the dealbreaker with thor is it's way to easy to ruin his only utility (damage). if you cant stun or armor break or keep armor breaks which happens in a lot of situations, he loses everything.
fun to play but pretty niche.
I agree 100% but I don't get why he gets so much hate when people use and praise Sunspot all the time for the damage alone, he has no utility other than incinerate immunity and perfect block, and has zero defensive value whatsoever. His sole purpose is to be a BGs nuke, it's the same deal with Thor.
theres no way you're saying thor is as good as sunspot 💀💀💀
That is correct that's not what I said at all, I simply stated Thor in his current is a BGs nuke, nothing else.
dude you shot down sunspot's strengths to try and level him with thor in that their "sole purpose is to be a BG nuke"
that is quite literally you saying that you think thor is as good as sunspot
I said Sunspot is little utility all damage, and Thor is also little utility all damage, that is what I mean by "it's the same deal with Thor", not that they're on the same level. At no point did I specifically compare power levels or state one was better or just as strong as the other, you're just mad that I laughed at you for calling Ikaris a potential candidate in a crystal that contains Nick, Apoc and iBom, and if the next champ happens to be Nimrod or Doom/Claire your comment is only going to sound even more absurd lmao.
He just like ikaris just like how you like thor. It's a personal preference. But you act like 7* thor is going to be account changing and meta, which he's not. If hhe's released at his current state, not even 5% of playerbase who get him will be remotely interested him.
You both should give up and stop fighting, it doesn't matter if they put thor Or ikaris Or Annihilius, anyone who is unlucky to pull the cosmic champ out of that crystal is just unlucky. But at least for bgs anihilius could be a sneaky defender.
Show me a single comment where I called him account changing or meta and I'll delete my account permanently right now lol I even said in one of the comments above that he's the filler champ, you even replied to it yourself. I don't want a 7* Thor cause that would mean sig 200 or nothing so no I never said or implied he'll be account changing that's you putting words in my mouth, what I did say however is I don't get the hate in general. He's not at Ikaris level of mediocre for people to be dogging on him that much. He's mid, but not trash, and his ramp certainly doesn't take two whole minutes.
I didn't say you said he's account changing, but you act like if he's released now there's going to be a bunch of people invest on him and use him in bgs, which I strongly disagree.
I mean, does it matter if they put thor Or ikaris there? Imo both are useless and easily the worst (unless the morningstar rumors are true). Iirc you said somewhere in the thread, if apoc can be there then thor also deserves to be there, Which I strongly disagree, again.
I still stand to my statement, No one except a few diehard thor fans, are gonna invest on thor if he gets released in the current state. But for some reason you think he'll be as good as sunspot which is quite funny for me 🤣.
I think the only cosmic option that's exciting for bgs rn, is Annihilius. Or they could tweak cull to shorten his ramp for bgs like how they tweaked ibom, then definitely he could shine.
Thor and ikaris can be there, for sure, but they are the bad pulls (like gwenpool dupe in valentines day giftbox)
the dealbreaker with thor is it's way to easy to ruin his only utility (damage). if you cant stun or armor break or keep armor breaks which happens in a lot of situations, he loses everything.
fun to play but pretty niche.
I agree 100% but I don't get why he gets so much hate when people use and praise Sunspot all the time for the damage alone, he has no utility other than incinerate immunity and perfect block, and has zero defensive value whatsoever. His sole purpose is to be a BGs nuke, it's the same deal with Thor.
theres no way you're saying thor is as good as sunspot 💀💀💀
That is correct that's not what I said at all, I simply stated Thor in his current is a BGs nuke, nothing else.
dude you shot down sunspot's strengths to try and level him with thor in that their "sole purpose is to be a BG nuke"
that is quite literally you saying that you think thor is as good as sunspot
I said Sunspot is little utility all damage, and Thor is also little utility all damage, that is what I mean by "it's the same deal with Thor", not that they're on the same level. At no point did I specifically compare power levels or state one was better or just as strong as the other, you're just mad that I laughed at you for calling Ikaris a potential candidate in a crystal that contains Nick, Apoc and iBom, and if the next champ happens to be Nimrod or Doom/Claire your comment is only going to sound even more absurd lmao.
