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Event Quest Titles: a legal analysis

DinoHop05DinoHop05 Member Posts: 113 ★★★
Do you always read the monthly event quest titles and wonder what their theme is?

Me neither, I think they're dumb and a waste of time. BUT this month they caught my eye! They are:

* Offer
* Acceptance
* Awareness
* Consideration
* Capacity
* Legality

Yeah yeah, they make no sense, right? WRONG. They're six of my favorite things. For this deep dive into something no one else but me cares about, I'll take off my myriad other hats to wear that of: *attorney*. These six things are **the essential elements of a contract.** Basically if you want a court to enforce an agreement you made, you better be able to show all six of these things are present (or conversely if you want to wiggle out of an agreement, show that one of these is deficient). Let's chat about each one:

1. **Offer** - pretty straightforward, a party needs to make the terms of the potential agreement known. You can't walk up to a car dealer and say, "yes I'll buy a Range Rover for $30!" They didn't offer that, so no contract. There needs to be a set of duties and responsibilities each party has.

2. **Acceptance** - also straightforward, the other party needs to actually affirm that they're going to assume the offer's duties and responsibilities. Guy on the street waving a sign about discount furniture can't ship said furniture to your house if you walk by him silently. Only after you say, "yes I'll buy your broken couch" does his offer to sell it becomes accepted.

3. **Awareness** - now we're diving into the legalese. There's only a contract when both parties know they're entering into an agreement. This is known as the "meeting of the minds." The classic example is the agreement for party A to sell "The Voyager" to party B. If party B thinks "The Voyager" is a 300 foot yacht, while party A thinks "The Voyager" is a replica Star Trek model, there wasn't awareness of what the parties were actually agreeing to do.

4. **Consideration** - a contract becomes enforceable only if both sides exchange value. A gift isn't a contract, because both sides aren't taking some duty/responsibility. You must have a bargained-for exchange. Consideration can be small, i.e. you can sell a building for a dollar. But it can't be nothing.

5. **Capacity** - each party must have the ability to come to an agreement. You can't contract with a person who's braindead (literally, I don't mean that alliancemate who took your AW fight against Sentinel who died 4 times while you sat there with Vox I'M NOT MAD I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND). A person can't enter a contract in English if they only speak Spanish. As you might guess, there are often fixes to this element, such as a guardian for a minor or a translator for someone speaking another language.

6. **Legality** - we're done with the complex terms and back to simple. Contracts need to follow the law to be enforceable, meaning courts won't uphold a contract to sell drugs or hire a hitman. Similarly they won't uphold an agreement made under duress or undue influence. This is often called the "public policy" argument, and it's the last line of attack if someone wants to claim the agreement isn't valid.


There you go! All the elements you need to make a binding contract hold up in court, or a nice arsenal of options if you want to avoid the stupid deal you made previously. When I was in law school, contracts was easily my favorite class, so I enjoyed this nice little trip into the recesses of my mind. Contract law is great man.

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  • GlassbackGlassback Member Posts: 887 ★★★★
    edited June 6
    Very nice mate, cheers. I wonder how they select the topics?

    I’m only ever any good with the ones that appear to be song names!
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,684 ★★★★★
    How did they go from Bourne Identity movie titles to contract law? I want some of whatever the person in charge is taking...
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,475 ★★★★★
    Interesting post, but I have a doubt with point 4.

    If I am willing to sell my house for "free" to person B and B is willing to buy my house for "free" and both are well aware of the deal, and the deal does not violate any law, then it is still a contract right? So why there must be a consideration?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,684 ★★★★★

    Interesting post, but I have a doubt with point 4.

    If I am willing to sell my house for "free" to person B and B is willing to buy my house for "free" and both are well aware of the deal, and the deal does not violate any law, then it is still a contract right? So why there must be a consideration?

    I am no lawyer but I think in that case you gotta put a symbolic value as ridiculous as it may sound. Not free but sell your house for 1 cent.
  • DinoHop05DinoHop05 Member Posts: 113 ★★★

    Interesting post, but I have a doubt with point 4.

    If I am willing to sell my house for "free" to person B and B is willing to buy my house for "free" and both are well aware of the deal, and the deal does not violate any law, then it is still a contract right? So why there must be a consideration?

    So legally, you're not "selling" a house if it's done for free. A bedrock principle of contract law is that there's an exchange of value between the parties. What you're describing is just a gift. It's not good, bad, or otherwise, it's just not an enforceable contract because one party isn't providing consideration to the other. You can make what might otherwise be a gift into an enforceable contract by providing some value, because a court won't get into deciding whether the value is "equal" or not, it'll just determine whether there's that important bargained-for exchange. So you if you agree to sell the house for a dollar, or for the opportunity to visit the buyer's farm once a week to feed the chickens and enjoy the outdoors, or some other thing the buyer is providing, you'll find yourself out of gift-giving and back in the world of contract law.

