5* arena issue.

So.... your issue is that you have all the new 5* champs and you don’t want people to be able to grind for them?

V1PER1987 wrote: »

So.... your issue is that you have all the new 5* champs and you don’t want people to be able to grind for them?

Viper, I shouldn’t have every champion.....
the system is broken.

NickMerks wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

So.... your issue is that you have all the new 5* champs and you don’t want people to be able to grind for them?

Viper, I shouldn’t have every champion.....
the system is broken.

But isn’t that what the game is about? Collecting and fighting with your champions?

IsThisLoss

lmao imagine having this problem

V1PER1987 wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

So.... your issue is that you have all the new 5* champs and you don’t want people to be able to grind for them?

Viper, I shouldn’t have every champion.....
the system is broken.

But isn’t that what the game is about? Collecting and fighting with your champions?

Viper, care to make an statement or opinion?

Or do you enjoy wasting my time with questions you know the answers to?

NickMerks wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

So.... your issue is that you have all the new 5* champs and you don’t want people to be able to grind for them?

Viper, I shouldn’t have every champion.....
the system is broken.

But isn’t that what the game is about? Collecting and fighting with your champions?

Viper, care to make an statement or opinion?

Or do you enjoy wasting my time with questions you know the answers to?

Quit the game.

Guys this isn’t a brag post. And it’s not a joke.
If you could read past the 2nd sentence of my original post please.

IsThisLoss

NickMerks wrote: »

Guys this isn’t a brag post. And it’s not a joke.
If you could read past the 2nd sentence of my original post please.

tbh i do agree with the featured 5* featuring one specific champ, would love a medusa only featured

Right now it’s clock work and stale.
Every two weeks you grind the new champion.
And then the next two weeks come and you do it again.
And it just keeps repeating...

You end up with every champion.
And your 5* shards are irrelevant.

For example. There is a player named “HQ Sean” who has over 1 Million 5* shards currently.

Don’t you think he should have to use his shards to stay relivent in the contest? Well he doesn’t.

NickMerks wrote: »

Right now it’s clock work and stale.
Every two weeks you grind the new champion.
And then the next two weeks come and you do it again.
And it just keeps repeating...

You end up with every champion.
And your 5* shards are irrelevant.

For example. There is a player named “HQ Sean” who has over 1 Million 5* shards currently.

Don’t you think he should have to use his shards to stay relivent in the contest? Well he doesn’t.

You don’t have to though. It’s your choice to decide to get every single champ when it comes out. You can choose to just lay back and wait for them to be added to basics. If the game is boring and stale don’t play it anymore. Or take a 6 break and let things shake up before you come back. There’s always a choice.

Stop spending $300-500+ per arena round to get 5* champions. Then you'll have to save for featured crystal champions again.

DNA3000

NickMerks wrote: »

Guys this isn’t a brag post. And it’s not a joke.
If you could read past the 2nd sentence of my original post please.

Sure.

NickMerks wrote: »

Now we have people like “crystal opening whale”
Who just burn through thousands of dollars per day opening FGMC.
When people see stuff like that it’s discouraging.

I'm quite certain COW did not invent player disappointment. Individual players have been complaining about being disappointed about one particular part of the game or another since forever. Vastly more people have been complaining about being disappointed about being unable to get the champion they want or even have a reasonable chance at them than I can recall being disappointed in actually being able to get them all or seeing someone else spend their way to getting them all.

As far as I'm concerned, Crystal Opening Whale is subsidizing Brian Grant, and it all evens out. ContestChampion can only exist in the same world as COW. WIthout the big spenders buying their way to the top, or sometimes even just the middle, there are no free to play players of any kind.

To get more technical, all games like this have progress curves and they have resource earning curves. I'm not really in a position at the moment to grind for the 5* featured (unless it is Ant Man or similarly low scoring champ) but players like me benefit all the same: far more players are getting 2000 or 1000 5* shards out of that arena, and we are only getting those second tier and third tier rewards because the juicy carrot at the top is in a sense counter-weighting them. The 5* featured is encouraging players to engage, to grind, and to spend. And the 200 5* featured champion rewards in a technical design sense subsidizes the 5* shards that several thousand more players get.

