5Rogue or 5 X23 worthy of rank 4?

I am almost finished exploring act 4 which will give me the tier 2 alpha cats I need to bring one of my 5 star champs to rank 4.

In your opinion are either of these champs worth it or is that exclusively reserved for god tier champs?
Neither is duped btw.
My other 5 stars aren’t great. Agent venom, hulkbuster, Karnak, Jane foster, beast, og magneto

My maxed 4 star roster is mordo, AA, hawkeye, classic spider, ghost rider.

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Alpha07

X23 is close to god tier imo. fantastic damage and thanks to her regen she can handle a whole quest on her own. she's definitely worth r4. not need to dupe her.

as for Rogue, i've heard she is a great champ but needs the dupe to be r4 worthy. i don't have her so someone who has her could help you with her.

Bahamut

Both ate good. X23 is PROBABLY better

DNA3000

JC_ wrote: »

I am almost finished exploring act 4 which will give me the tier 2 alpha cats I need to bring one of my 5 star champs to rank 4.

In your opinion are either of these champs worth it or is that exclusively reserved for god tier champs?
Neither is duped btw.

That's an interesting question. In my opinion both are *worthy* of R4. However, many champions are stronger than those two. The catch is everyone is limited by T2 Alphas in how many champions they can take to R4. So the question is actually kind of a tricky one. How long do you think it will be before you get another four T2A to rank up another 5* champion? And how long do you think it will take to earn a 5* champion that is much better than those two. If the latter is less than the former, you should hold off and wait. If the former is much less than the latter, then it might be worth ranking one of them up because you're likely to see nothing better come along before you have four more anyway.

The more immediate concern for you is this: if you rank either one up to R4, does that open any doors for you in terms of gameplay? Do you expect to start using one or the other *immediately* to do things you can't do now, or to do things that are currently expensive for you to do now that the ranked up champion would save you on units or resources (say, you decide to use them in AQ and you currently spend potions in AQ that you might not have to spend anymore). If you don't see a specific immediate use for them, DONT RANK UP. Save the resources until you are ranking up something that will be game-changing for you. If it is not game changing, its not worth the T2A. Not unless you are overflowing in T2A, which it sounds like you're not.

Personally, I would wait. But that's because of my particular situation and what I use now. You have to ultimately make that call for yourself.

DaMunk

Rogue sort of needs duped and x23 really doesn't. If both were duped I'd still go with x23 but definitely wouldn't say Rogue was a mistake. A r4 rogue would have tons of utility. Short answer x23 and when you dupe Rogue r3 her..btw I'm pretty sure Rogue still has the highest mutant prestige if that matters.

BitterSteel

I’m in the exact same position as you. X23 and rogue 5* except I have an awakening gem. I’ve decided to go with x23 because her regen is better than rogues. Also rogue just feels weak in a fight. In aq I’m struggling to beat them in the 3 mins but x23 bleed is insane

JC_

Thanks for the great input guys, I really appreciate it.

@DNA3000

I currently have 3 tier 2 alpha cats, and I’ll get a 4th with the login calendar yet. I’m exploring 4.4.5 right now. I didn’t have much trouble beating the maestro when I was just trying to complete, but I’m not sure how tough it will be to explore.

I really don’t want to just waste the alphas, but I’m also afraid that I might keep getting **** 5* pulls from now till eternity. Lol

Saiyan

Depends on what you need. Pure damage is X-23 while Rogue has Utility and with her 70% debuff shrug can be VERY useful. I use Rogue in 100% of AQ (Map 5x5) and she shines no matter where she goes. I use X-23 for questing, she can stay alive forever and put enemies down fast. She was the main reason back before 12.0 I did Act 4 and STILL the reason I was able to 100% 5.3, while her attack was halfed in most cases, she still was amazing. (both mine are 4 stars btw). Both choices are great so good luck.

Rogue: Heal, Power Control, Buff steal, AQ and AW amazing, High Prestiege, Debuff Shrug
X-23: DPS monster, good heal, can be used for LOL at R4, is still abit effective Vs bleed immune

Kabam Rose

I moved this to a more appropriate section for this discussion. Thank you!

JC_

@Saiyan

Ok, this must be one the main things I’m not understanding about this game. Why do you prefer Rogue for AQ but X23 for quests? I’ve fallen into the rut of using the same main attackers for everything.

Also, do you mind elaborating on the debuff shrug?

I actually haven’t even brought rogue up to rank 3 yet, so I’ve barely used her at all. But my alliance uses her a lot.