    PS just because there isn't a contract doesn't mean you're SOL. There are other legal principles you may be able to use, such as promissory estoppel ("I relied on you making a specific promise, so the Court should still enforce the agreement even though there's no legal contract"). That's beyond the scope of this, but rest assured, common law in most countries provides ways to receive "justice" if you're wronged in a deal gone sideways, even when a contract doesn't exist.
  • XlebXleb Member Posts: 868 ★★★
    edited June 6
    There is ALWAYS a meaning to each month's EQ titles and it's tied into the overall plot of the whole event (this month it's the deal with Dormammu, he actually made a contract with Nico and Karolina), but I can't forget last May, when the plot was "train robbery" and the tittles EQ was like this:
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 21,036 Guardian

    Interesting post, but I have a doubt with point 4.

    If I am willing to sell my house for "free" to person B and B is willing to buy my house for "free" and both are well aware of the deal, and the deal does not violate any law, then it is still a contract right? So why there must be a consideration?

    To amplify what DinoHop is saying, a contract is a legal construct, in other words, there’s a law (a set of then) that specify what makes them legal. Why have such things as contracts? To protect people who make deals where both sides exchange something of value, and thus both sides need to be protected from one side trying to break the deal.

    We could pass a law tomorrow eliminating the need for consideration, but imagine the chaos that could ensue. I promise to buy you lunch next time we meet then I don’t, have I broken a legal contract? I promise my kids they get the house when I die then change my mind and sell it, is that legal?

    We want to legally protect situations where both sides actively participate in the deal the contract describes, so both sides need to be protected. When one side is contributing and the other side isn’t, the legal view is there’s nothing to protect. One side is just being a nice guy, and we’re not going to legally punish him if he changes his mind.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 21,036 Guardian

    Interesting post, but I have a doubt with point 4.

    If I am willing to sell my house for "free" to person B and B is willing to buy my house for "free" and both are well aware of the deal, and the deal does not violate any law, then it is still a contract right? So why there must be a consideration?

    Also, and this is a layman’s perspective here (IANAL) consideration mirrors another legal requirement, that of a civil claim.

    To sue someone, you need to generally state (and prove) four things:

    1. The other guy had some legal obligation to you
    2. They failed.
    3. This caused you some problems
    4. Those problems ended up costing you something.

    The legal terms are Duty, Breach, Causation, and Damages.. Consideration is analogous to Damages. In a contract both sides must put up something of value or it isn’t valid. When you sue, you must state that you actually lost something of value or the claim isn’t valid.

    There are exceptions and technicalities, but in general (civil) courts are in the business of fixing problems they can actually step in and fix, and most of them revolve around people losing things of value and asking the courts to remedy that loss. In one sense, a contract is a way to create a new legal obligation besides the normal ones the law usually creates (like the don’t make defective products one, the don’t set people’s house on fire one, etc). Damages are what makes the breaking of a legal obligation something the legal system should step in on to address. Consideration is what creates a new legal obligation in the first place.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,029 ★★★★★
    The funny looking guy in the stream seemed like he put a lot of effort in the story part of the game.
    We saw him in 2 streams with Jax.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 2,742 ★★★★★

    The funny looking guy in the stream seemed like he put a lot of effort in the story part of the game.
    We saw him in 2 streams with Jax.

    The one with their own show?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,684 ★★★★★

    The funny looking guy in the stream seemed like he put a lot of effort in the story part of the game.
    We saw him in 2 streams with Jax.

    The one with their own show?
    Better Call Saul?
  • XlebXleb Member Posts: 868 ★★★

    The funny looking guy in the stream seemed like he put a lot of effort in the story part of the game.
    We saw him in 2 streams with Jax.

    This is Tyler, aka Kabam Vin_Cent, aka the goat writer
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 8,029 ★★★★★

    The funny looking guy in the stream seemed like he put a lot of effort in the story part of the game.
    We saw him in 2 streams with Jax.

    The one with their own show?
    I don't remember the name. The intense 'happy go lucky' dude. He was the lead I think.

    The funny looking guy in the stream seemed like he put a lot of effort in the story part of the game.
    We saw him in 2 streams with Jax.

    The one with their own show?
    Better Call Saul?
    Probably yes lol, with a lil bit bigger built.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 9,057 ★★★★★
    You're legally skilled.

    Iykyk
  • DinoHop05DinoHop05 Member Posts: 113 ★★★

    This is the kind of content that makes forums great :D

    I'm here to entertain! Put in more legal Easter eggs for me to find. Believe me, there's more than enough material to use.
  • JediJones77JediJones77 Member Posts: 276 ★★
    I thought this was going to be about when some of them quote song lyrics. Always wondered if they'd get sued over that, because the music industry is insane about everything. You couldn't title a movie with a song lyric without getting sued, probably.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,684 ★★★★★
    Contract law named EQ, nuclear enforcement of ToS with a massive ban hammer. Coincidence?
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