I can’t see how. We have Titania, Silk, Ham, Spider Woman, etc. All amazing champs that can take a lot more than mystic defenders super fast (and mystic isn’t even close to one of the best defensive classes anymore). He’ll melt mystics and stuff but again I think there are way better champs
I watched all the videos and the levels of overhype are genuinely insane. Broken this and that and stuff
Feel like it’s gonna be the same case with Doom when he drops. These champs aren’t even close to the top anymore imo
7* Doom is gonna be a menace on defense, his stats, except for health are among the strongest in the mystic class and as a 7* with additional Challenger rating he's gonna be even stronger.
For thronebreakers maybe
The new champs Kabam is designing seem way more broken than the old champs they're releasing as 7s. Like I watched a showcase of Karolina Dean the other day, and she was able to finish close to 100% health against both Bullseye and Serpent. Nico looks OP too.
I can’t see how. We have Titania, Silk, Ham, Spider Woman, etc. All amazing champs that can take a lot more than mystic defenders super fast (and mystic isn’t even close to one of the best defensive classes anymore). He’ll melt mystics and stuff but again I think there are way better champs
I watched all the videos and the levels of overhype are genuinely insane. Broken this and that and stuff
Feel like it’s gonna be the same case with Doom when he drops. These champs aren’t even close to the top anymore imo
7* Doom is gonna be a menace on defense, his stats, except for health are among the strongest in the mystic class and as a 7* with additional Challenger rating he's gonna be even stronger.
For thronebreakers maybe
The new champs Kabam is designing seem way more broken than the old champs they're releasing as 7s. Like I watched a showcase of Karolina Dean the other day, and she was able to finish close to 100% health against both Bullseye and Serpent. Nico looks OP too.
I can’t see how. We have Titania, Silk, Ham, Spider Woman, etc. All amazing champs that can take a lot more than mystic defenders super fast (and mystic isn’t even close to one of the best defensive classes anymore). He’ll melt mystics and stuff but again I think there are way better champs
I watched all the videos and the levels of overhype are genuinely insane. Broken this and that and stuff
Feel like it’s gonna be the same case with Doom when he drops. These champs aren’t even close to the top anymore imo
7* Doom is gonna be a menace on defense, his stats, except for health are among the strongest in the mystic class and as a 7* with additional Challenger rating he's gonna be even stronger.
I can’t see how. We have Titania, Silk, Ham, Spider Woman, etc. All amazing champs that can take a lot more than mystic defenders super fast (and mystic isn’t even close to one of the best defensive classes anymore). He’ll melt mystics and stuff but again I think there are way better champs
I watched all the videos and the levels of overhype are genuinely insane. Broken this and that and stuff
Feel like it’s gonna be the same case with Doom when he drops. These champs aren’t even close to the top anymore imo
7* Doom is gonna be a menace on defense, his stats, except for health are among the strongest in the mystic class and as a 7* with additional Challenger rating he's gonna be even stronger.
Doom a menace on defense in 2025 😭
He probably doesn't have any of the gazillion 7* science champs that nuke Doom in 30 secs lol literally 90% of the science champs that have been released in the past 2-3 years just absolutely nuke Doom.
Please make me understand what does torch does in the game that 7* silk or Ham or spiderwomen can't do? They can defeat most mystic champs in similar times (or max +-5 secs), and they also have Rpg abilities to counter some annoying mystics. Like spam can defeat kindred with 100% health even blindfolded, but with torch you may end up taking damage.rintrah is a braindead fight with silk, sassy braindead with luke, but torch may have slight chances to take damage or mess up. Not to mention enchantess may even F him up.
Even outside mystics silk and other science nukes can take some matchups as well. Torch damage is okayish even with noba flames if opponent don't deal energy damage to boost him. When 6* r4 were a thing almost every champ except 3-4 were already available as 6*s, so torch ain't gonna break the game in anyway.
Also metas change every month it's not like we can have master key type champs anymore.
I wasn’t that impressed with the videos I’ve seen so far. Based on comparable 6* gameplay silk and Luke cage are both better anti mystic options. That doesn’t make torch bad, but no reason there not to have him as 7*. He’s the third best Mystic counter available so if you don’t have the other two he’s a godsend.
Looking at Seatin’s video last night the way Torch dealt with ROL fights was a lot slower than other nuke champs who are already available as 7*. They were generally taking just under a minute which means he’s no slouch, but Nick Fury and others were doing them in sub 10 seconds at rank 4.
Nothing in any videos I’ve seen so far not to have him as 7* based on utility and damage. He’s not a meta defender and his health pool isn’t high.
I haven’t watched those videos but i can tell you before calling torch too strong to be 7* remember serpent, photon, silk, Dpx, onslaught exist. Yes, he would have been broken if he was released early but now is the right time to release him as a 7* when mystic defenders are not a threat anymore like they were used to be. Only big threat i see is enchantress and spider woman is probably a more reliable counter to her than torch. Kabam is always smart with the timeline to release the 7* champs. At this point, i’m pretty sure he won’t break the game.
