Love that we're getting a new sci defender but i am unable to put my dissatisfaction and anger about how designers practically "CHEAT" when they make 5/5 defenders. Its so crazy. Undermine was supposed to be the upgrade from true accuracy as it is not affected by AAR but now they wanna bypass WHAT THEY CREATED with an autoblocker who practically stops champs from gaining undermine. LOL. His autoblock can't even be defeated by DAAR basically turning off his skill counters. If that ain't cheating I don't know what is honestly. How are they going to produce a counter it'll probably be something stupid and oddly specific like NTW and her counter evade. Unless they create a skill champ that is completely immune to debuffs and has undermine or is nearly permanently unblockable. Ohh well they'll probably think of something after all "unfair mechanics leave room for new design spaces and mechanics".
Defenders SHOULD NOT COUNTER THE MECHANIC YOU'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IN YOUR GAME TO COUNTER THEM.
Now he has a new debuff called desolve which LITERALLY turns off EVERYTHING YOU'D USE TO ATTACK HIM attack rating Crit rating, crit damage, armor pen you name it. I hate this serpent design mindset where defenders have to be immune to most common sources of damage.
Ohh well at least the desolve on paper should be avoidable as long as he doesn't get pushed to sp2. He's going to be A HUGE PROBLEM on that combat power node or LITERALLY ANY POWERGAIN NODE WHICH HAPPENS to be EVERY BATTLEGROUND META.
5/5 defenders DO NOT HAVE TO SHUT OUT 95% OF THE CHAMPION POOL. This design philosophy is just so tiring.
1) Undermine is as subject to AAR as True Accuracy is, it’s just that there’s less AAR effects like Arcade and the True Lies node that directly target it. 2) High Evolutionary doesn’t even counter True Accuracy, he blocks True Sense. Go nuts with your True Accuracy and True Strike champs like Odin, Bullseye, Medusa, etc. 3) Devolve is 1.6% potency, to a max of 16% at max stacks. It affects a lot of things but it’s not particularly strong, he’s no Yelena when it comes to damage reduction.
And to the larger point, “cheating” in design is a subjective measure. What works, works. If you want a difficult challenge, you have to block off at least some of the easy autopilot counterplay. High Evolutionary looks tough enough to be worthy of a 5/5 defender rating, but I’m not seeing anything here that makes him seem unfair.
I agree but making his autoblock immune to aar is a dirty move. Unblockable hits don't reduce combo count as well. So basically have to perfectly play mix master all the time or get screwed, there's just no way to counter him atm.
Keep in mind that Combo Detonation checks the combo meter, not just how many hits you land. Multi-hit basic champs, QS and Northstar especially, will have an easier time with it. More importantly, there’s a number of skill champs that have ways of directly increasing their combo. Black Cat and especially Okoye I imagine will rinse High Evolutionary if you can manage the relatively simple task of baiting sp1s and alternating basics, and buffed Patriot next month may be able to do a similar job if all goes well there.
We’ll see how it plays out, but I do think that there’s also decent odds some of the stronger nukes out there who don’t mind basically playing mix master can just kill High Evolutionary before Combo Detonation even gets the chance to expire, at least in BGs, which reduces the stress of needing a counter that can manage that.
It's fine but how do you think the next counters/hard counters for high evol will be designed? Just having more combo increasing abilities (like okoye) or a champ with another way to counter autoblock (like true strike but with a different name) and few years again one champ will be immune to it. Just doesn't make sense lol.
You don’t need “True Strike with a different name”, True Strike already works against him. True Accuracy too.
Ohh well they'll probably think of something after all "unfair mechanics leave room for new design spaces and mechanics".
To add insult to injury, going Unblockable is penalized as well.
Now the floodgates are open for Evade that ignore Pursuit and Unstoppable that ignores Grit.
LOL!!! Create new mechanics that do not work with AA then just throw them right out the gate when a new defender comes to town. Love this.
Not to mention up until now champs can only either reduce ability accuracy of true effects or nullify them (if they are a buff). But now opponents can outright invalidate true strike and undermine effects (like invalidate against prowess effects). This tech can allow them toe xtend this to every effect if required.
