They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Yeah if they make a completely different kit where she applies 125% neutralize when a cosmic champ with true focus buff reaches 5% health, or fate seal all buffs when a cosmic champ gains a glancing buff, or applies slow for 2 seconds every 15 hits on the combo meter.
I mean, most champs released these days looks like they have been released only to neuter down the latest defenders with random rpg abilities that make no sense for the character, lol.
Now you're just being overly dramatic, they're not gonna do that lol they said before they're not nerfing any of them to the ground or completely changing their playstyle and kits. They know the backlash they would get if they did so.
Magik is my favorite champion and I wouldn't want her kit to change. However, if the only way to have her as a 7-star is with changes, I'd rather have her change. I haven't been able to use her in anything relevant for over a year.
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Yeah if they make a completely different kit where she applies 125% neutralize when a cosmic champ with true focus buff reaches 5% health, or fate seal all buffs when a cosmic champ gains a glancing buff, or applies slow for 2 seconds every 15 hits on the combo meter.
I mean, most champs released these days looks like they have been released only to neuter down the latest defenders with random rpg abilities that make no sense for the character, lol.
Now you're just being overly dramatic, they're not gonna do that lol they said before they're not nerfing any of them to the ground. They know the backlash they would get if they did so.
I'm sure they won't nerf her to ground, but if she's a completely different champ with no power gain and limbo damage in some form, then I think she'll be a L.
There are high chances she might end up like this especially depending on the next 3-4 cosmic defenders.
I love the character Magik, so I will happily take whatever changes Kabam wants to make so long as she ends up being a good and useful champion that we actually have reason to play.
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Then you're looking at it the wrong way because that is exactly how this overhaul has to be looked at, nobody here is sugar coating anything this is a nerf 100% and everyone has to be clear on that. However, nerf ≠ trash necessarily, they will probably do her justice and leave some of the basics in but they are going to take her from game breaking down top 3. Miike said last year before he left, the goal is to keep most of the playstyle and abilities but take them from broken down to God tier.
They have never made a nerfed champ viable in any kind of relevant content. Switch, Thor, Strange, Namor, Cull to name a few. They always push the nerfs too far. Namor is a great example. Went from the top quick damage champ in the game to only being able to be used as a thorns counter. You can fall asleep ramping him now. Completely unplayable in any relevant content. So I don't believe nerf doesn't equal trash. No prior evidence of that.
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Then you're looking at it the wrong way because that is exactly how this overhaul has to be looked at, nobody here is sugar coating anything this is a nerf 100% and everyone has to be clear on that. However, nerf ≠ trash necessarily, they will probably do her justice and leave some of the basics in but they are going to take her from game breaking down top 3. Miike said last year before he left, the goal is to keep most of the playstyle and abilities but take them from broken down to God tier.
They have never made a nerfed champ viable in any kind of relevant content. Switch, Thor, Strange, Namor, Cull to name a few. They always push the nerfs too far. Namor is a great example. Went from the top quick damage champ in the game to only being able to be used as a thorns counter. You can fall asleep ramping him now. Completely unplayable in any relevant content. So I don't believe nerf doesn't equal trash. No prior evidence of that.
Her nerf really isnt one its an overhaul which would in theory be more playable than the one we have now so for most they will see it as better as being a 5 locked which is bad at this stage is a nerf to her
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Then you're looking at it the wrong way because that is exactly how this overhaul has to be looked at, nobody here is sugar coating anything this is a nerf 100% and everyone has to be clear on that. However, nerf ≠ trash necessarily, they will probably do her justice and leave some of the basics in but they are going to take her from game breaking down top 3. Miike said last year before he left, the goal is to keep most of the playstyle and abilities but take them from broken down to God tier.
They have never made a nerfed champ viable in any kind of relevant content. Switch, Thor, Strange, Namor, Cull to name a few. They always push the nerfs too far. Namor is a great example. Went from the top quick damage champ in the game to only being able to be used for thorns. You can fall asleep ramping him now. Completely unplayable in any relevant content. So I don't believe nerf doesn't equal trash. No prior evidence of that.
That is true, and being skeptical is fair but in this case, I think they know what they're doing and they will make the right choice. They know Magik (as well as Quake and Herc) is a huge deal unlike some of the champs you mentioned, and they also know how much backlash they received for 12.0 which is why I actually trust their words this time. I can guarantee you they don't want another 12.0 situation, I know they make terrible decisions sometimes but they'd have to be completely braindead to do something like that.
