, you wouldn't keep playing the game and discussing it online. You would just find something better to do, something that wasn't "complete garbage."

    People don't play games they consider "complete garbage" unless they know deep down that their complaints are mere copium for their failures in the game. That's why they keep coming back to the game yet still continuing to call it "complete garbage." It's an endless cycle of failure and frustration.
    Or it’s a case that people have invested thousands on this game and to just pack it in would be a complete and utter waste of money. The same people who invest money in the game have every right to voice their opinions, and when the majority of players (and content creators) are ALL saying the same thing, it isn’t untoward to make these comments. The game has regressed in many facets over the past few years, fact!
    What are all the content creators saying in unison with the players? Do you have videos or tweets or posts of them all saying the same thing? And what is that thing? Because we can all just say whatever we want and call it a "fact!" if that's all it takes to make our feelings feel better.
    It isn’t difficult to go onto YouTube and look for yourself, in regards to the state of AI and the sentiments of the creators… I’m not into silly back-and-forths, no need to come in so hot bro.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★

    Unyonface said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Unyonface said:

    Nahhh the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well. Dropped inputs, phantom parry by the AI, AI not engaging in a normal behavior, and most of all, the recovery of the AI so you can’t punish them after a special attack…

    I subscribe and confirm all of that lads & lasses. I rarely comment but seriously, in the last half a year or so the AI has become progressively frustrating. I'm just out of a most frustrating play session - not even everest content and man, after 4 or 5 years of love for this game to the point I started new accounts and grew them just to enjoy the fights, I've now given up 2 out of 3 accounts and I'm seriously on the fence about parking this one as well. Learning off our moves or not, the AI has become superhuman which is unfair gameplay for us. There is only one MSD and while hats off to the man as I got no clue how he does some of the things he does, I'm fairly certain however mcoc can't survive on 1 or even a handful of players. For the rest of us it's simply not fun anymore. And the worst.. the worst is nobody in Kabam even acknowledges this or comments on it with any pland to fix whatever needs fixing so we can go back and enjoy a fair fight. Feels kind of similar to them big social media companies out there, they created AI algorythms that got so good they can't be stopped anymore :smile: ..even if they wanted to.
    Just like most competitive games, not everyone can be a winner.
    For every successful player, there has to be at least ten dudes who've lost everything.
    And those ten dudes have joined together with all the other ten dudes and have decided to blame the AI.
    It isn’t just the AI genius, it’s a combination of many parts of the game and the AI adds to it. It isn’t about losing everything either, it’s about observing the state of the game that is in a bad state that many players notice and voice their opinions/statements about.

    Most competitive games can have these issues, but from most of the competitive games that I have played, these issues get addressed and fixed. The issues are recurring in Mcoc because of the different game modes and everest content that has different nodes and what not to make it challenging. Can it be fixed? Sure it can, but it takes a well run company to be able to fix these issues….
    Eh, you said earlier in this thread that "the AI is complete garbage and Mcoc is becoming that as well."
    If you truly believed that, you wouldn't keep playing the game and discussing it online. You would just find something better to do, something that wasn't "complete garbage."

    People don't play games they consider "complete garbage" unless they know deep down that their complaints are mere copium for their failures in the game. That's why they keep coming back to the game yet still continuing to call it "complete garbage." It's an endless cycle of failure and frustration.
    Or it’s a case that people have invested thousands on this game and to just pack it in would be a complete and utter waste of money. The same people who invest money in the game have every right to voice their opinions, and when the majority of players (and content creators) are ALL saying the same thing, it isn’t untoward to make these comments. The game has regressed in many facets over the past few years, fact!
    What are all the content creators saying in unison with the players? Do you have videos or tweets or posts of them all saying the same thing? And what is that thing? Because we can all just say whatever we want and call it a "fact!" if that's all it takes to make our feelings feel better.
    It isn’t difficult to go onto YouTube and look for yourself, in regards to the state of AI and the sentiments of the creators… I’m not into silly back-and-forths, no need to come in so hot bro.
    Well I asked because I watch a lot of youtube streams of people playing (MSD, Grass, Ackbar, etc) and I never see the constant issues people complain about here. They seem to intercept, parry, and dex just fine, whereas judging from the constant complaints here one would think the game was impossible to play.
    But again, I'm not surprised you refuse to post any actual video of what you're talking about.
    None of the complainers do, unless it's a video showing them dashing into an opponent's block and thinking that's an intercept attempt.
  • XenoMorfXenoMorf Member Posts: 29
    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★
    XenoMorf said:

    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.