I really appreciate the input.

G0311

X 23 if you have deep wounds mastery

Svain

X23

RobbieRampage

X23 is better in my opinion, but for some game modes (like quests such as act 5) champs that have buffs or cause debuffs are not great options, so there are some specific circumstances where Rogue is more useful.

Buck_Bleedstone

I'd take X23 to r4, and I agree you need to get DW maxed if you haven't already. She will be great for you.

JC_

Ok, looks like most people are recommending x23 so I think that’s who I’ll go with. I really appreciate all the input!

I currently have DW at one, I will max it. Probably should’ve done that already because my main questint team includes x23, aa, and hawkeye.

Thanks again for all of the knowledge! You guys have been a big help.

DNA3000

JC_ wrote: »

@Saiyan

Ok, this must be one the main things I’m not understanding about this game. Why do you prefer Rogue for AQ but X23 for quests? I’ve fallen into the rut of using the same main attackers for everything.

I can't speak for @Saiyan, but in this game every champion has strengths and weaknesses, and every piece of content has its own individual challenges. The biggest difference between AQ and quest teams is you can only have three in AQ but five in your quest team. And for me that changes the calculus of who to put on the team. In AQ I want champions that are first and foremost good at the paths I usually run, but then also have as much general utility as possible in case I need to shift paths unexpectedly. Rogue is really good (for me) for the paths I take, which is the science path in the first stage and immunity in the second. I usually add OG vision to her for his strong utility: double immunity and some of the best power control in the game. And then there's a third which changes depending on other factors (like who's the boss this week).

In quests, the quests themselves have different champions than in AQ (which in a single season is the same every week) and you can make teams of five. That gives you more flexibility to add specialists to the team. For me that's champions like Gwenpool, Wolverine, Hyperion, etc.

First and foremost you want to make a team that will allow you do finish the path you want to run, in whatever map and content you are doing. But beyond that you generally want to squeeze into your team some regeneration, some high damage, some power control, some ability accuracy reduction, some immunity. There's a difference between trying to shove as much of that as possible into a three champion team verses a five champion team. Different players have different preferences, and the details come down to preferences. But I think most experience players think generally in similar terms. How do I make a team that can do what I expect to need to do, and secondly have the utility to do something I don't expect if my expectations are wrong.

JC_

@DNA3000

Wow..that is an extremely helpful post. It’s crazy the levels that you top tier players have taken the game to. My alliance is running 55544 (I’m not one of the better players in the alliance) but everyone pretty well just takes off on whatever path looks good at the time. No one sets paths.

I am going to take what you said and really look into my team.

My main 5 I use are GR, AA, X23, Hawkeye, and Mordo.

From what you said I think I might be a little heavy on bleed and light on immunities.

I mainly attack in alliance quest and war with x23, GR, and AA.

What do you think?

DNA3000

JC_ wrote: »

@DNA3000

Wow..that is an extremely helpful post. It’s crazy the levels that you top tier players have taken the game to. My alliance is running 55544 (I’m not one of the better players in the alliance) but everyone pretty well just takes off on whatever path looks good at the time. No one sets paths.

I am going to take what you said and really look into my team.

My main 5 I use are GR, AA, X23, Hawkeye, and Mordo.

From what you said I think I might be a little heavy on bleed and light on immunities.

I mainly attack in alliance quest and war with x23, GR, and AA.

What do you think?

My battle group doesn't formally assign paths, but we informally try to do the same paths whenever possible because a) we're scattered in lots of different time zones so some path combinations don't work (if the guy you need to clear the link in front of you goes to sleep, you're screwed), b) some people really don't like certain paths, and c) we do 5x5 so by day 5 you don't want to just randomly stumble into a path you were not expecting.

If your alliance is all in the same timezone or similar and you downshift to Map 4 at the end, you can probably get away with doing whatever. The maps get harder with each day, and it is the last two that tend to be the ones that require the most attention from us.

Those choices look solid; it depends on what you are comfortable with and which paths you normally run. I think you're good on damage and good on regen with X23 and GR. AA gives you solid ability accuracy reduction if you play him well. You could use some poison immunity but it seems that hasn't been a problem for you so far. But when you are in AQ with X23, GR, and AA, what do you use for quests? Part of people's preferences are influenced by the fact that many champs would be good for both AQ and quest but you can't use them in both at the same time, so you have to choose which one takes priority.

For me, the priority is AQ attack team, AW attack team, AW defense, and then quest. And if I'm running something that I think requires my absolute best team, then I try to run it during AQ downtime.