He just like ikaris just like how you like thor. It's a personal preference. But you act like 7* thor is going to be account changing and meta, which he's not. If hhe's released at his current state, not even 5% of playerbase who get him will be remotely interested him.
You both should give up and stop fighting, it doesn't matter if they put thor Or ikaris Or Annihilius, anyone who is unlucky to pull the cosmic champ out of that crystal is just unlucky. But at least for bgs anihilius could be a sneaky defender.
Show me a single comment where I called him account changing or meta and I'll delete my account permanently right now lol I even said in one of the comments above that he's the filler champ, you even replied to it yourself. I don't want a 7* Thor cause that would mean sig 200 or nothing so no I never said or implied he'll be account changing that's you putting words in my mouth, what I did say however is I don't get the hate in general. He's not at Ikaris level of mediocre for people to be dogging on him that much. He's mid, but not trash, and his ramp certainly doesn't take two whole minutes.
I didn't say you said he's account changing, but you act like if he's released now there's going to be a bunch of people invest on him and use him in bgs, which I strongly disagree.
I mean, does it matter if they put thor Or ikaris there? Imo both are useless and easily the worst (unless the morningstar rumors are true). Iirc you said somewhere in the thread, if apoc can be there then thor also deserves to be there, Which I strongly disagree, again.
I still stand to my statement, No one except a few diehard thor fans, are gonna invest on thor if he gets released in the current state. But for some reason you think he'll be as good as sunspot which is quite funny for me 🤣.
I think the only cosmic option that's exciting for bgs rn, is Annihilius. Or they could tweak cull to shorten his ramp for bgs like how they tweaked ibom, then definitely he could shine.
Thor and ikaris can be there, for sure, but they are the bad pulls (like gwenpool dupe in valentines day giftbox)
You quite literally said "you act like 7* Thor will be account changing and meta", I didn't.
Thor is not as useless as Ikaris, again if you'd watch some videos you'd know. Ikaris has a 90 sec ramp while the other can finish BGs fights in 30 secs as long as he can apply armor break, there is a difference lol.
I didn't say he's as good as Sunspot lmao I said he's the same in the sense that they're both little utility all damage not in power level. Of course Sunspot is better the little utility he has is more relevant than the little utility Thor has. You seem just as dense as the other guy, are you mad we're not getting Hulkling or just woke up on the wrong side of the bed? I thought you would've moved on by now.
I never said Thor wouldn't be a bad pull, I literally told you I don't want one and he's filler for like the fifth time on this thread. I do however acknowledge that at sig 200 he can have some potential for BGs, unlike Ikaris, that's all.
@captain_rogers still expecting Hulkling? If they're not even throwing Scorpion in there, there is zero chance Hulkling is in it. It's either going to be Thor or Annihilus.
Well I have to take the L now I guess?
Happy for ibom, my first science r4 6* and one of my favourites, and the tune up makes him even more desirable
I think claire,anil and nimrod/viv are the other possibile champs now
We're all taking Ls I really thought it was going to be Scorpion.
Anyone who thinks Scorpion, Hulking and FAM are gonna be in this Crystal are delusional.
How so? They literally put "Powerful" on the title and already added Nick, Scorpion seemed like the obvious choice and it would've made sense. FAM and Hulkling are different I knew it wasn't going to be either of them.
Nick isn’t a top 5 skill champ. If they would’ve added Kate Bishop and Kitty Pryde then I would’ve been on board with those other champs being in this crystal.
Nick is top 3 and the only reason he started falling off a bit was because he was 6* locked. Weird that you would call others delusional and then make such a bold claim as "Nick isn't even top 5" when every single Celestial player has him somewhere in the top 3 on every tier list they make even as a 6*.
Who most top players? And don’t get a tier list from 2022 as your “source”. I’m taking Kate, Crossbones, Valk, Shang-Chi, and Kingpin. Before I even look at Fury.
The ones that make tier lists, and I skimmed through 2024-2025 tier lists not 2022. You're absolutely delusional placing both Valk and Shang Chi above Nick, you could make a case for CB since Nick isn't a 7* yet but that will change once he is.
I can’t take you seriously if you think Nick is better than Goatbones. When AAR is one of the most broken abilities in game. I’m not gonna go back and forth with you.