Not true strike, just true sense
Ahh so true strike works, and also true accuracy? That is a relief.
Love that we're getting a new sci defender but i am unable to put my dissatisfaction and anger about how designers practically "CHEAT" when they make 5/5 defenders. Its so crazy. Undermine was supposed to be the upgrade from true accuracy as it is not affected by AAR but now they wanna bypass WHAT THEY CREATED with an autoblocker who practically stops champs from gaining undermine. LOL. His autoblock can't even be defeated by DAAR basically turning off his skill counters. If that ain't cheating I don't know what is honestly. How are they going to produce a counter it'll probably be something stupid and oddly specific like NTW and her counter evade. Unless they create a skill champ that is completely immune to debuffs and has undermine or is nearly permanently unblockable. Ohh well they'll probably think of something after all "unfair mechanics leave room for new design spaces and mechanics".
Defenders SHOULD NOT COUNTER THE MECHANIC YOU'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IN YOUR GAME TO COUNTER THEM.
Now he has a new debuff called desolve which LITERALLY turns off EVERYTHING YOU'D USE TO ATTACK HIM attack rating Crit rating, crit damage, armor pen you name it. I hate this serpent design mindset where defenders have to be immune to most common sources of damage.
Ohh well at least the desolve on paper should be avoidable as long as he doesn't get pushed to sp2. He's going to be A HUGE PROBLEM on that combat power node or LITERALLY ANY POWERGAIN NODE WHICH HAPPENS to be EVERY BATTLEGROUND META.
5/5 defenders DO NOT HAVE TO SHUT OUT 95% OF THE CHAMPION POOL. This design philosophy is just so tiring.
1) Undermine is as subject to AAR as True Accuracy is, it’s just that there’s less AAR effects like Arcade and the True Lies node that directly target it. 2) High Evolutionary doesn’t even counter True Accuracy, he blocks True Sense. Go nuts with your True Accuracy and True Strike champs like Odin, Bullseye, Medusa, etc. 3) Devolve is 1.6% potency, to a max of 16% at max stacks. It affects a lot of things but it’s not particularly strong, he’s no Yelena when it comes to damage reduction.
And to the larger point, “cheating” in design is a subjective measure. What works, works. If you want a difficult challenge, you have to block off at least some of the easy autopilot counterplay. High Evolutionary looks tough enough to be worthy of a 5/5 defender rating, but I’m not seeing anything here that makes him seem unfair.
I agree but making his autoblock immune to aar is a dirty move. Unblockable hits don't reduce combo count as well. So basically have to perfectly play mix master all the time or get screwed, there's just no way to counter him atm.
Keep in mind that Combo Detonation checks the combo meter, not just how many hits you land. Multi-hit basic champs, QS and Northstar especially, will have an easier time with it. More importantly, there’s a number of skill champs that have ways of directly increasing their combo. Black Cat and especially Okoye I imagine will rinse High Evolutionary if you can manage the relatively simple task of baiting sp1s and alternating basics, and buffed Patriot next month may be able to do a similar job if all goes well there.
We’ll see how it plays out, but I do think that there’s also decent odds some of the stronger nukes out there who don’t mind basically playing mix master can just kill High Evolutionary before Combo Detonation even gets the chance to expire, at least in BGs, which reduces the stress of needing a counter that can manage that.
It's fine but how do you think the next counters/hard counters for high evol will be designed? Just having more combo increasing abilities (like okoye) or a champ with another way to counter autoblock (like true strike but with a different name) and few years again one champ will be immune to it. Just doesn't make sense lol.
You don’t need “True Strike with a different name”, True Strike already works against him. True Accuracy too.
I thought it's a true lies ability like arcade my bad. Well my medusa can nuke him it seems.
Ohh well they'll probably think of something after all "unfair mechanics leave room for new design spaces and mechanics".
To add insult to injury, going Unblockable is penalized as well.
Now the floodgates are open for Evade that ignore Pursuit and Unstoppable that ignores Grit.
LOL!!! Create new mechanics that do not work with AA then just throw them right out the gate when a new defender comes to town. Love this.