I don't think you have to worry too much about being bleed heavy, because while X23 does bleed, against bleed immune targets she stacks cruelty instead - she increases her critical damage.

There are better attackers than Mordo, but if you like him and you are good playing him, go with what you know. My suspicion though is that you probably have something better somewhere in your roster.

JC_

@DNA3000

I’ll list some of my other champs and you can see what you think.

5 star:

X23, rogue, beast, black panther, magneto, Jane Foster, hulkbuster, symbiote spidey, agent venom, Karnak

4 Star:
Mordo, hawkeye, classic spidey, AA, psylocke, Angela, groot, green goblin, vulture, iron man, kingpin, hulk, Deadpool x, ghost rider, abomination, magik, juggernaut, iron fist, cyclops, electro, king groot.

Also, would you add me in game? I’d like to send you some sort of gift, you have been a great help and I know you’ve spent a decent amount of time typing out your responses. I really appreciate the advice.

DNA3000

JC_ wrote: »

@DNA3000

I’ll list some of my other champs and you can see what you think.

5 star:

X23, rogue, beast, black panther, magneto, Jane Foster, hulkbuster, symbiote spidey, agent venom, Karnak

4 Star:
Mordo, hawkeye, classic spidey, AA, psylocke, Angela, groot, green goblin, vulture, iron man, kingpin, hulk, Deadpool x, ghost rider, abomination, magik, juggernaut, iron fist, cyclops, electro, king groot.

Magik is an excellent attacker, even unawakened. She power locks and power drains with her special two attack and played well she can chain-lock the enemy and leave them with zero energy. In my opinion she is a much better attacker than Mordo, although as I said, it is your game and you have to have fun with it or there's no point.

Psylocke and Angela also have advantages, but for me Magik is the best of the ones you aren't currently using.

Also, would you add me in game? I’d like to send you some sort of gift, you have been a great help and I know you’ve spent a decent amount of time typing out your responses. I really appreciate the advice.

That's greatly appreciated, but completely unnecessary. I'm happy to help.

JC_

@DNA3000

I actually am not super crazy about mordo, other than for AW defense. He was just the first 4 star I ever got, and the first player I ever maxed. Then my next good mystic was GR, so when I got magik I never did anything with her. I actually have a couple of tier 4 mystic cats, so with one more I could upgrade her and max her out.

One other random question. With a generic 4 star awakening would a max GR be a candidate or should I wait for a better 4 star?

Mordo; hawkeye; spidey, psylocke, and AA are all duped already.

JC_

I have enough cats to max Angela, but I wasn’t sure if she was good enough. She is duped as well.

DNA3000

JC_ wrote: »

One other random question. With a generic 4 star awakening would a max GR be a candidate or should I wait for a better 4 star?

I wouldn't spend a generic on Ghost Rider because Ghost Rider is plenty good unawakened. Some champions' signature awakened ability is extremely strong, relatively speaking, so the difference between having it and not having it is night and day. But some, like Ghost Rider, have signature abilities that while good are only incrementally good, and spending a generic awakening gem to get just a little bit better isn't worth it to most players.

Thor, Scarlet Witch, Star Lord. These you have to awaken if you want to use them. Ghost Rider and Magik, not really (as attackers: you have to awaken Magik to use her as an effective defender).

ninjamaster713

@DNA3000
Voodoo needs to be awakened too

rwhack

Rogue has prestige and she’s good. I’d close the thread down now if I could.

Jaffacaked

X23 all day long, it's better to have 1 champs that makes everything cheaper an easier then use your second R4 for a champ with great prestige. X23 can be used for the LOL easy path with the yj,ant,mags,cyc synergy team, that's who I used unduped

KyrieRed

Rogue kicks butt in aq map 6 im telling you. Shes also a better option against mystics in war.

mbrace

Rank her! I had left my unduped 4* Rogue to sit unused. Then I had some spare mutant ISO, so I decided to try her out. Not even to max rank 3 yet, and she is outperforming most of my maxed 4* rank 4's. People are correct with the advice: spam L1 and use her for enemies with good buffs. Also, try not to get hit once you manage to steal a regen buff, and you will probably go back to max health for next fight. Her near immunity to everything is incredible, and I believe it is benefitting from my HE/Quake synergy. The percent is noted in green, leading me to believe that I'm getting ~80% reduction now and also increased life steal.

SavageStrange

This is hard, but I would do x23, her bleed and regen.

TheDemon

Given that this thread is already 2 months old I am guessing the original poster of this thread made their decision already.