I don’t know who you watch and I don’t care. The fact you use tier lists to form an opinion is hilarious to me. Shows me the lack of game experience on your end to form your own opinion.
I’ll say this last thing and be done. The reason why NF isn’t in MY top 5. His damage is awful in his first life. I LOL when someone called him a duel threat champ. He can only realistically take small health pool champs quickly if you time his 2nd life while defeating the defender to finish at full health. The fact you have to kill him off and then only have him at 30% health for the rest of the quest is also just a huge turnoff to use him any where else in the game. He doesn’t have any utility that makes him stand out or sets him apart from other champs. He just a synergy champ and stall defender in BGs. The other 5 champs I mentioned before have crazy utility that sets them apart from everyone else in their class and are used all over the game.
I literally said CB currently is better, you can't read?
No, I simply agree with them because I'm not biased, the fact that you called Valk and Shang Chi top 5 over Nick is absolutely hilarious.
Damn I wasn't aware BGs made up 80% of game content therefore the others are better because Nick sucks for attack in BGs lmfao you can cry all you want about your opinion, it's not gonna change the fact that overall Nick is better and 90% of the playerbase would agree because they're no biased.
UH-OH!!! so BG'S matter and doesn't matter depending on the character you're defending? Moving the goal post wherever it suits you is really something 😂😂
Suprised no one mentioned Ikaris being a potential candidate
Because he's not a potential candidate lol.
if thor has a chance, ikaris has a chance and the champion too
Thor hits harder than Ikaris and has way shorter ramp, they're on different levels in terms of attack. The both barely have any utility but at least Thor has armor break which is helpful for some annoying techs. You could make an argument on defense but that's it so I don't see how he could have a chance.
"both barely have utility" my brother in christ all thor has is that armour break and 40% shock resistance he's obscenely outdated
ikaris has full shock and incinerate immunity with minor poison resistance, access to extreme amounts of incinerates, can throw special attacks like no tomorrow and has access to more buffs than thor has.
sure thor has more damage and can get fights done faster than ikaris, but ikaris can handle far more fights than thor can.
The only defenders Thor can't handle are the ones with armor break immunity, purifiers (Ikaris can't do those) or the ones that punish buffs (Ikaris can't do those either) so I've no idea what you're even talking about, copium I guess.
areas that Ikaris handles better than Thor:
- Armour Break immune matchups - Shock heavy fights (i.e. Hazard Shift or the node that Epoch Nebula has) - Incinerate heavy fights (i.e. Hazard Shift and others) - Regeneration heavy fights /w despair (far more reliable than outdamaging it) - Buffed Up or buff required matchups (Ikaris gets more buffs far more quickly than Thor can) - Diss Track or debuff required matchups (many incinerate debuffs) - Dust (many incinerate debuffs)
areas that Thor handles better than Ikaris:
- Realm of Legends
And yet he'd still be faster for virtually any BGs matchup cause Ikaris' ramp is almost as bad as War Machine's lmao.
@captain_rogers still expecting Hulkling? If they're not even throwing Scorpion in there, there is zero chance Hulkling is in it. It's either going to be Thor or Annihilus.
Well I have to take the L now I guess?
Happy for ibom, my first science r4 6* and one of my favourites, and the tune up makes him even more desirable
I think claire,anil and nimrod/viv are the other possibile champs now
We're all taking Ls I really thought it was going to be Scorpion.
Anyone who thinks Scorpion, Hulking and FAM are gonna be in this Crystal are delusional.
How so? They literally put "Powerful" on the title and already added Nick, Scorpion seemed like the obvious choice and it would've made sense. FAM and Hulkling are different I knew it wasn't going to be either of them.
Nick isn’t a top 5 skill champ. If they would’ve added Kate Bishop and Kitty Pryde then I would’ve been on board with those other champs being in this crystal.
Nick is top 3 and the only reason he started falling off a bit was because he was 6* locked. Weird that you would call others delusional and then make such a bold claim as "Nick isn't even top 5" when every single Celestial player has him somewhere in the top 3 on every tier list they make even as a 6*.
Who most top players? And don’t get a tier list from 2022 as your “source”. I’m taking Kate, Crossbones, Valk, Shang-Chi, and Kingpin. Before I even look at Fury.
