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Who is the Better Dual Threat? Jean or Spider Woman

PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,618 ★★★★★
edited June 21 in General Discussion
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Who is the Better Dual Threat? Jean or Spider Woman 118 votes

Jean Grey
57%
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Spider Woman
42%
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  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,618 ★★★★★
    Looks like the community is torn on this one. Dead even split (common with my polls)
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,253 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman
    Let's see here

    Jean has Reverse Controls, plus a forcefield that can tank a lot of damage with a relatively short cooldown. The Reverse Controls can catch anyone off guard if they do not have an RC immune like Jack o Lantern.

    Spider Woman has Evade, Inequity mastery, and Fumble (prevents dexterity from being used during specials)
  • Cloudddey_broCloudddey_bro Member Posts: 703 ★★★★
    Jean is a harder defender. If not running the rare amount of reverse control immune champions you have to be locked in and pretty much all times.
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  • MaskedLegendMaskedLegend Member Posts: 129 ★★
    Spider Woman
    From my experience fighting them jean isn't too hard as long as you aren't using a champ that relies on crits but spiderwoman can get out of hand. Haven't tested them on attack though.
  • FaustOutLoudFaustOutLoud Member Posts: 38
    Jean Grey
    Polygon said:

    In BGs

    I have Jean at r4 sig60 and Spider Woman at r3 sig40 Both are Phenomenal. I'd say Jean takes the take with her damage mitigation and also having to play in Reverse controls but Apoder Woman has that evade and that can also be a Problem but I think its Jean but both are awesome 👌 and Amazing champ 🏆.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,618 ★★★★★
    Looks like Jean is running away with it. Ive been banning spider woman since i dont have her, but heard you can just push her to sp2 to ignore the fumble. Then again she still has evade so probably slow fight if you do short combos?
  • GrO_otGrO_ot Member Posts: 54
    Returning player, deleted my 7.2 mill Valiant and mini account some months ago. Started a new one 2 weeks ago, explored act 5 yesterday.

    I pulled a 6* Spider Woman from the act 5 exploration rewards, she was not in the game when I quit…any good ? Tips ?
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,324 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    Let's see here

    Jean has Reverse Controls, plus a forcefield that can tank a lot of damage with a relatively short cooldown. The Reverse Controls can catch anyone off guard if they do not have an RC immune like Jack o Lantern.

    Spider Woman has Evade, Inequity mastery, and Fumble (prevents dexterity from being used during specials)

    Spider woman is rough for sure but Jean is deceptive. Her forcefield at r3 or 4 takes a while to chip down and she can really be tough to get down in 2 minutes
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 11,253 ★★★★★
    Spider Woman

    EdisonLaw said:

    Let's see here

    Jean has Reverse Controls, plus a forcefield that can tank a lot of damage with a relatively short cooldown. The Reverse Controls can catch anyone off guard if they do not have an RC immune like Jack o Lantern.

    Spider Woman has Evade, Inequity mastery, and Fumble (prevents dexterity from being used during specials)

    Spider woman is rough for sure but Jean is deceptive. Her forcefield at r3 or 4 takes a while to chip down and she can really be tough to get down in 2 minutes
    Gotta use someone with high damage to get through it
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,324 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    EdisonLaw said:

    Let's see here

    Jean has Reverse Controls, plus a forcefield that can tank a lot of damage with a relatively short cooldown. The Reverse Controls can catch anyone off guard if they do not have an RC immune like Jack o Lantern.

    Spider Woman has Evade, Inequity mastery, and Fumble (prevents dexterity from being used during specials)

    Spider woman is rough for sure but Jean is deceptive. Her forcefield at r3 or 4 takes a while to chip down and she can really be tough to get down in 2 minutes
    Gotta use someone with high damage to get through it
    I have been, in bgs, and it's tough. Until you've actually fought a r4 Jean in bgs with a2 minute time limit its pretty hard to explain what you need to do to fight them lmao
  • Sachhyam257Sachhyam257 Member Posts: 1,403 ★★★★
    Spider Woman
    I love jean, she's one of my favourite new champs for sure. Both are insane dual threats. I'd say on offense they're both very effective, they do very different things so I can't compare them head-to-head. Apples to Oranges. As for defense:

    Maybe it's because I'm more comfortable with reverse controls, but Jean isn't too bad if you keep an eye out for the tells (when the controls might switch— force field depletion, after 1st hit of her specials). You don't necessarily need a counter for her, maybe someone that isn't crit reliant would be fine. Her force field can be a bit of a time sponge, but champs with good burst dmg or dot can take it down at a good pace. A tricky defender with more of a skill ask than an rpg one.

    Spider woman on the other hand, I've found her to be extremely annoying to fight. Maybe it's because I'm not fighting her correctly, but she's a menace with her fumble (dex fail), inequity, power stings, and evade. Without a counter to her debuffs or evade, she's very annoying to deal with. That said, counters like Mantis and Okoye shut her down completely. So, for her I think it depends on whether you're able to draft a champ to deal with her defensive annoyances. If so, she's a lot easier, if not she's tougher imo.

    For example: I've fought both champs with my r3 Vox, I could take down a 7* r4 Jean with a decent score after learning her defensive kit, but I timed out vs a 6* r5 ascended Spider woman. They were in different metas, but that didn't really affect Vox's offense nor give Jean/Spider woman an edge over the other defensively, so I think it's a decent point of comparison.

    TLDR; Both great offensively, but defensively one has a skill ask, the other an rpg one. Jean's difficulty remains at a similar level across champs, but Spider woman's varies with counters.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,618 ★★★★★
    So in terms of offense where do we rate Spider Women relative to the other dual threat Science ,

    Pig > spider woman > photon?
  • Toproller89Toproller89 Member Posts: 2,244 ★★★★★
    Jean Grey
    Polygon said:

    So in terms of offense where do we rate Spider Women relative to the other dual threat Science ,

    Pig > spider woman > photon?

    You reckon Pig even qualifies as dual threat?
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,569 ★★★★★
    Jean Grey

    Polygon said:

    So in terms of offense where do we rate Spider Women relative to the other dual threat Science ,

    Pig > spider woman > photon?

    You reckon Pig even qualifies as dual threat?
    Yeah he's tough to fight without a evade counter.
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,618 ★★★★★

    Polygon said:

    So in terms of offense where do we rate Spider Women relative to the other dual threat Science ,

    Pig > spider woman > photon?

    You reckon Pig even qualifies as dual threat?
    Yep, power sting and evade, also i heard hes still a faster attacker than spider woman. Not sure who takes more matchups though
  • Ragnaruk5178Ragnaruk5178 Member Posts: 689 ★★★
    Obviously ham is a dual threat
  • Ragnaruk5178Ragnaruk5178 Member Posts: 689 ★★★
    edited June 23
    He has evade increased physical resistance places power stings has the inequity mastery and reduces special damage by a a LOT, and this is made even worse by the inequity. I’ve seen Ham tank sp3s with almost no damage on attack because of that special ability
  • Razorlord7Razorlord7 Member Posts: 159
    Red Hulk better
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 13,569 ★★★★★
    Jean Grey
    Just pulled spider women. Is she r3 worthy unduped?
  • PolygonPolygon Member Posts: 5,618 ★★★★★

    Just pulled spider women. Is she r3 worthy unduped?

    Yes
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