    Yes, the AI isn't the same punching bag it used to be. So your skills haven't deteriorated, they just haven't kept up with the skill improvements in the AI.
    That's why we can watch hours and hours of skilled players on youtube not running into the issues that people on the forums say they run into.
    If it was truly a glitch, skill wouldn't matter; everyone would have the same problems. But they don't.
  • MasquiradeMasquirade Member Posts: 280 ★★
    edited February 16
    There are two really unforgivable moves I've had regularly with defenders the last couple of months;

    1) Medium, Light, Light, Light, Dash back, *pause for defender dash to allow for light intercept*, defender throws a Light into thin air because they are ***anticipating*** you to Medium intercept. The reason this bothers me so much is everything else in the defender programming seemingly acts on the basis that you are in their effective range, to hit you with their basics or a special, hence why Iron Fist won't throw his special 1 when you're at the opposite side of the map, but Ultron will. But this isn't a reaction to you being in their range, this is an action, not a reaction, based on something you ***MIGHT*** do, and something that used to be largely safe to do. It leaves a really bad taste.

    2) Opponent misses on their initial light or medium, I wait half a second, dash in, and they launch a delayed second part of their combo, where everything I've done before the last couple of months has trained me to expect the defender to either block, or dash back.

    I really don't shy away from anything in this game but it absolutely feels like you lose every single semi-risky move at the moment, it's just anti-fun.
  • XenoMorfXenoMorf Member Posts: 29

    XenoMorf said:

    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.

    Yes, the AI isn't the same punching bag it used to be. So your skills haven't deteriorated, they just haven't kept up with the skill improvements in the AI.
    That's why we can watch hours and hours of skilled players on youtube not running into the issues that people on the forums say they run into.
    If it was truly a glitch, skill wouldn't matter; everyone would have the same problems. But they don't.
    Well, actually they do mate, fairly sure I've seen/heard all but one (and I mean all I watch, can't watch everyone, not enough time in a day) and most mentioned and/or recorded issues more than once. MSD is I think the exception - who is out of this world good, again no idea how he does the things he does but we've all seen his gameplay and we've all seen him beating, sorry not just beating.. shaming other good/top players. So I think we can all agree not to take him/the exception as reference. A game should be playable by the vast majority and not by less than a handful of individuals. Again, I have no issue me or you not being as good as MSD, that is beside the point. I guess you must be watching a different YouTube than the rest of us.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★
    XenoMorf said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.

    Yes, the AI isn't the same punching bag it used to be. So your skills haven't deteriorated, they just haven't kept up with the skill improvements in the AI.
    That's why we can watch hours and hours of skilled players on youtube not running into the issues that people on the forums say they run into.
    If it was truly a glitch, skill wouldn't matter; everyone would have the same problems. But they don't.
    Well, actually they do mate, fairly sure I've seen/heard all but one (and I mean all I watch, can't watch everyone, not enough time in a day) and most mentioned and/or recorded issues more than once. MSD is I think the exception - who is out of this world good, again no idea how he does the things he does but we've all seen his gameplay and we've all seen him beating, sorry not just beating.. shaming other good/top players. So I think we can all agree not to take him/the exception as reference. A game should be playable by the vast majority and not by less than a handful of individuals. Again, I have no issue me or you not being as good as MSD, that is beside the point. I guess you must be watching a different YouTube than the rest of us.
    Ok, please link the youtube videos of skilled players running into glitchy AI issues and complaining about it.
    I will watch them. I want to understand and see the issues. I just don't see any point in emotional venting without any factual support (other than "trust me bro" or "all us bad players agree so you must be wrong because you're not joining our echo chamber").
  • XenoMorfXenoMorf Member Posts: 29

    XenoMorf said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.

