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War node 2 season 58 bugged
CoMinow
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Power snack is nullifying buffs it shouldn’t. I’m using Angela. My Angela has a 33.5% to not be nullified per buff. The Odin synergy gives you 3 buffs bringing her over 100% at the start of the fight. Negating power snack everywhere else in the game. Everywhere else (including old AW). At the start of any other power snack 3 fight nullify is prevented. The node does not say “unaffected by ability accuracy”. So there is no reason for this node to function differently than anywhere else where it exists.
When playing 7.2.2 on the power snack lane there is also a disorient which DOES affect ability accuracy, and yet nullify never triggers even when purposely trying to make it trigger.
Angela should not be getting nullified by this node
Either it is bugged or every single location of power snack that already exists or has ever existed are not functioning as intended and i would like to know which is true. It can not be both.
I realize that she is not immune to nullify and therefore might not get charges. However; anywhere else in the game, when an effect is prevented the benefit for being immune is gained. I am not concerned with the charges, although i do believe preventing nullify from triggering should award charges. It’s not the BUG i am paying this about.
When playing 7.2.2 on the power snack lane there is also a disorient which DOES affect ability accuracy, and yet nullify never triggers even when purposely trying to make it trigger.
Angela should not be getting nullified by this node
Either it is bugged or every single location of power snack that already exists or has ever existed are not functioning as intended and i would like to know which is true. It can not be both.
I realize that she is not immune to nullify and therefore might not get charges. However; anywhere else in the game, when an effect is prevented the benefit for being immune is gained. I am not concerned with the charges, although i do believe preventing nullify from triggering should award charges. It’s not the BUG i am paying this about.
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It’s the same node in both fights!! Power snack 3!!! Idgaf about the charges from being immune
This is what you’re referring to right? So if that’s true then no nodes or outside forces would matter. Correct? It says combat power rate! Correct?
Ok so how come his combat power rate is affected?
9 hits no power
2 people that can’t read and don’t look at pics
Go use Angela on power snack 3… anywhere in the game.. try it, and understand that she doesn’t need to be immune to never have power snack nullify her and award power to the defender
You have to understand that it isn't a "no outside forced matter", but a very specific, "combat power rate cannot be reduced."
For example, if you have a power lock, no amount of hits will give you power. That does not mean that his combat power rate has been reduced.
In Matador the node won't let you gain power
Do you understand the word modified?
Alter, CHANGE, reduce, LIMIT, enhance
It says can not be modified
Can not be changed
Do you know what “His own effects” mean
I get it … you love Kabam and the great geniuses that make it so your life can be this game. While showing you to live and troll on forums for those you worship.
However; words have meaning and set definitions that don’t change. Games have rules. Here are some facts
When he’s on offense his kit didn’t change or override the node.
The node isn’t part of his kit
The rules of the node won over his kit
Which clearly reads that it can not be changed or altered by anything other than himself.
No matter how you phrase what you’re saying. Not gaining power while attacking is an adjustment to your COMBAT POWER RATE. You have a set rate. If that rate is changed IN ANYWAY it’s been MODIFIED
The node ignores his kit
The nodes effects are not his personal effects
I hope trolling me, ignoring the proof in front of you and generally being a Richard for the purposes of schadenfreude have brought you great pleasure and given your life meaning. Maybe, in the future. If you don’t think something is a bug that’s been reported ignore it, instead of crapping on people and being a smartass. Because you’re not the designer you’re not the expert and it’s not based on your intentions and maybe because you clearly don’t understand very simple words.
Angela also works on at least one other power snack lane as intended
Making it 2 for sure and only 2 because I’m not combing through the entire game to prove a stranger wrong… good luck in future trolling endeavors and i hope you continue to find meaning in talking trash to complete strangers
This is exactly what’s wrong with the forums
A moderator should have responded with something very simple and noncommittal like
“Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention. IF this is not functioning as intended, I’m sure our game team will look into it and make any necessary adjustments “
Then we wouldn’t have inter-player arguments over nonsense. Maybe your customers wouldn’t feel harassed by chuckleheads and trolls
Angela's sig ability reduces Nullify ability accuracy. Zola's ability accuracy cannot be modified. Power snack is working as intended. You are trying to reduce an ability that cannot be reduced.
Your other power snack fight is again vulture, who can have his ability accuracy modified, so Angela works.
Next time try using Overseer there. He is nullify immune and his heavy reach works well into zola.
“Kits don’t affect the nodes / the node isn’t part of his kit”- Nodes have always been considered a part of the defending champion’s kit, barring more recent champions who have explicit delineations about abilities only interacting with base champion abilities and not nodes (see the many confused posts about Red Skull’s “nullify immunity” not working against nodes like Power snack). This is why Archangel was so famous for using his AAR to shut down every problem in the game, nodes included, oftentimes to his detriment as well when the node happened to be beneficial. This is exactly the same thing as is happening with Angela here, she reduces the AA of the node… until she comes along to a champion whose AA can’t be modified.
“Not gaining power is an adjustment to your combat power rate… if it’s been changed it’s been modified”- No, different things can have similar effects but work on different mechanisms. Average_Desi gave you a very cogent example in power lock working much like combat power rate reduction but being different named effects and thus having different interactions, but there’s other examples. Take Crush; it by all means just makes your attacks unblockable, but it’s explicitly not a named capital U Unblockable effect so no effects like Steadfast which bypass Unblockable attacks work against Crush. The Matador node doesn’t mention Combat Power Rate so it isn’t a modification of Combat Power Rate as far as the game works.
“The node effects are not his personal effects”- This is kinda tied to the previous point but I wanted to call specific attention to it. Yes the node is not a personal effect, that’s the entire point of the specification “personal” in MCOC terminology. That doesn’t change the fact that nodes are treated as part of the champion kit until explicitly noted otherwise, often by using the term “personal”. Zola’s ability to ignore AA modification does not mention that it only extends to “personal” abilities, so it also protects nodes attached to him. See Arcade here illustrating the difference:
His Game Wizard prefight (always active as a defender) specifically indicates that it only prevents his “personal” damaging debuffs from having their duration reduced. You’ll often see Arcades placed on a Hazard Shift node. While Angela can be used against him on such placements since her sig ability reduces the duration of the Hazard Shift debuffs to 0, she can’t do so with Arcade’s debuffs from his own kit (e.g. the Poison debuffs from the poisonous cloud) because those “personal” debuffs are protected while the node debuffs aren’t. Zola makes no distinction with his own ability, so his works with anything.
“Angela also works on one other Power Snack lane as intended”- others have already tried to explain this to you, but yeah things work differently depending on the matchup. When Angela works on other Power Snack nodes, that is intentional and correct. When she doesn’t work on Zola with Power Snack, that is intentional and correct. These aren’t contradictory statements. This isn’t any different than, say, Kingpin being able to purify Hazard Shift debuffs against most champions but all of a sudden not being able to work against Hazard Shift Apoc because he reduces Kingpin’s purify AA.
“{the game mechanics are} not based on your intentions…”- Sure isn’t, just like it isn’t based on your presumptions either. This is correct behavior, and it’s not gonna change just because you think it shouldn’t work that way. What makes you the expert here anyways and everyone else the troglodytes who don’t know better?
This is a place for discussion and help. If you dont like help, this may not be the place for you.
Folks in this thread have clearly tried to help you with very well written reasoning. The quality of the thread is actually very high.