Not to mention up until now champs can only either reduce ability accuracy of true effects or nullify them (if they are a buff). But now opponents can outright invalidate true strike and undermine effects (like invalidate against prowess effects). This tech can allow them toe xtend this to every effect if required.
Not true strike, just true sense
I wonder if other autoblock counters work like Phoenix and Sig 200 Angela
Love that we're getting a new sci defender but i am unable to put my dissatisfaction and anger about how designers practically "CHEAT" when they make 5/5 defenders. Its so crazy. Undermine was supposed to be the upgrade from true accuracy as it is not affected by AAR but now they wanna bypass WHAT THEY CREATED with an autoblocker who practically stops champs from gaining undermine. LOL. His autoblock can't even be defeated by DAAR basically turning off his skill counters. If that ain't cheating I don't know what is honestly. How are they going to produce a counter it'll probably be something stupid and oddly specific like NTW and her counter evade. Unless they create a skill champ that is completely immune to debuffs and has undermine or is nearly permanently unblockable. Ohh well they'll probably think of something after all "unfair mechanics leave room for new design spaces and mechanics".
Defenders SHOULD NOT COUNTER THE MECHANIC YOU'VE ALREADY IMPLEMENTED IN YOUR GAME TO COUNTER THEM.
Now he has a new debuff called desolve which LITERALLY turns off EVERYTHING YOU'D USE TO ATTACK HIM attack rating Crit rating, crit damage, armor pen you name it. I hate this serpent design mindset where defenders have to be immune to most common sources of damage.
Ohh well at least the desolve on paper should be avoidable as long as he doesn't get pushed to sp2. He's going to be A HUGE PROBLEM on that combat power node or LITERALLY ANY POWERGAIN NODE WHICH HAPPENS to be EVERY BATTLEGROUND META.
5/5 defenders DO NOT HAVE TO SHUT OUT 95% OF THE CHAMPION POOL. This design philosophy is just so tiring.
1) Undermine is as subject to AAR as True Accuracy is, it’s just that there’s less AAR effects like Arcade and the True Lies node that directly target it. 2) High Evolutionary doesn’t even counter True Accuracy, he blocks True Sense. Go nuts with your True Accuracy and True Strike champs like Odin, Bullseye, Medusa, etc. 3) Devolve is 1.6% potency, to a max of 16% at max stacks. It affects a lot of things but it’s not particularly strong, he’s no Yelena when it comes to damage reduction.
And to the larger point, “cheating” in design is a subjective measure. What works, works. If you want a difficult challenge, you have to block off at least some of the easy autopilot counterplay. High Evolutionary looks tough enough to be worthy of a 5/5 defender rating, but I’m not seeing anything here that makes him seem unfair.
I agree but making his autoblock immune to aar is a dirty move. Unblockable hits don't reduce combo count as well. So basically have to perfectly play mix master all the time or get screwed, there's just no way to counter him atm.
Keep in mind that Combo Detonation checks the combo meter, not just how many hits you land. Multi-hit basic champs, QS and Northstar especially, will have an easier time with it. More importantly, there’s a number of skill champs that have ways of directly increasing their combo. Black Cat and especially Okoye I imagine will rinse High Evolutionary if you can manage the relatively simple task of baiting sp1s and alternating basics, and buffed Patriot next month may be able to do a similar job if all goes well there.
We’ll see how it plays out, but I do think that there’s also decent odds some of the stronger nukes out there who don’t mind basically playing mix master can just kill High Evolutionary before Combo Detonation even gets the chance to expire, at least in BGs, which reduces the stress of needing a counter that can manage that.
It's fine but how do you think the next counters/hard counters for high evol will be designed? Just having more combo increasing abilities (like okoye) or a champ with another way to counter autoblock (like true strike but with a different name) and few years again one champ will be immune to it. Just doesn't make sense lol.
You don’t need “True Strike with a different name”, True Strike already works against him. True Accuracy too.
I thought it's a true lies ability like arcade my bad. Well my medusa can nuke him it seems.
Some other potential counters 1. Valkyrie, just hit his block, no need to break block 2. Yelena: gains combo fast plus has endurance 3. Lumatrix? 4. Hulkling?
