No new progression title after 9.2?

Yaron_avivYaron_aviv Member Posts: 63 ★★
I was eagerly awaiting yesterday’s stream as I was fully expecting Kabam drops a new progression title incorporating rank 4s and 9.2 completion.

As someone who completed the 10y challenges, epoch and ordeal, and already received two rank 4s, I was certain 9.2 would have some t7b and that the requirement for this assumed new progression title would be 3 full r4 champs.

Seeing that not only is there no new progression, but that there is a fully available r4 within 9.2 exploration, that t7b fragments are going to be fully available in the super event, the saga and war showcases and saga incursions - and that a full 4 t7b are available for sale on spring cleaning- kind of ticked me off.

I mean, normalizing r4 champs for any valiant player regardless of endgame content completion kind of cheapens all my previous efforts.

Am I alone on this?
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  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,165 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Bendy said:

    It will probs be 9.3 after valiant eq has a few months

    Probably also when they drop or test dynamic difficulty
    Yep thats what i think
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 5,921 ★★★★★
    edited April 5
    I want new title something hard to achieve and not day-1 bang that's very hard to get, need to do multiple quests to achieve it or something.

    Hopefully 7r7 have new title because Valiant title doesn't even have anything exclusive, 90% times we're dogtied with Paragons 🤡

    Imagine new title and have nothing new to it other than goofed up daily crystals with 10% better odds to pull T-4 Alpha shards
  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 6,256 ★★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    So, you want a new progression title when valiant still isn't fully fleshed out?

    He needs separation from the lesser valiants ig
  • AnotherconcernplayerAnotherconcernplayer Member Posts: 54
    If i have to take a guess, new progress would be in 9.4 imo
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,165 ★★★★★

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 8,336 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    I don't mean in content, I mean in events where they just throw us in with a gimmicky charity title.
  • Yaron_avivYaron_aviv Member Posts: 63 ★★
    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    What about July deals?

    Why should I be offered more of the same r3 materials with new valiant players?

    Why should lazy valiant players who did not do epoch or carina or ordeal get offered for units the same r4 materials I get offered?
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,165 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    What about July deals?

    Why should I be offered more of the same r3 materials with new valiant players?

    Why should lazy valiant players who did not do epoch or carina or ordeal get offered for units the same r4 materials I get offered?
    Because they go by title its always been this way and wont change
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,165 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    I don't mean in content, I mean in events where they just throw us in with a gimmicky charity title.
    Im sure that will update also when the whole thing changes with progression and prestige
  • Yaron_avivYaron_aviv Member Posts: 63 ★★

    To OP’s point, I don’t agree that it cheapens your effort. What you’ve done has given you a leg up and allowed you to get r4s out of the gate. The release of materials always catches up after early adopters get theirs, whether it’s in end game content or people dumping $$$ in banquet. The time with that exclusivity has been decreasing lately as well.

    The time of exclusivity has been decreased for sure.

    Epoch was estimated to be 120-150 revives to complete and that was February- 9.2 should be near free content and has similar rewards.

    I know the difficulty level - I completed the beta.

    This is why there should be some type of gate between the top of the game - chasing r4s, not playing with anything less than r3, to valiant players - still playing with mostly r5 ascended six stars and a handful of r3 champs.

  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 6,256 ★★★★★
    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    I don't mean in content, I mean in events where they just throw us in with a gimmicky charity title.
    Im sure that will update also when the whole thing changes with progression and prestige
    I don’t know, one of the selling points of story progression is access to those types of things. Will be interesting to see what happens.
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 9,165 ★★★★★

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    I don't mean in content, I mean in events where they just throw us in with a gimmicky charity title.
    Im sure that will update also when the whole thing changes with progression and prestige
    I don’t know, one of the selling points of story progression is access to those types of things. Will be interesting to see what happens.
    Yeah just have to wait and see what happens
  • Chuck_FinleyChuck_Finley Member Posts: 1,722 ★★★★★

    To OP’s point, I don’t agree that it cheapens your effort. What you’ve done has given you a leg up and allowed you to get r4s out of the gate. The release of materials always catches up after early adopters get theirs, whether it’s in end game content or people dumping $$$ in banquet. The time with that exclusivity has been decreasing lately as well.