The ones that make tier lists, and I skimmed through 2024-2025 tier lists not 2022. You're absolutely delusional placing both Valk and Shang Chi above Nick, you could make a case for CB since Nick isn't a 7* yet but that will change once he is.
I can’t take you seriously if you think Nick is better than Goatbones. When AAR is one of the most broken abilities in game. I’m not gonna go back and forth with you.
I don’t know who you watch and I don’t care. The fact you use tier lists to form an opinion is hilarious to me. Shows me the lack of game experience on your end to form your own opinion.
I’ll say this last thing and be done. The reason why NF isn’t in MY top 5. His damage is awful in his first life. I LOL when someone called him a duel threat champ. He can only realistically take small health pool champs quickly if you time his 2nd life while defeating the defender to finish at full health. The fact you have to kill him off and then only have him at 30% health for the rest of the quest is also just a huge turnoff to use him any where else in the game. He doesn’t have any utility that makes him stand out or sets him apart from other champs. He just a synergy champ and stall defender in BGs. The other 5 champs I mentioned before have crazy utility that sets them apart from everyone else in their class and are used all over the game.
I literally said CB currently is better, you can't read?
No, I simply agree with them because I'm not biased, the fact that you called Valk and Shang Chi top 5 over Nick is absolutely hilarious.
Damn I wasn't aware BGs made up 80% of game content therefore the others are better because Nick sucks for attack in BGs lmfao you can cry all you want about your opinion, it's not gonna change the fact that overall Nick is better and 90% of the playerbase would agree because they're no biased.
UH-OH!!! so BG'S matter and doesn't matter depending on the character you're defending? Moving the goal post wherever it suits you is really something 😂😂
Suprised no one mentioned Ikaris being a potential candidate
Because he's not a potential candidate lol.
if thor has a chance, ikaris has a chance and the champion too
Thor hits harder than Ikaris and has way shorter ramp, they're on different levels in terms of attack. The both barely have any utility but at least Thor has armor break which is helpful for some annoying techs. You could make an argument on defense but that's it so I don't see how he could have a chance.
"both barely have utility" my brother in christ all thor has is that armour break and 40% shock resistance he's obscenely outdated
ikaris has full shock and incinerate immunity with minor poison resistance, access to extreme amounts of incinerates, can throw special attacks like no tomorrow and has access to more buffs than thor has.
sure thor has more damage and can get fights done faster than ikaris, but ikaris can handle far more fights than thor can.
The only defenders Thor can't handle are the ones with armor break immunity, purifiers (Ikaris can't do those) or the ones that punish buffs (Ikaris can't do those either) so I've no idea what you're even talking about, copium I guess.
areas that Ikaris handles better than Thor:
- Armour Break immune matchups - Shock heavy fights (i.e. Hazard Shift or the node that Epoch Nebula has) - Incinerate heavy fights (i.e. Hazard Shift and others) - Regeneration heavy fights /w despair (far more reliable than outdamaging it) - Buffed Up or buff required matchups (Ikaris gets more buffs far more quickly than Thor can) - Diss Track or debuff required matchups (many incinerate debuffs) - Dust (many incinerate debuffs)
areas that Thor handles better than Ikaris:
- Realm of Legends
And yet he'd still be faster for virtually any BGs matchup cause Ikaris' ramp is almost as bad as War Machine's lmao.
thats odd, my game doesn't look like this
Too bad, mine does.
"Too bad, mine does" was sarcasm in response to the trolling, Drax.
what about ronan is he a seven star if not he could be the cosmic champ
THANK YOU! I’m glad someone didn’t forget.
He’s so ideal for this crystal because like Nick Fury he needs sig 200. So he’s the perfect champion that people will struggle to get him to sig 200 in a good amount of time,
what about ronan is he a seven star if not he could be the cosmic champ
THANK YOU! I’m glad someone didn’t forget.
He’s so ideal for this crystal because like Nick Fury he needs sig 200. So he’s the perfect champion that people will struggle to get him to sig 200 in a good amount of time,
Nick Fury needs sig200 only for defense (is a must tbh) but it doesnt matter for offense, sig 1-20 is enough when he is attacker. Ronan needs high sig to do his Ronan thing on attack, he cant be defender at all.