    Yes, the AI isn't the same punching bag it used to be. So your skills haven't deteriorated, they just haven't kept up with the skill improvements in the AI.
    That's why we can watch hours and hours of skilled players on youtube not running into the issues that people on the forums say they run into.
    If it was truly a glitch, skill wouldn't matter; everyone would have the same problems. But they don't.
    Well, actually they do mate, fairly sure I've seen/heard all but one (and I mean all I watch, can't watch everyone, not enough time in a day) and most mentioned and/or recorded issues more than once. MSD is I think the exception - who is out of this world good, again no idea how he does the things he does but we've all seen his gameplay and we've all seen him beating, sorry not just beating.. shaming other good/top players. So I think we can all agree not to take him/the exception as reference. A game should be playable by the vast majority and not by less than a handful of individuals. Again, I have no issue me or you not being as good as MSD, that is beside the point. I guess you must be watching a different YouTube than the rest of us.
    Ok, please link the youtube videos of skilled players running into glitchy AI issues and complaining about it.
    I will watch them. I want to understand and see the issues. I just don't see any point in emotional venting without any factual support (other than "trust me bro" or "all us bad players agree so you must be wrong because you're not joining our echo chamber").
    Maybe you should play some of us before calling us all bad, I'm confident I could make you blame your losses on some of these "glitches". As for links to aforementioned YouTube vids, just lookup some of the most viewed mcoc channels, off the top of my head - richtheman, kt1, vega, trap - as I've already seen enough and played through same. And just to be clear, I'm not saying the aforementioned players are in top 100 but they are people who've played this game for years on a daily basis (just like myself) and aren't happy with the current state of AI in mcoc. Unless you're saying playing daily regresses one's skill (well that makes sense..). Point is, again, like talking to a brick wall, this game or any other for that matter, isn't meant for a handful of people to enjoy but for the vast majority. And with this I rest my case, I did not post here so that I can prove myself to you or another but in the hopes that kabam staff come across one of the many, many discussions on current state of in-game AI and do something to fix it so that we - all the bad ones - can enjoy the game once more.
  • TotemCorruptionTotemCorruption Member Posts: 1,238 ★★★
    XenoMorf said:

    XenoMorf said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.

    Yes, the AI isn't the same punching bag it used to be. So your skills haven't deteriorated, they just haven't kept up with the skill improvements in the AI.
    That's why we can watch hours and hours of skilled players on youtube not running into the issues that people on the forums say they run into.
    If it was truly a glitch, skill wouldn't matter; everyone would have the same problems. But they don't.
    Well, actually they do mate, fairly sure I've seen/heard all but one (and I mean all I watch, can't watch everyone, not enough time in a day) and most mentioned and/or recorded issues more than once. MSD is I think the exception - who is out of this world good, again no idea how he does the things he does but we've all seen his gameplay and we've all seen him beating, sorry not just beating.. shaming other good/top players. So I think we can all agree not to take him/the exception as reference. A game should be playable by the vast majority and not by less than a handful of individuals. Again, I have no issue me or you not being as good as MSD, that is beside the point. I guess you must be watching a different YouTube than the rest of us.
    Ok, please link the youtube videos of skilled players running into glitchy AI issues and complaining about it.
    I will watch them. I want to understand and see the issues. I just don't see any point in emotional venting without any factual support (other than "trust me bro" or "all us bad players agree so you must be wrong because you're not joining our echo chamber").
    Maybe you should play some of us before calling us all bad, I'm confident I could make you blame your losses on some of these "glitches". As for links to aforementioned YouTube vids, just lookup some of the most viewed mcoc channels, off the top of my head - richtheman, kt1, vega, trap - as I've already seen enough and played through same. And just to be clear, I'm not saying the aforementioned players are in top 100 but they are people who've played this game for years on a daily basis (just like myself) and aren't happy with the current state of AI in mcoc. Unless you're saying playing daily regresses one's skill (well that makes sense..). Point is, again, like talking to a brick wall, this game or any other for that matter, isn't meant for a handful of people to enjoy but for the vast majority. And with this I rest my case, I did not post here so that I can prove myself to you or another but in the hopes that kabam staff come across one of the many, many discussions on current state of in-game AI and do something to fix it so that we - all the bad ones - can enjoy the game once more.
    Ok, so basically you can't even link one video to support what you're saying. You just tell me to go to some channels which have hundreds of videos. How convenient....