I can’t see how. We have Titania, Silk, Ham, Spider Woman, etc. All amazing champs that can take a lot more than mystic defenders super fast (and mystic isn’t even close to one of the best defensive classes anymore). He’ll melt mystics and stuff but again I think there are way better champs
I watched all the videos and the levels of overhype are genuinely insane. Broken this and that and stuff
Feel like it’s gonna be the same case with Doom when he drops. These champs aren’t even close to the top anymore imo
7* Doom is gonna be a menace on defense, his stats, except for health are among the strongest in the mystic class and as a 7* with additional Challenger rating he's gonna be even stronger.
Doom a menace on defense in 2025 😭
Even in 2020 , he wasnt that bad. I would quake him in the AW mini island. No where near the level of "menace" that defenders like Bullseye and Serpent were upon release.
I can’t see how. We have Titania, Silk, Ham, Spider Woman, etc. All amazing champs that can take a lot more than mystic defenders super fast (and mystic isn’t even close to one of the best defensive classes anymore). He’ll melt mystics and stuff but again I think there are way better champs
I watched all the videos and the levels of overhype are genuinely insane. Broken this and that and stuff
Feel like it’s gonna be the same case with Doom when he drops. These champs aren’t even close to the top anymore imo
7* Doom is gonna be a menace on defense, his stats, except for health are among the strongest in the mystic class and as a 7* with additional Challenger rating he's gonna be even stronger.
Doom a menace on defense in 2025 😭
Even in 2020 , he wasnt that bad. I would quake him in the AW mini island. No where near the level of "menace" that defenders like Bullseye and Serpent were upon release.
Doom was more like onslaught back in 2020, for the first 3-6 months people were very afraid of him, and his block penetration was horrible and specials were tough to dex at that time. He is also very tanky too.
I think the bigger question is not whether he’d be broken as a 7*, he won’t be, but whether he’s worth the 36k credits it will cost to get him. I’m up in the air about that one.
He can't do Domino, Serpent, Red Skull, Dark Phoenix, Bullseye, Attuma, Yelena, Onslaught, Bishop or Maestro and he takes chip damage against Photon, Dust, Zola, Deathless Thanos and Spider Woman unless you play him very slowly and carefully at which point other science champs can get a better score or at the very least match his same score. There are so many defenders from the other classes it's literally as simple as not placing any mystic defenders if they draft Torch and instead draft the other nine defenders he straight up can't do, or the other five he will struggle against lol mystic defenders aren't even stacked these days anymore Enchantress is the only problem and even against her, he will take block damage if you get bad luck and get bad AI or she starts with all three spells active. Maybe Kindred but people know how to time the specials with the root now so even him isn't really a big threat anymore unless it's a block penetration meta like this one.
People really overhyping Torch without even looking at the bigger picture, most matchups against the current meta defenders will end up in an L.
So many champs you won’t use him against who aren’t mystic and I can still see him losing you the match against block dmage champs like kindred ( sp1 punish)
People really overhyping Torch without even looking at the bigger picture, most matchups against the current meta defenders will end up in an L.
I can already see him being drafted in most matchups but coming out as the unused 7th champion
I remember when I used him the last couple of times last year which was right around the time when Bullseye and Dust came out (this was still pre-Serpent lol) he was already the 7th unused champ for me multiple times because people would just never draft more than one mystic defender and just not place them if I got lucky and drafted Torch, 7* truly overhyped. Mystic class isn't even the most dominant defender class anymore to warrant Torch in a deck, I think he will be strong but not broken.
I can’t see how. We have Titania, Silk, Ham, Spider Woman, etc. All amazing champs that can take a lot more than mystic defenders super fast (and mystic isn’t even close to one of the best defensive classes anymore). He’ll melt mystics and stuff but again I think there are way better champs
I watched all the videos and the levels of overhype are genuinely insane. Broken this and that and stuff
Feel like it’s gonna be the same case with Doom when he drops. These champs aren’t even close to the top anymore imo
If you look at the videos themselves. Over half the defenders they showcase him against are mystic. Like, everyone and his dog knows he nukes mystics. Why include them at all? It's just to flesh out the video and make him seem better than he is and get so those clicks and create hype for kabam.
If you watch the other class champs they fight. Yeah, he can do the fights, but he doesn't nuke them at all, hes either slow or takes a fair amount of chip damage. People are allowing themselves to be worked here because he will be pay/unit walled and unavailable to the masses for at least a year.
Don't let the bought and paid for kabam hype machine (the ccp) fool you boys.
That's not to say he won't be good. He obviously will be. But game changing he is not.