Long story short please don’t compare Ronan with Nick Fury lol
what about ronan is he a seven star if not he could be the cosmic champ
THANK YOU! I’m glad someone didn’t forget.
He’s so ideal for this crystal because like Nick Fury he needs sig 200. So he’s the perfect champion that people will struggle to get him to sig 200 in a good amount of time,
thats what im saying he is a pretty good champ in his ideal matchups, he can literally cheese so easily just straight up stun lock
what about ronan is he a seven star if not he could be the cosmic champ
THANK YOU! I’m glad someone didn’t forget.
He’s so ideal for this crystal because like Nick Fury he needs sig 200. So he’s the perfect champion that people will struggle to get him to sig 200 in a good amount of time,
Nick Fury needs sig200 only for defense (is a must tbh) but it doesnt matter for offense, sig 1-20 is enough when he is attacker. Ronan needs high sig to do his Ronan thing on attack, he cant be defender at all.
Long story short please don’t compare Ronan with Nick Fury lol
I’m not here to really argue but I think what is said is fair tbh.
You aren’t gonna use Nick Fury on offence before you use him on defence so my point still stands. Sig 200 is necessary for his all use capabilities.
Nick Fury isn’t known for offence (I know he can be decent but don’t make it look like he’s the skill attacking god because he really isn’t) and Ronan isn’t known for defence.
In Nick Fury’s matchups (bleed) he’s good. In Ronan’s matchups (stun) he’s good.
what about ronan is he a seven star if not he could be the cosmic champ
THANK YOU! I’m glad someone didn’t forget.
He’s so ideal for this crystal because like Nick Fury he needs sig 200. So he’s the perfect champion that people will struggle to get him to sig 200 in a good amount of time,
Ronan is not on the same level as Apoc or Nick or Ibom though
Absolutely mind blown they went with Tigra for mystic wtf, this crystal is going to be a rollercoaster. They can go ahead and give us Ikaris or Annihilus I don't care anymore lol does make me wonder about cosmic tho, this is such a curveball Hulkling is a possibility again.
Absolutely mind blown they went with Tigra for mystic wtf, this crystal is going to be a rollercoaster. They can go ahead and give us Ikaris or Annihilus I don't care anymore lol does make me wonder about cosmic tho, this is such a curveball Hulkling is a possibility again.
The caviar is Tigra does need some skill to use her everywhere and not everyone likes her play style. Anyone can use hulkling. On the plus side, we have eliminated what Paul the Octopus considered the wrong option
Absolutely mind blown they went with Tigra for mystic wtf, this crystal is going to be a rollercoaster. They can go ahead and give us Ikaris or Annihilus I don't care anymore lol does make me wonder about cosmic tho, this is such a curveball Hulkling is a possibility again.
The caviar is Tigra does need some skill to use her everywhere and not everyone likes her play style. Anyone can use hulkling
That is a valid argument, I still think she's #1 mystic when you do know how to play her tho so in my opinion Hulkling is not entirely out of the picture. Either we get Hulkling and Viv, or Annihilus/Thor and Nimrod/FAM.
Tigra at high skill does way more broken things than hulkling, and even cgr. I really do not like tigra but this might be a good thing
Exactly my thoughts, in the right hands there are very few fights she can't do, even Hulkling and CGR have their limits but Tigra can only be stopped by very few defenders and nodes compared to the other two. If she wasn't so hard to use she would probably get the Herc treatment and never be released as a 7*.
I will gladly sit down and take the L. I still think Tigra is stronger than Claire tho, was not expecting this at all if anything I thought maybe Doom.
I will gladly sit down and take the L. I still think Tigra is stronger than Claire tho, was not expecting this at all if anything I thought maybe Doom.
Oh yeah she's way faster and stronger. But apparently the issue is when having to limit the champions. Tigra can easily be neutered with force of will or increased AA. But to counter Claire, you'd have to give immunity to buff immunity. Which just seems too specific I guess.
I will gladly sit down and take the L. I still think Tigra is stronger than Claire tho, was not expecting this at all if anything I thought maybe Doom.