    In case you are interested in actual gameplay, here's several hours of recent streams from non-MSD players.
    No issues at all like the ones people complain about.
    Isn't that weird??

    https://youtu.be/hu3Srqp35zo

    https://youtu.be/sbeFtcVmEnE
  • UnyonfaceUnyonface Member Posts: 656 ★★★

    XenoMorf said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.

    Yes, the AI isn't the same punching bag it used to be. So your skills haven't deteriorated, they just haven't kept up with the skill improvements in the AI.
    That's why we can watch hours and hours of skilled players on youtube not running into the issues that people on the forums say they run into.
    If it was truly a glitch, skill wouldn't matter; everyone would have the same problems. But they don't.
    Well, actually they do mate, fairly sure I've seen/heard all but one (and I mean all I watch, can't watch everyone, not enough time in a day) and most mentioned and/or recorded issues more than once. MSD is I think the exception - who is out of this world good, again no idea how he does the things he does but we've all seen his gameplay and we've all seen him beating, sorry not just beating.. shaming other good/top players. So I think we can all agree not to take him/the exception as reference. A game should be playable by the vast majority and not by less than a handful of individuals. Again, I have no issue me or you not being as good as MSD, that is beside the point. I guess you must be watching a different YouTube than the rest of us.
    Ok, please link the youtube videos of skilled players running into glitchy AI issues and complaining about it.
    I will watch them. I want to understand and see the issues. I just don't see any point in emotional venting without any factual support (other than "trust me bro" or "all us bad players agree so you must be wrong because you're not joining our echo chamber").
    I’m not attacking you personally, I’m stating you’re dense in the head if you think that the issues don’t exist. Just because top players don’t vent the way others do while a whole lot more players do doesn’t mean they don’t exist either. I don’t have to record when I play to know that the issues are there like so many other players that encounter the same issues. And yes, there are YouTubers like Richtheman and KT1 that have expressed issues that others have stated they have experienced. Just because you don’t want to acknowledge the same as many others experience doesn’t mean squat. You seem to like to banter with everyone and ask for proof of the issues. No 1 needs to provide proof to you since there are more than enough players that experience the same issues.
  • XenoMorfXenoMorf Member Posts: 29

    XenoMorf said:

    XenoMorf said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.

    Yes, the AI isn't the same punching bag it used to be. So your skills haven't deteriorated, they just haven't kept up with the skill improvements in the AI.
    That's why we can watch hours and hours of skilled players on youtube not running into the issues that people on the forums say they run into.
    If it was truly a glitch, skill wouldn't matter; everyone would have the same problems. But they don't.
    Well, actually they do mate, fairly sure I've seen/heard all but one (and I mean all I watch, can't watch everyone, not enough time in a day) and most mentioned and/or recorded issues more than once. MSD is I think the exception - who is out of this world good, again no idea how he does the things he does but we've all seen his gameplay and we've all seen him beating, sorry not just beating.. shaming other good/top players. So I think we can all agree not to take him/the exception as reference. A game should be playable by the vast majority and not by less than a handful of individuals. Again, I have no issue me or you not being as good as MSD, that is beside the point. I guess you must be watching a different YouTube than the rest of us.
    Ok, please link the youtube videos of skilled players running into glitchy AI issues and complaining about it.
    I will watch them. I want to understand and see the issues. I just don't see any point in emotional venting without any factual support (other than "trust me bro" or "all us bad players agree so you must be wrong because you're not joining our echo chamber").
    Maybe you should play some of us before calling us all bad, I'm confident I could make you blame your losses on some of these "glitches". As for links to aforementioned YouTube vids, just lookup some of the most viewed mcoc channels, off the top of my head - richtheman, kt1, vega, trap - as I've already seen enough and played through same. And just to be clear, I'm not saying the aforementioned players are in top 100 but they are people who've played this game for years on a daily basis (just like myself) and aren't happy with the current state of AI in mcoc. Unless you're saying playing daily regresses one's skill (well that makes sense..). Point is, again, like talking to a brick wall, this game or any other for that matter, isn't meant for a handful of people to enjoy but for the vast majority. And with this I rest my case, I did not post here so that I can prove myself to you or another but in the hopes that kabam staff come across one of the many, many discussions on current state of in-game AI and do something to fix it so that we - all the bad ones - can enjoy the game once more.
    Ok, so basically you can't even link one video to support what you're saying. You just tell me to go to some channels which have hundreds of videos. How convenient....

