Apple Now Requires Game Developers to disclose odds on "Loot Boxes" [MERGED THREADS]

Vdh2008Vdh2008 Member Posts: 966 ★★★★
edited December 2017 in General Discussion
Any comments on this?

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/21/16805674/apple-loot-box-app-store-games-odds-probability-disclosure

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  • SarcasticTaurusSarcasticTaurus Member Posts: 446 ★★★
    bdawg923 wrote: »
    Watch them get around this somehow

    You know they will. They would never disclose that information!!
  • Jeekman24Jeekman24 Member Posts: 1
    Great news! Thanks for the post.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    edited December 2017
    From what I have read it doesn’t require the odds for loot boxes as a whole, just the ones you purchase so that could/would mean those that are exchanged for money. Given that and assuming Kabam wants to keep the odds hidden then it would make sense for them to remove the hero crystals from the daily offers and no longer offer any hero crystal for purchase from the unit store.

    I also don’t care enough to investigate if there are grandfather exceptions, so it could be they will not have to do a single thing.
  • bdawg923bdawg923 Member Posts: 764 ★★★★
    Technically we do purchase crystals, even though it's with in game currency. But apple doesn't specify that this applies to loot boxes purchased with money, just "purchased".
  • Bird_BearBird_Bear Member Posts: 1 ★
    They never will. Sweep under the rug
  • ThatweirdguyThatweirdguy Member Posts: 675 ★★★
    God bless Apple. I would be surprised if getting around this rule only required offering crystals via unit/digital currency. I feel like Apple would be smart enough to know that. These rules are being floated by politicians so I am sure there will be regulations.
  • BrandoniusBrandonius Member Posts: 292 ★
    Should they not also disclose what could be available in those Loot boxes? Aside from a totally generic statement like in the GGCs?
  • KestrelleKestrelle Member Posts: 441 ★★
    Well this seems pretty straightforward. Let's see those rates!
  • KestrelleKestrelle Member Posts: 441 ★★
    This is amazing!
  • wSWeaponXwSWeaponX Member Posts: 366 ★★
    So does that mean we'll know the odds of these crystals finally?
  • OmniOmni Member Posts: 574 ★★★
    Kestrelle wrote: »
    This is really a gigantic win for gamers. I am very impressed with Apple on this one

    Not for us if it drastically changes the in game economy in a negative way
  • SpinoSpino Member Posts: 241 ★
    Bird_Bear wrote: »
    They never will. Sweep under the rug

    Then, Apple store might as well cease to offer their app.
  • KestrelleKestrelle Member Posts: 441 ★★
    Omni wrote: »
    Kestrelle wrote: »
    This is really a gigantic win for gamers. I am very impressed with Apple on this one

    Not for us if it drastically changes the in game economy in a negative way

    I strongly disagree. This definitely does have the potential to have a big impact on this, and every other game with loot crates. Even if it looks like a negative on the surface, I view this as an unquestionable positive
  • OmniOmni Member Posts: 574 ★★★
    Kestrelle wrote: »
    Omni wrote: »
    Kestrelle wrote: »
    This is really a gigantic win for gamers. I am very impressed with Apple on this one

    Not for us if it drastically changes the in game economy in a negative way

    I strongly disagree. This definitely does have the potential to have a big impact on this, and every other game with loot crates. Even if it looks like a negative on the surface, I view this as an unquestionable positive

    Kabam makes x amount of their money off of loot crystals. If they now disclose drop rates and it changes people’s purchasing pattern and less revenue comes in they will have two choices.

    Strip the game team down to keep their profit target or change the economy of the game to entice people to purchase other in game items directly. If you thought a 5 star crystal was expensive now, wait until they figure out how much to charge to keep their same profit margin.
  • MasterSmokeMasterSmoke Member Posts: 581 ★★★
    Why does everyone care about knowing the odds?? Can someone explain to me what this would actually change as far as pulling champs go??
  • ThatweirdguyThatweirdguy Member Posts: 675 ★★★
    roastedbagel wrote: »
    Genuine question... What does this change?

    When it says "this featured 5* crystal has 1% chance to pull X", what will that change? Will you no longer open one? Of course you will. Just like you do now knowing the odds are super low.

    I'm not trying to be snarky, I just think this will have 0 affect on the game and how we choose to open crystals. We already know the odds are ****.

    This is a valid point but the transparency would be appreciated if nothing else. Also, this will require the drop rates between new players and old players to be disclosed and eventually evened. Once there is a light shined on the better rates for new players vs old I think it might make Kabam have to even things out.
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