Oh yeah she's way faster and stronger. But apparently the issue is when having to limit the champions. Tigra can easily be neutered with force of will or increased AA. But to counter Claire, you'd have to give immunity to buff immunity. Which just seems too specific I guess.
We literally had a node that basically said "you can't use Hercules here" on the vision in the dlx challenge. They really can't be any more specific than that lmao
The way tigra isn't even that hard to play people just want to "MISS" special attacks. I may be over exaggerating but I play cheeilth, dazzler and onslaught frequently so I never had an problems with heavy punishing and I played tigra alot and basically always ran her in war as I was pretty used to her playstyle. I never really missed specials unless the champ has lots of window in the specials for me to set it up or it was that act 8 sersi which I ALSO DESTROYED 😂 I never really took the risk with throwing lights/mediums during specials etc and she performed just fine.
Anyways to play tigra the user has to have lots of knowledge about every defenders animations so she can be a little too much All in all, I'm very excited about tigra and if the remaining 2 classes are as exciting as her, I may spend.
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I mean, does it matter if they put thor Or ikaris there? Imo both are useless and easily the worst (unless the morningstar rumors are true). Iirc you said somewhere in the thread, if apoc can be there then thor also deserves to be there, Which I strongly disagree, again.
I still stand to my statement, No one except a few diehard thor fans, are gonna invest on thor if he gets released in the current state. But for some reason you think he'll be as good as sunspot which is quite funny for me 🤣.
I think the only cosmic option that's exciting for bgs rn, is Annihilius. Or they could tweak cull to shorten his ramp for bgs like how they tweaked ibom, then definitely he could shine.
Thor and ikaris can be there, for sure, but they are the bad pulls (like gwenpool dupe in valentines day giftbox)
Thor is not as useless as Ikaris, again if you'd watch some videos you'd know. Ikaris has a 90 sec ramp while the other can finish BGs fights in 30 secs as long as he can apply armor break, there is a difference lol.
I didn't say he's as good as Sunspot lmao I said he's the same in the sense that they're both little utility all damage not in power level. Of course Sunspot is better the little utility he has is more relevant than the little utility Thor has. You seem just as dense as the other guy, are you mad we're not getting Hulkling or just woke up on the wrong side of the bed? I thought you would've moved on by now.
I never said Thor wouldn't be a bad pull, I literally told you I don't want one and he's filler for like the fifth time on this thread. I do however acknowledge that at sig 200 he can have some potential for BGs, unlike Ikaris, that's all.
Moving the goal post wherever it suits you is really something 😂😂
He’s so ideal for this crystal because like Nick Fury he needs sig 200. So he’s the perfect champion that people will struggle to get him to sig 200 in a good amount of time,
Long story short please don’t compare Ronan with Nick Fury lol
You aren’t gonna use Nick Fury on offence before you use him on defence so my point still stands. Sig 200 is necessary for his all use capabilities.
Nick Fury isn’t known for offence (I know he can be decent but don’t make it look like he’s the skill attacking god because he really isn’t) and Ronan isn’t known for defence.
In Nick Fury’s matchups (bleed) he’s good.
In Ronan’s matchups (stun) he’s good.
I wouldn't mind having Thor in this crystal, for the synergy of boosting Cosmic buff durations for the entire team.
They can go ahead and give us Ikaris or Annihilus I don't care anymore lol does make me wonder about cosmic tho, this is such a curveball Hulkling is a possibility again.
Either we get Hulkling and Viv, or Annihilus/Thor and Nimrod/FAM.
I'll do the honours
She was peak. And every cosmic lane and boss had 200% AAR or aar immunity.
Except that one sersi who I nuked.
I may be over exaggerating but I play cheeilth, dazzler and onslaught frequently so I never had an problems with heavy punishing and I played tigra alot and basically always ran her in war as I was pretty used to her playstyle.
I never really missed specials unless the champ has lots of window in the specials for me to set it up or it was that act 8 sersi which I ALSO DESTROYED 😂
I never really took the risk with throwing lights/mediums during specials etc and she performed just fine.
Anyways to play tigra the user has to have lots of knowledge about every defenders animations so she can be a little too much
All in all, I'm very excited about tigra and if the remaining 2 classes are as exciting as her, I may spend.