The game was fine before. But in this particular area, it is also fine now. Maybe it is causing a problem for some of the players that are acquiring all of the top champions quickly and getting bored. But I'm quite certain that there are only a tiny group of players that could be having that problem, and only a tiny fraction of them are actually having that problem, and it is a very small price to pay for the game to be giving much better champion earning opportunities for everyone else.

If Elon Musk offered to buy the game from Netmarble and he said he was going to keep it free to play forever, and he was going to cut the costs of all unit packages in half for everyone, but in exchange he wanted all of the champions in the game for himself to play, I doubt if many players would vote against that purchase. It would be a ridiculously small price to pay for the game to be cheaper for everyone else to play. That is exactly what I see when I see the Crystal Opening Whale's videos. I'm not at all disappointed. I see one person helping to make the game cheaper for everyone else. Collectively, that's the economic effect of the whales. We just don't see it, because we cannot visualize how expensive the game would be without them: it has never existed without them.

What's more, COW and players like him spend an awful lot for relatively little return on that investment comparatively speaking. He's probably spending dozens if not hundreds of times more than me, but he isn't getting dozens of times more gameplay. When players complain about the top end offers having low value, I can only shake my head and wonder why they can't see how much that actually benefits the rest of the players that don't spend much or anything. I can't convince anyone that's a good idea, I can only take solace in the fact that no amount of player complaints will change it, fortunately for 99% of the player population whether they know it or not.

IsThisLoss

DNA3000 wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

Guys this isn’t a brag post. And it’s not a joke.
If you could read past the 2nd sentence of my original post please.

Sure.

NickMerks wrote: »

Now we have people like “crystal opening whale”
Who just burn through thousands of dollars per day opening FGMC.
When people see stuff like that it’s discouraging.

I'm quite certain COW did not invent player disappointment. Individual players have been complaining about being disappointed about one particular part of the game or another since forever. Vastly more people have been complaining about being disappointed about being unable to get the champion they want or even have a reasonable chance at them than I can recall being disappointed in actually being able to get them all or seeing someone else spend their way to getting them all.

As far as I'm concerned, Crystal Opening Whale is subsidizing Brian Grant, and it all evens out. ContestChampion can only exist in the same world as COW. WIthout the big spenders buying their way to the top, or sometimes even just the middle, there are no free to play players of any kind.

To get more technical, all games like this have progress curves and they have resource earning curves. I'm not really in a position at the moment to grind for the 5* featured (unless it is Ant Man or similarly low scoring champ) but players like me benefit all the same: far more players are getting 2000 or 1000 5* shards out of that arena, and we are only getting those second tier and third tier rewards because the juicy carrot at the top is in a sense counter-weighting them. The 5* featured is encouraging players to engage, to grind, and to spend. And the 200 5* featured champion rewards in a technical design sense subsidizes the 5* shards that several thousand more players get.

The game was fine before. But in this particular area, it is also fine now. Maybe it is causing a problem for some of the players that are acquiring all of the top champions quickly and getting bored. But I'm quite certain that there are only a tiny group of players that could be having that problem, and only a tiny fraction of them are actually having that problem, and it is a very small price to pay for the game to be giving much better champion earning opportunities for everyone else.

If Elon Musk offered to buy the game from Netmarble and he said he was going to keep it free to play forever, and he was going to cut the costs of all unit packages in half for everyone, but in exchange he wanted all of the champions in the game for himself to play, I doubt if many players would vote against that purchase. It would be a ridiculously small price to pay for the game to be cheaper for everyone else to play. That is exactly what I see when I see the Crystal Opening Whale's videos. I'm not at all disappointed. I see one person helping to make the game cheaper for everyone else. Collectively, that's the economic effect of the whales. We just don't see it, because we cannot visualize how expensive the game would be without them: it has never existed without them.

What's more, COW and players like him spend an awful lot for relatively little return on that investment comparatively speaking. He's probably spending dozens if not hundreds of times more than me, but he isn't getting dozens of times more gameplay. When players complain about the top end offers having low value, I can only shake my head and wonder why they can't see how much that actually benefits the rest of the players that don't spend much or anything. I can't convince anyone that's a good idea, I can only take solace in the fact that no amount of player complaints will change it, fortunately for 99% of the player population whether they know it or not.

that's alot of reading

IsThisLoss wrote: »

that's alot of reading

@IsThisLoss He's right

Crystal whale + Brian grant = balanced game.
NOW that’s funny.