Over time, being 5-Star locked seems to have caused folks to forget how truly busted Magik is. 5 Star Magik was being used in competitive Alliance War against maxed out 6 Stars, up until the 7 Star Meta took away her reach.
Releasing Magik in her current form as a 7 Star is not an option - and leaving her locked in 5 Star land isn't going to be beneficial to her, and honestly, isn't great for the game.
The goal is for her to be a powerful Champion that can be used in MCOC for a long time, and I think this is very long overdue.
Mike, I hear you and appreciate your perspective. I agree, having champs locked at certain rarities is understandable, but a problem for the game. The term "overhaul" is the first point that scares me, because if you tune down her limbo damage and reduce the length of her powerlock, that is a slight tune down. Overhaul denotes a more wide-ranging change... and without details, it creates significant uncertainty. I don't know how to fully fix it (maybe polling community or creating multiple tuning models), but I am, as someone who used Magik and loved her through much of early content, I am concerned. Happy there is a possibility she will be released, but concerned.
Secondly, this approach opens the door for the same to be done to other champs. Right now, based on the progress of the game and metas, and with nodes purposefully targeting him there is no reason (imo) to not have Herc, for example, as a 7*. Quake is flat out busted. I get it. Maybe how her concussion works might fix that. But if someone wants to get carpal tunnel syndrome quake and shaking, let them. My point with this is that if this door opens, when will it be utilized again, and how will it impact the champs and game we love?
Thank you all for the work you're doing. I'm looking forward to details on the rework for her. I fully respect your perspective on it. Maybe I am overthinking it or catastrophizing. We need a change to her kit for her to be released, but all I ask is that you keep us all in the loop. Take care.
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Yeah if they make a completely different kit where she applies 125% neutralize when a cosmic champ with true focus buff reaches 5% health, or fate seal all buffs when a cosmic champ gains a glancing buff, or applies slow for 2 seconds every 15 hits on the combo meter.
I mean, most champs released these days looks like they have been released only to neuter down the latest defenders with random rpg abilities that make no sense for the character, lol.
Now you're just being overly dramatic, they're not gonna do that lol they said before they're not nerfing any of them to the ground. They know the backlash they would get if they did so.
I'm sure they won't nerf her to ground, but if she's a completely different champ with no power gain and limbo damage in some form, then I think she'll be a L.
There are high chances she might end up like this especially depending on the next 3-4 cosmic defenders.
When Miike gave us the details last year he made it very clear the changes wouldn't be that dramatic, I know he no longer works for Kabam but I don't see why they would suddenly feel the need to revert that and change her completely when they know 99% of the playerbase is expecting a similar playstyle and abilities just not as broken.
Yes but without an overhaul to her. Just leave her as is but with the new model
No because I want a 7* magik and this is the only way it's happening
What is the point of having Magik if she is not the same ? Just for collection? And she is not broken at all like Herc or Quake. I don't understand why the need to rework her.
Brother, magik is one of the most broken characters in the entire game
She needs the rework power lock is op and so is her limbo on defense. Trust us
Don't trust u. If she that game breaking then ppl would b using her as 5* even. This is just kabam making mountain out of molehill. Remember when they said same thing bout OGSW and OG Wolverine???
She needs the rework power lock is op and so is her limbo on defense. Trust us
Don't trust u. If she that game breaking then ppl would b using her as 5* even. This is just kabam making mountain out of molehill. Remember when they said same thing bout OGSW and OG Wolverine???
As karate mike said it was broken if she was a 7 in this state she would be used reason she doesnt get used is 7s with stat focus having increased cr and stats so no 5 is usable vs a 7 if she was a 7 everyone would use still for a lot of fights as limbo and her power control is still one of the best that needs changin
She needs the rework power lock is op and so is her limbo on defense. Trust us
Don't trust u. If she that game breaking then ppl would b using her as 5* even. This is just kabam making mountain out of molehill. Remember when they said same thing bout OGSW and OG Wolverine???
Then you've never used Magik. She is 100% busted in every category.
She needs the rework power lock is op and so is her limbo on defense. Trust us
Don't trust u. If she that game breaking then ppl would b using her as 5* even. This is just kabam making mountain out of molehill. Remember when they said same thing bout OGSW and OG Wolverine???
You didn't read Mike's comment where he said people were still using her in high tier war even back when 7* first released? How many people were using SW and Wolverine? Blud really out here comparing a champ who can power lock indefinitely with those two 😂
She needs the rework power lock is op and so is her limbo on defense. Trust us
Plenty of champions that act similar for limbo damage already. Atuma as an example.