Some other potential counters 1. Valkyrie, just hit his block, no need to break block 2. Yelena: gains combo fast plus has endurance 3. Lumatrix? 4. Hulkling?
Hulkling probably wouldn't be great. The wither would reduce his power gain and he doesn't have a lot of hits in his specials, plus going Unblockable would be actively bad. Yelena would probably be good, but basically any character with a lot of combo hits would work
Ohh well they'll probably think of something after all "unfair mechanics leave room for new design spaces and mechanics".
To add insult to injury, going Unblockable is penalized as well.
Now the floodgates are open for Evade that ignore Pursuit and Unstoppable that ignores Grit.
LOL!!! Create new mechanics that do not work with AA then just throw them right out the gate when a new defender comes to town. Love this.
Not to mention up until now champs can only either reduce ability accuracy of true effects or nullify them (if they are a buff). But now opponents can outright invalidate true strike and undermine effects (like invalidate against prowess effects). This tech can allow them toe xtend this to every effect if required.
Not true strike, just true sense
I wonder if other autoblock counters work like Phoenix and Sig 200 Angela
battlegrounds is niche yet almost every champ created is a busted defender or a counter to previously busted defender. the tit for tat thing is too obvious right now.
battlegrounds is niche yet almost every champ created is a busted defender or a counter to previously busted defender. the tit for tat thing is too obvious right now.
Get excited everyone. High evolutionary counters are already in develop
Hopefully the buffed Night Thrasher and Patriot will be great counters
Night Thrasher already has true accuracy on some basic attacks so he'll likely be one. I don't think Patriot will have anything specific to counter H.E.'s mechanics, aside from just gaining a lot of attack per debuff.
Get excited everyone. High evolutionary counters are already in develop
Hopefully the buffed Night Thrasher and Patriot will be great counters
Night Thrasher already has true accuracy on some basic attacks so he'll likely be one. I don't think Patriot will have anything specific to counter H.E.'s mechanics, aside from just gaining a lot of attack per debuff.
Patriot builds combo quickly which means that Combo Detonation is much less of a threat, so there is potential for him to be good against HE post-buff even if he doesn’t counter the Auto-Block.
Get excited everyone. High evolutionary counters are already in develop
Hopefully the buffed Night Thrasher and Patriot will be great counters
Night Thrasher already has true accuracy on some basic attacks so he'll likely be one. I don't think Patriot will have anything specific to counter H.E.'s mechanics, aside from just gaining a lot of attack per debuff.
Patriot also can’t have his regen rate reduced, which helps against high evo’s cross fight devolve mechanic which basically reduces regen rate to zero for the next 3 fights so long as you end the fight with at least 5.
Kabam announces a summoner fest and in person Battlerralm Brawl for this November.
Then Kabam announces and releases the highest prestige , 5/5 defender AFTER the July 4th deals expired, ensuring all those whales and top BG players will want/need to get the big baddie to try and qualify.
Kit for new 5/5 defender is totally unimaginative and straight up cheezy.
Kabam announces a summoner fest and in person Battlerralm Brawl for this November.
Then Kabam announces and releases the highest prestige , 5/5 defender AFTER the July 4th deals expired, ensuring all those whales and top BG players will want/need to get the big baddie to try and qualify.
Kit for new 5/5 defender is totally unimaginative and straight up cheezy.
Chase that carrot 🥕🥕
I remember they did something similar last year as well
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1. Valkyrie, just hit his block, no need to break block
2. Yelena: gains combo fast plus has endurance
3. Lumatrix?
4. Hulkling?
https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/champion-spotlight-high-evolutionary/
Maybe he can face Amora Attuma is one of most predictable attackers, you can dex easily.
Love when people on BG choose him against me on defense
Kabam announces a summoner fest and in person Battlerralm Brawl for this November.
Then Kabam announces and releases the highest prestige , 5/5 defender AFTER the July 4th deals expired, ensuring all those whales and top BG players will want/need to get the big baddie to try and qualify.
Kit for new 5/5 defender is totally unimaginative and straight up cheezy.
Chase that carrot 🥕🥕