    In case you are interested in actual gameplay, here's several hours of recent streams from non-MSD players.
    No issues at all like the ones people complain about.
    Isn't that weird??

    https://youtu.be/hu3Srqp35zo

    https://youtu.be/sbeFtcVmEnE
    Did you look hard to find 2 videos with zero comments and just a handful of views? I've referenced you guys that are content creators, have tens of thousands of views on a daily basis and similar numbers of subscribers/followers. Or just do a basic search on mcoc ai in youtube, no need to browse through anyone's hundreds of videos. These AI issues don't occur every other minute, at times I can play maybe an hour without running into anything too bad but when they do happen, it's frustrating as all hell. Any logical mind would tell you stats are more relevant and reliable the higher the sample pool. So what you're basically saying is that all the ongoing threads currently on mcoc forum re: AI are all mad and/or poorly skilled people blaming the game just to vent. Kinda hard to believe so many people take time out of their life just to do that, wouldn't you say? And let's just end this here mate as I'm getting really tired trying to get my point across. I'm pleased you aren't running into any issues during gameplay. I do, daily. End of.
  • KoukentsuKoukentsu Member Posts: 20

    XenoMorf said:

    XenoMorf said:

    Lol.. settle down ladies, no need for insults, stay civilized, we're all part of the same (once) great community. Although "dense in the head" is beyond funny, never heard that one before lol.

    Look, we all write here about our own experience in the game, past and present. And nothing anyone can say will convince me that all of the sudden my skills have somehow regressed in the last 6 months after 5-6 years of being at a decent level to say the least. And this isn't bragging, just simple self-assessment. It is a game core issue at fault here or several more likely. I'm not trying to win anything, just hoping to once again enjoy the gameplay, which is also the reason I still post once in a while hoping that Kabam staff will take notice and do something about it. It would be such a shame for this uniquely brilliant game to take a swift dive.

    Yes, the AI isn't the same punching bag it used to be. So your skills haven't deteriorated, they just haven't kept up with the skill improvements in the AI.
    That's why we can watch hours and hours of skilled players on youtube not running into the issues that people on the forums say they run into.
    If it was truly a glitch, skill wouldn't matter; everyone would have the same problems. But they don't.
    Well, actually they do mate, fairly sure I've seen/heard all but one (and I mean all I watch, can't watch everyone, not enough time in a day) and most mentioned and/or recorded issues more than once. MSD is I think the exception - who is out of this world good, again no idea how he does the things he does but we've all seen his gameplay and we've all seen him beating, sorry not just beating.. shaming other good/top players. So I think we can all agree not to take him/the exception as reference. A game should be playable by the vast majority and not by less than a handful of individuals. Again, I have no issue me or you not being as good as MSD, that is beside the point. I guess you must be watching a different YouTube than the rest of us.
    Ok, please link the youtube videos of skilled players running into glitchy AI issues and complaining about it.
    I will watch them. I want to understand and see the issues. I just don't see any point in emotional venting without any factual support (other than "trust me bro" or "all us bad players agree so you must be wrong because you're not joining our echo chamber").
    Here's one vid.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOvaIjXO2Cw
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