No. Attuma's thorns damage doesn't compare to Magik's Limbo damage in the slightest. Putting her offensive power-locking uses aside, just never releasing her due to her overpowered Limbo damage on defense has always been the right choice. Attuma's thorns damage only scales with his base attack damage. I don't think that's the case for Magik's Limbo damage. It doesn't say so in her kit, anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if there are no such restrictions because that would explain why it goes so nuts whenever you place her on defense and add some multipliers to her attack stats.
I remember facing her in Incursions back before they quickly removed her from the defender pool, and she was one of the absolutely toughest challenges I've faced in there. I've run into walls before where I didn't read a node combination and came in unprepared, but she didn't even have any hard nodes on her. It was just that, as soon as her Limbo triggered, you were dead within seconds and there was nothing you could do about it.
So I'm actually really excited for this overhaul. Magik is a cool character in the comics so it was always a shame that she got yeeted from the game, and as OP as some of her abilities may be, she also feels very old-school in terms of her abilities. There are so many cool ways to turn her into a modern champion that's actually valuable in today's game, while not being totally broken on both attack and defense. I can't wait to see what they do with her.
Over time, being 5-Star locked seems to have caused folks to forget how truly busted Magik is. 5 Star Magik was being used in competitive Alliance War against maxed out 6 Stars, up until the 7 Star Meta took away her reach.
Releasing Magik in her current form as a 7 Star is not an option - and leaving her locked in 5 Star land isn't going to be beneficial to her, and honestly, isn't great for the game.
The goal is for her to be a powerful Champion that can be used in MCOC for a long time, and I think this is very long overdue.
Hi Mike,
Would there is an option for:-
*All Magik 5* and under still keep their original design *Magik 7* would have the new overhaul
Similar to all the champs in ROL stay they way they were original design while changed version are available in other part of the game.
Not only would it be immensely confusing it would also just mean that only high end players would have access to her new kit which is probably gonna be pretty busted based on what they said
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Then you're looking at it the wrong way because that is exactly how this overhaul has to be looked at, nobody here is sugar coating anything this is a nerf 100% and everyone has to be clear on that. However, nerf ≠ trash necessarily, they will probably do her justice and leave some of the basics in but they are going to take her from game breaking down top 3. Miike said last year before he left, the goal is to keep most of the playstyle and abilities but take them from broken down to God tier.
We don't know a thing about what the kit will be beyond her absurdly op power Control being toned down. She'll probably get a lot more stuff than she has rn
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Yeah if they make a completely different kit where she applies 125% neutralize when a cosmic champ with true focus buff reaches 5% health, or fate seal all buffs when a cosmic champ gains a glancing buff, or applies slow for 2 seconds every 15 hits on the combo meter.
I mean, most champs released these days looks like they have been released only to neuter down the latest defenders with random rpg abilities that make no sense for the character, lol.
Now you're just being overly dramatic, they're not gonna do that lol they said before they're not nerfing any of them to the ground. They know the backlash they would get if they did so.
I'm sure they won't nerf her to ground, but if she's a completely different champ with no power gain and limbo damage in some form, then I think she'll be a L.
There are high chances she might end up like this especially depending on the next 3-4 cosmic defenders.
I recall a certain metallic skin mutant having two distinct kits based solely upon star rarity. So that capability exists.
I really don't understand why an updated Magik means changing the 5* and lower versions. Just update the higher and future rarities.
For me, this isn't about Magik. It's about Quake. This sets a precedent I'm not thrilled with. I still break out good ole Quake now and again to stay polished on her use.
I don't want the old version of her to ever change.
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Then you're looking at it the wrong way because that is exactly how this overhaul has to be looked at, nobody here is sugar coating anything this is a nerf 100% and everyone has to be clear on that. However, nerf ≠ trash necessarily, they will probably do her justice and leave some of the basics in but they are going to take her from game breaking down top 3. Miike said last year before he left, the goal is to keep most of the playstyle and abilities but take them from broken down to God tier.
We don't know a thing about what the kit will be beyond her absurdly op power Control being toned down. She'll probably get a lot more stuff than she has rn
I agree, but no matter what they add remove and keep it will be a nerf regardless. There is no way to make changes that make her better or keep her at the same power level cause right now she's broken. Whatever changes they make they're going to make her less powerful but again, that doesn't mean she will be bottom of the barrel trash they're probably aiming at keeping her top 3 in the mystic class, same dual threat with a very similar playstyle but obviously with more utility tailored around current game mechanics rather than just one big braindead power lock that's basically indefinite.
