Node 38 + IMIW =bugged A broken champ for a broken node.

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  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 1,842 ★★★★
    Really don't think you need a r4 5* to work, it's always helpful but I would think a Max 4* would work very well.
  • Vale84Vale84 Posts: 308 ★★★
    Romario26 wrote: »
    Killmonger doesn’t work cause you can’t attack him after a special to get true strike, I doubt captain america will work too lol maybe Karnak 😂

    You're right. If players who place IMIW on node 38 don't have stand your ground many champs can solo him. If they do have stand your ground Hyperion and a duped Dr. Voodoo with an advanced power boost can still solo him.

    You keep posting this in every thread. I keep posting you're wrong.

    Stand your ground can trigger ONLY when the enemy is blocking, hence, during a heavy intercept with another heavy, CAN'T trigger. No matter what and what level the mastery is at.

    SyG is totally irrelevant to the mechanics involved into heavy countering IMIW
  • Run477Run477 Posts: 1,326 ★★★
    DaMunk wrote: »
    That's 3..lol

    Lol

    The third was a last minute add
  • Run477Run477 Posts: 1,326 ★★★
    Vale84 wrote: »
    Romario26 wrote: »
    Killmonger doesn’t work cause you can’t attack him after a special to get true strike, I doubt captain america will work too lol maybe Karnak 😂

    You're right. If players who place IMIW on node 38 don't have stand your ground many champs can solo him. If they do have stand your ground Hyperion and a duped Dr. Voodoo with an advanced power boost can still solo him.

    You keep posting this in every thread. I keep posting you're wrong.

    Stand your ground can trigger ONLY when the enemy is blocking, hence, during a heavy intercept with another heavy, CAN'T trigger. No matter what and what level the mastery is at.

    SyG is totally irrelevant to the mechanics involved into heavy countering IMIW

    I agree that he (probably) is confused. But on the off chance that he isn’t (I always love internet tough guys that claim things are easy for them without any proof), perhaps he is saying, the autoblock will parry the heavy? That is the only way what he is saying makes any kind of sense.
  • DTMelodicMetalDTMelodicMetal Posts: 2,796 ★★★★★
    Vale84 wrote: »
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    You keep posting this in every thread. I keep posting you're wrong.

    Stand your ground can trigger ONLY when the enemy is blocking, hence, during a heavy intercept with another heavy, CAN'T trigger. No matter what and what level the mastery is at.

    SyG is totally irrelevant to the mechanics involved into heavy countering IMIW

    @Vale84 You’ve ignored multiple posts that acknowledge I was mistaken. You quote posts that are days old when I’ve posted my SYG comment was proved to be wrong within the past 12 hours. You also ignore posts of my suggestions of champions that have been shown to be accurate, like Morningstar countering node 38 IMIW:

  • VoluntarisVoluntaris Posts: 1,133 ★★★
    Vale84 wrote: »
    SunnyLeaf wrote: »
    YoMoves wrote: »
    Passive armor IS NOT molecular armor this is a bug that needs to be fixed ASAP. He will still be a decent defender but at the moment this is a broken mechanic. It’s mid season and many people have him so this needs fixed ASAP

    But IMIW's sheet says autoblock can trigger from 4 stacks of 'any' armor. So again. Not a bug.

    When he is under 15% health, his autoblock can trigger from ONE of any armor. So again. U can do nothing with NODE38.

    There are ways around that even on 38. The problem lies in the fact armors wont go down and will eventually pile up. And since node armors (for no reason) not only count for autoblock but even for critical resistance, the last 15% will take ages since your char wont ever crit, and will deal super low dmg on non crits. We re talking a r5 5* stark spiderman dealing 750 dmg on a heavy with 10 stacks of poise. Which is broken.

    5 star Stark Spidey is not a good option vs IWIM on node 38
  • OMC_PintoOMC_Pinto Posts: 94
    DaMunk wrote: »
    If he's not duped a duped Iron Fist works great. If IMIF is duped iron fist works until 15% then your toast.. Electra seems to have some possibilities. But from what I've seen there's definitely a weird interaction on 38, at least from the screenshots being posted. DT is also right Crossbones seems to work better than anything else I've tried. Proxima will work well if you can keep her true accuracy up.. easier said than done though.

    You can also use Void and Hype with the Heavy counter method...Hypes furies build up quickly and you want to try to land an L1, Void gets DOT from the intimidating presence debuffs. IMIW is not immune to either of those DOTs

  • linuxlinux Posts: 280
    Tempest wrote: »
    @linux the node says one of the armor ups is removed every hit the defender receives. It's not because of the armor break. That may be what you're seeing.

    If the armor ups provided by the node were molecular, one parry from Corvus would have removed them all.. But since they aren't, he's just removing them one per hit like everyone else, while still applying the armor breaks. He will remove all the molecular ones though.

    So many people have now discovered ways to beat IMIW on node 38 (and with old champs) so I don't think this is really a problem anymore..

    Those armor ups from Aggression: Armor look different -- they don't expire. Anyway, I think you're mixing things up.

    Armor break typically removes armor *buffs*; I posted a video with LoL Ultron illustrating this since someone didn't believe it was true for him. Explosive Personality armor ups are buffs. Aggression: Armor and Molecular Armor armors are passive, so they don't trigger MD and they're not removed by armor break (but are removed by taking hits).

    I'm curious if Stand Your Ground prevents heavy attacks by autoblocking heavies. If so, we'll see another cycle where even heavy attacks don't work (50% of the time). I don't think that's true, but I haven't tested carefully.

    IMIW can be taken out with old champs, but it's still extremely unbalanced (and not at all fun). The interaction with node 38 should be fixed; it would still be much harder than other champs, but at least there'd be a reasonable set of counters.
  • Run477Run477 Posts: 1,326 ★★★
    Seriously guys, you have repeatedly claimed that no champ should be this overpowered. I guess that only applies to champs for attack? Iwim with node 38 is insane. True, he’s one of the best defenders on any node, but the interaction on node 38 is stupid. Aggression armor up should not count toward his 4 stacks for autoparry. If you want to count the base armor up and the explosive personality, fine. It still makes him ridiculous on that node, but at least you can remove those besides hitting him. But the aggression armor up just builds too fast and your only recourse, outside of having proxima or getting extremely lucky with being able to spam Karnak l1s, is heavy attacks. It’s just a dumb game mechanic interaction that should be fixed.
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