    The time of exclusivity has been decreased for sure.

    Epoch was estimated to be 120-150 revives to complete and that was February- 9.2 should be near free content and has similar rewards.

    I know the difficulty level - I completed the beta.

    This is why there should be some type of gate between the top of the game - chasing r4s, not playing with anything less than r3, to valiant players - still playing with mostly r5 ascended six stars and a handful of r3 champs.

    The last title was released on around the cyber event and required exploration of necropolis if I recall correctly. Besides the daily crystals….. there were no sales or much of anything else that really benefited newly minted valiants at that point. Upper tier war and better rosters for BGs were the benefit. Then story came out in the spring and a bunch of people caught up to the new title.

    Kind of feels the same from my perspective (only ever completed necro and epoch) with the exception of those who explored epoch aren’t getting better daily crystals…. But the BG gap is legit.
  • Yaron_avivYaron_aviv Member Posts: 63 ★★

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    I don't mean in content, I mean in events where they just throw us in with a gimmicky charity title.
    Im sure that will update also when the whole thing changes with progression and prestige
    I don’t know, one of the selling points of story progression is access to those types of things. Will be interesting to see what happens.
    It’s not just that.
    It’s segregated items for different progressions in the various in game currency stores.
    And more importantly- it’s the unit deals during sales.

    It’s been 20 months since Valiant was announced (and the only way to get it was necropolis initially). The content completed for r4s was equally hard. It deserves a new progression.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 2,646 ★★★★★
    PT_99 said:

    I want new title something hard to achieve and not day-1 bang that's very hard to get, need to do multiple quests to achieve it or something.

    Hopefully 7r7 have new title because Valiant title doesn't even have anything exclusive, 90% times we're dogtied with Paragons 🤡

    Imagine new title and have nothing new to it other than goofed up daily crystals with 10% better odds to pull T-4 Alpha shards

    Valiant was hard to get day 1
  • Yaron_avivYaron_aviv Member Posts: 63 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    I don't mean in content, I mean in events where they just throw us in with a gimmicky charity title.
    Im sure that will update also when the whole thing changes with progression and prestige
    I don’t know, one of the selling points of story progression is access to those types of things. Will be interesting to see what happens.
    It’s not just that.
    It’s segregated items for different progressions in the various in game currency stores.
    And more importantly- it’s the unit deals during sales.

    It’s been 20 months since Valiant was announced (and the only way to get it was necropolis initially). The content completed for r4s was equally hard. It deserves a new progression.
    That's not how progression works. You don't "deserve" a progression title because you did whatever fill in the blank. Progression titles are for the game as a whole, when they become necessary for the game as a whole.

    I was thinking a while ago that the next progression title might be tied to R4s. But once they came out, that went out the window. Because the whole point of new progression titles is to give players something to work towards. For progressing players, every title is like that, but for the end gamers the only way that happens is if the requirements for the next title are things they haven't overtaken already. And by now, R4s have done that. We can't make the requirement for Valiant+1 be a lot of R4s, because that has to reflect what everyone else eventually has to do in the future. But if it is just two or three of them, a lot of end gamers either already have that, or will the instant they finish 9.2. The next progression title cannot be "explore 9.2 on the day of release and bingo, you're there, the chase is over, and now you get to wait for two years for the next one."

    Doing that would be a waste of a progression rung. The next progression run has to make sense in the long run, but it should also offer some more meaningful chase for the end gamers who will be the first to get there. Exploring Necropolis was kind of like that, insofar as that was not as easy to do as exploring an Act chapter. And you can't count everything else that has already been done, because however impressive any of it was, that's history. It can't count as part of the next progression tier chase if it is already history.