I recall a certain metallic skin mutant having two distinct kits based solely upon star rarity. So that capability exists.
I really don't understand why an updated Magik means changing the 5* and lower versions. Just update the higher and future rarities.
For me, this isn't about Magik. It's about Quake. This sets a precedent I'm not thrilled with. I still break out good ole Quake now and again to stay polished on her use.
I don't want the old version of her to ever change.
are you seriously comparing a 1* having a different kit than 2/3/4/5/6/7* champions? you really gonna use that 1* colossus? hell no. now a 5star IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. They only kept the old kit on some 1* champions because they were gonna be busted in the Variant 4(You know the one where at the end you are forced to use only 1* champs?)
Over time, being 5-Star locked seems to have caused folks to forget how truly busted Magik is. 5 Star Magik was being used in competitive Alliance War against maxed out 6 Stars, up until the 7 Star Meta took away her reach.
Releasing Magik in her current form as a 7 Star is not an option - and leaving her locked in 5 Star land isn't going to be beneficial to her, and honestly, isn't great for the game.
The goal is for her to be a powerful Champion that can be used in MCOC for a long time, and I think this is very long overdue.
Hope yall do this with Quake next and Herc in the future. Don’t want Hercules to become some relic of the past.
I'm pretty sure they gonna cook with the magic rework. Watch her become the direct counter to Dark phoenix or the trending cosmic defender at that point of time. 🐦🔥🔥
She needs the rework power lock is op and so is her limbo on defense. Trust us
Don't trust u. If she that game breaking then ppl would b using her as 5* even. This is just kabam making mountain out of molehill. Remember when they said same thing bout OGSW and OG Wolverine???
Really don’t understand what argument you are trying to make.
Are you using any 5-stars against 7-stars? If you aren’t, then why would you get worked up about a 5-star champion being changed?
And if you don’t think she is overpowered, she is not a champion that you use anyways, so again, why does it matter if Kabam decides to change her for their stated reasons?
Over time, being 5-Star locked seems to have caused folks to forget how truly busted Magik is. 5 Star Magik was being used in competitive Alliance War against maxed out 6 Stars, up until the 7 Star Meta took away her reach.
Releasing Magik in her current form as a 7 Star is not an option - and leaving her locked in 5 Star land isn't going to be beneficial to her, and honestly, isn't great for the game.
The goal is for her to be a powerful Champion that can be used in MCOC for a long time, and I think this is very long overdue.
As long as she kicks as much ass as she did before (in a more balanced manner) I think we'll be good
As someone who went through the notorious 12.0 Patch Way back in the day, my initial reaction was no don’t do it, but after thinking about it, I’m actually all for the overhaul. This will actually be Magik’s third kit. When she originally hit the game, she was very underwhelming. If you search back far enough on YouTube you will find videos of people complaining about how useless she was so Kabam buffed her into what she is right now. She was my 1st 4* and I used her for so much content. I’m nostalgic for the character, but it’s not like Kabam can nerf the memories I have of using her and I would rather have a usable version of her than a champion I’ll never use another quest ever again. Kabam have also gotten good at buffing Champions. Luke Cage was pretty horrible when he came out (in fact, you can find a Luke Cage diss track made by Dorky Dave and Seatin if you search YouTube). His initial buff was pretty underwhelming but right now he’s a legit champion. I’m confident that Kabam can do the same thing with her, especially with the goal of making her an OP champion just not game breaking like she currently is. Honestly, I’m a little afraid of what they’ll do to her because they will probably want to make her a 5/5 defender and 4/5 attacker
They have to at least pay homage to her original kit. She needs to still be the best power control champ in the game which should be part of her base kit and like her current form put whatever damage and regen abilities in her sig. Anything less than those basic principles will be always looked at as a nerf.
Then you're looking at it the wrong way because that is exactly how this overhaul has to be looked at, nobody here is sugar coating anything this is a nerf 100% and everyone has to be clear on that. However, nerf ≠ trash necessarily, they will probably do her justice and leave some of the basics in but they are going to take her from game breaking down top 3. Miike said last year before he left, the goal is to keep most of the playstyle and abilities but take them from broken down to God tier.