He can't do Domino, Serpent, Red Skull, Dark Phoenix, Bullseye, Attuma, Yelena, Onslaught, Bishop or Maestro and he takes chip damage against Photon, Dust, Zola, Deathless Thanos and Spider Woman unless you play him very slowly and carefully at which point other science champs can get a better score or at the very least match his same score. There are so many defenders from the other classes it's literally as simple as not placing any mystic defenders if they draft Torch and instead draft the other nine defenders he straight up can't do, or the other five he will struggle against lol mystic defenders aren't even stacked these days anymore Enchantress is the only problem and even against her, he will take block damage if you get bad luck and get bad AI or she starts with all three spells active. Maybe Kindred but people know how to time the specials with the root now so even him isn't really a big threat anymore unless it's a block penetration meta like this one.
People really overhyping Torch without even looking at the bigger picture, most matchups against the current meta defenders will end up in an L.
he kind can do serpent in not invade meta but stil los 20 percent hp so can stil loss the match
He can't do Domino, Serpent, Red Skull, Dark Phoenix, Bullseye, Attuma, Yelena, Onslaught, Bishop or Maestro and he takes chip damage against Photon, Dust, Zola, Deathless Thanos and Spider Woman unless you play him very slowly and carefully at which point other science champs can get a better score or at the very least match his same score. There are so many defenders from the other classes it's literally as simple as not placing any mystic defenders if they draft Torch and instead draft the other nine defenders he straight up can't do, or the other five he will struggle against lol mystic defenders aren't even stacked these days anymore Enchantress is the only problem and even against her, he will take block damage if you get bad luck and get bad AI or she starts with all three spells active. Maybe Kindred but people know how to time the specials with the root now so even him isn't really a big threat anymore unless it's a block penetration meta like this one.
People really overhyping Torch without even looking at the bigger picture, most matchups against the current meta defenders will end up in an L.
he kind can do serpent in not invade meta but stil los 20 percent hp so can stil loss the match
He loses a lot of health, if both people place Serpent and you drafted Kushala/Chavez/Spiral while they only got Torch, they're 100% losing that round no matter how fast they finish with Torch because of the chip damage.
He can't do Domino, Serpent, Red Skull, Dark Phoenix, Bullseye, Attuma, Yelena, Onslaught, Bishop or Maestro and he takes chip damage against Photon, Dust, Zola, Deathless Thanos and Spider Woman unless you play him very slowly and carefully at which point other science champs can get a better score or at the very least match his same score. There are so many defenders from the other classes it's literally as simple as not placing any mystic defenders if they draft Torch and instead draft the other nine defenders he straight up can't do, or the other five he will struggle against lol mystic defenders aren't even stacked these days anymore Enchantress is the only problem and even against her, he will take block damage if you get bad luck and get bad AI or she starts with all three spells active. Maybe Kindred but people know how to time the specials with the root now so even him isn't really a big threat anymore unless it's a block penetration meta like this one.
People really overhyping Torch without even looking at the bigger picture, most matchups against the current meta defenders will end up in an L.
he kind can do serpent in not invade meta but stil los 20 percent hp so can stil loss the match
He loses a lot of health, if both people place Serpent and you drafted Kushala/Chavez/Spiral while they only got Torch, they're 100% losing that round no matter how fast they finish with Torch because of the chip damage.
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Like I watched a showcase of Karolina Dean the other day, and she was able to finish close to 100% health against both Bullseye and Serpent.
Nico looks OP too. Agreed, maybe? If I had to rank all the trophy champs, I would put 1. WPX 2. Torch/Red Guardian.
Any science champion can handle those fights easily
Even outside mystics silk and other science nukes can take some matchups as well. Torch damage is okayish even with noba flames if opponent don't deal energy damage to boost him. When 6* r4 were a thing almost every champ except 3-4 were already available as 6*s, so torch ain't gonna break the game in anyway.
Also metas change every month it's not like we can have master key type champs anymore.
Looking at Seatin’s video last night the way Torch dealt with ROL fights was a lot slower than other nuke champs who are already available as 7*. They were generally taking just under a minute which means he’s no slouch, but Nick Fury and others were doing them in sub 10 seconds at rank 4.
Nothing in any videos I’ve seen so far not to have him as 7* based on utility and damage. He’s not a meta defender and his health pool isn’t high.
In Bgs, it depends whether defender is mystic or not. Or what kind of Meta is going on etc.
People really overhyping Torch without even looking at the bigger picture, most matchups against the current meta defenders will end up in an L.
If you watch the other class champs they fight. Yeah, he can do the fights, but he doesn't nuke them at all, hes either slow or takes a fair amount of chip damage. People are allowing themselves to be worked here because he will be pay/unit walled and unavailable to the masses for at least a year.
Don't let the bought and paid for kabam hype machine (the ccp) fool you boys.
That's not to say he won't be good. He obviously will be. But game changing he is not.