    Long speech but ignoring the game history.

    Paragon came out when r4 6 stars were out the door.

    Thronebreaker came out and was like “do act 6 100% or one run of abyss and it’s yours”.

    So yeah, progression does work exactly like that.
  • Yaron_avivYaron_aviv Member Posts: 63 ★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Bendy said:

    Bendy said:

    I can't wait for new progression title, so the top can be put in reward pools with Paragons, and TBs get kicked to the curb with Cavs and lower.

    Well they wont thats what the new dynamic reward for eq being tied to progression and prestige so those later in the progression wont be with the newer ones its to separate people finally
    I don't mean in content, I mean in events where they just throw us in with a gimmicky charity title.
    Im sure that will update also when the whole thing changes with progression and prestige
    I don’t know, one of the selling points of story progression is access to those types of things. Will be interesting to see what happens.
    It’s not just that.
    It’s segregated items for different progressions in the various in game currency stores.
    And more importantly- it’s the unit deals during sales.

    It’s been 20 months since Valiant was announced (and the only way to get it was necropolis initially). The content completed for r4s was equally hard. It deserves a new progression.
    That's not how progression works. You don't "deserve" a progression title because you did whatever fill in the blank. Progression titles are for the game as a whole, when they become necessary for the game as a whole.

    I was thinking a while ago that the next progression title might be tied to R4s. But once they came out, that went out the window. Because the whole point of new progression titles is to give players something to work towards. For progressing players, every title is like that, but for the end gamers the only way that happens is if the requirements for the next title are things they haven't overtaken already. And by now, R4s have done that. We can't make the requirement for Valiant+1 be a lot of R4s, because that has to reflect what everyone else eventually has to do in the future. But if it is just two or three of them, a lot of end gamers either already have that, or will the instant they finish 9.2. The next progression title cannot be "explore 9.2 on the day of release and bingo, you're there, the chase is over, and now you get to wait for two years for the next one."

    Doing that would be a waste of a progression rung. The next progression run has to make sense in the long run, but it should also offer some more meaningful chase for the end gamers who will be the first to get there. Exploring Necropolis was kind of like that, insofar as that was not as easy to do as exploring an Act chapter. And you can't count everything else that has already been done, because however impressive any of it was, that's history. It can't count as part of the next progression tier chase if it is already history.

    Long speech but ignoring the game history.

    Paragon came out when r4 6 stars were out the door.

    Thronebreaker came out and was like “do act 6 100% or one run of abyss and it’s yours”.

    So yeah, progression does work exactly like that.
    Very few people were able to obtain paragon upon release. It required having completed all content, being in a high tier alliance and having purchased the 7.4 exploration bundle.
    I completely agree!

    This is why I was shocked when I saw materials for a full r4 within 9.2 exploration rewards.

    I had thought it VERY reasonable, if exploration yielded ONE t7b, a new progression would mandate 3 r4 champs, some fragments would be available here and there but spring cleaning offers the other two catalysts, with a promise for difficult content between now and July offers, to get the rest for FTP players.

    That would have been fair, in line with previous progression levels, and would work better to motivate players to progress.

    The way r4s have been introduced post Friday’s stream, the only motivation to get r4s is to have you opponent quit on you during BG draft screen.
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 1,262 ★★★★
    I'm quite in the middle ground regarding a new progression title

    On 1 hand, I have a 0.5 million account valiant joining my alliance months ago and a youtuber just got valiant in under 5 days

    On the other hand, valiant difficulty has yet to launch so a new title would be kinda too early
  • SkunkcabbageSkunkcabbage Member Posts: 543 ★★★
    My feeling is that it'll be 3 x R5 7* now - they've given too many R4 7* to make any meaningful quantity requirement at this point.

    I guess they artificially avoided making a new progression title so that the monthly EQ won't look EVEN more out of touch and irrelevant.
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