They have never made a nerfed champ viable in any kind of relevant content. Switch, Thor, Strange, Namor, Cull to name a few. They always push the nerfs too far. Namor is a great example. Went from the top quick damage champ in the game to only being able to be used as a thorns counter. You can fall asleep ramping him now. Completely unplayable in any relevant content. So I don't believe nerf doesn't equal trash. No prior evidence of that.
Things have changed. They will never do something like that again. Magik is not the strongest champion in the game, the changes could make her even stronger or more relevant within the class. From my point of view, her biggest problem is Limbo. Imagine a 7 r4, almost 130,000 HP. You get hit, she activates Limbo and regenerates everything, that's absurd in itself. Limbo's damage in modes like battlegrounds is ridiculous. I've even used the 5 star in some metas and people with 7 r3 attackers lost 20% HP just to Limbo. Her power lock is very strong, but any tenacity, purification or debuff immunity node can be dealt with very easily. However, in the Alliance War Dauntless season, the one where specials gave root and a lot of damage, I did a Joe Fixit 7 r2 in the conflict, which was the old node 48 with Magik, without any amplifier and entering with 40% health. It was unbelievable.
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However, if the only way to have her as a 7-star is with changes, I'd rather have her change. I haven't been able to use her in anything relevant for over a year.
There are high chances she might end up like this especially depending on the next 3-4 cosmic defenders.
Secondly, this approach opens the door for the same to be done to other champs. Right now, based on the progress of the game and metas, and with nodes purposefully targeting him there is no reason (imo) to not have Herc, for example, as a 7*. Quake is flat out busted. I get it. Maybe how her concussion works might fix that. But if someone wants to get carpal tunnel syndrome quake and shaking, let them. My point with this is that if this door opens, when will it be utilized again, and how will it impact the champs and game we love?
Thank you all for the work you're doing. I'm looking forward to details on the rework for her. I fully respect your perspective on it. Maybe I am overthinking it or catastrophizing. We need a change to her kit for her to be released, but all I ask is that you keep us all in the loop. Take care.
If she that game breaking then ppl would b using her as 5* even.
This is just kabam making mountain out of molehill.
Remember when they said same thing bout OGSW and OG Wolverine???
I remember facing her in Incursions back before they quickly removed her from the defender pool, and she was one of the absolutely toughest challenges I've faced in there. I've run into walls before where I didn't read a node combination and came in unprepared, but she didn't even have any hard nodes on her. It was just that, as soon as her Limbo triggered, you were dead within seconds and there was nothing you could do about it.
So I'm actually really excited for this overhaul. Magik is a cool character in the comics so it was always a shame that she got yeeted from the game, and as OP as some of her abilities may be, she also feels very old-school in terms of her abilities. There are so many cool ways to turn her into a modern champion that's actually valuable in today's game, while not being totally broken on both attack and defense. I can't wait to see what they do with her.
i am not gonna pay 200-300k of radiance to buy their nerf version of magik even if she in 7*
I really don't understand why an updated Magik means changing the 5* and lower versions. Just update the higher and future rarities.
For me, this isn't about Magik. It's about Quake. This sets a precedent I'm not thrilled with. I still break out good ole Quake now and again to stay polished on her use.
I don't want the old version of her to ever change.
You can always tell who has used her in the past and who really hasn't.
now a 5star IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY. They only kept the old kit on some 1* champions because they were gonna be busted in the Variant 4(You know the one where at the end you are forced to use only 1* champs?)
Are you using any 5-stars against 7-stars? If you aren’t, then why would you get worked up about a 5-star champion being changed?
And if you don’t think she is overpowered, she is not a champion that you use anyways, so again, why does it matter if Kabam decides to change her for their stated reasons?
They will never do something like that again.
Magik is not the strongest champion in the game, the changes could make her even stronger or more relevant within the class.
From my point of view, her biggest problem is Limbo.
Imagine a 7 r4, almost 130,000 HP. You get hit, she activates Limbo and regenerates everything, that's absurd in itself.
Limbo's damage in modes like battlegrounds is ridiculous. I've even used the 5 star in some metas and people with 7 r3 attackers lost 20% HP just to Limbo.
Her power lock is very strong, but any tenacity, purification or debuff immunity node can be dealt with very easily. However, in the Alliance War Dauntless season, the one where specials gave root and a lot of damage, I did a Joe Fixit 7 r2 in the conflict, which was the old node 48 with Magik, without any amplifier and entering with 40% health. It was unbelievable.