But when you have a resource in the game, and a top teir resource that people don’t even need anymore. And players are holding over 1million of it.
There is clearly an imbalance in the game.

Crystal opening whale is another Imballance in the game. Especially the fact that Kabam lets their game be played in this fashion.

NickMerks wrote: »

Crystal whale + Brian grant = balanced game.
NOW that’s funny.

But when you have a resource in the game, and a top teir resource that people don’t even need anymore. And players are holding over 1million of it.
There is clearly an imbalance in the game.

Crystal opening whale is another Imballance in the game. Especially the fact that Kabam lets their game be played in this fashion.

@NickMerks 1 million 5* shards doesn't get you 1st place in AW Seasons. Plenty of motivation to get that top spot. In case you missed my last comment, stop spending on arena and you'll need to save shards for featured crystals again.

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

Crystal whale + Brian grant = balanced game.
NOW that’s funny.

But when you have a resource in the game, and a top teir resource that people don’t even need anymore. And players are holding over 1million of it.
There is clearly an imbalance in the game.

Crystal opening whale is another Imballance in the game. Especially the fact that Kabam lets their game be played in this fashion.

@NickMerks 1 million 5* shards doesn't get you 1st place in AW Seasons. Plenty of motivation to get that top spot. In case you missed my last comment, stop spending on arena and you'll need to save shards for featured crystals again.

That’s exactly my point. I could not spend 5* shards the next 3 seasons. And it wouldn’t effect me in the slightest.

NickMerks wrote: »

Crystal whale + Brian grant = balanced game.
NOW that’s funny.

But when you have a resource in the game, and a top teir resource that people don’t even need anymore. And players are holding over 1million of it.
There is clearly an imbalance in the game.

Crystal opening whale is another Imballance in the game. Especially the fact that Kabam lets their game be played in this fashion.

Actually the top tier resource would be 6* shards. So why is he holding onto those when he could get a ton of 6* shards and in turn quite a few 6*?

V1PER1987 wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

Crystal whale + Brian grant = balanced game.
NOW that’s funny.

But when you have a resource in the game, and a top teir resource that people don’t even need anymore. And players are holding over 1million of it.
There is clearly an imbalance in the game.

Crystal opening whale is another Imballance in the game. Especially the fact that Kabam lets their game be played in this fashion.

Actually the top tier resource would be 6* shards. So why is he holding onto those when he could get a ton of 6* shards and in turn quite a few 6*?

What do six star shards have to do with five star arena breaking the game?

So far you’re only suggestions have been quit the game or take a break

DNA3000

NickMerks wrote: »

Crystal whale + Brian grant = balanced game.
NOW that’s funny.

But when you have a resource in the game, and a top teir resource that people don’t even need anymore. And players are holding over 1million of it.
There is clearly an imbalance in the game.

Crystal opening whale is another Imballance in the game. Especially the fact that Kabam lets their game be played in this fashion.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

NickMerks wrote: »

V1PER1987 wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

Crystal whale + Brian grant = balanced game.
NOW that’s funny.

But when you have a resource in the game, and a top teir resource that people don’t even need anymore. And players are holding over 1million of it.
There is clearly an imbalance in the game.

Crystal opening whale is another Imballance in the game. Especially the fact that Kabam lets their game be played in this fashion.

Actually the top tier resource would be 6* shards. So why is he holding onto those when he could get a ton of 6* shards and in turn quite a few 6*?

What do six star shards have to do with five star arena breaking the game?

So far you’re only suggestions have been quit the game or take a break

Yeah and they’re both legitimate suggestions if you find the game boring and monotonous. It’s a game, you’re supposed to enjoy. If you don’t what’s the point in playing it?

NickMerks wrote: »

That’s exactly my point. I could not spend 5* shards the next 3 seasons. And it wouldn’t effect me in the slightest.

You ignored my point. No one has repeated as AW Season champions. Master tier players don't care about 5* shards when they're competing for resources to take a 5* champion to 5/65 every few months. You also haven't responded to other posts on this thread that provide evidence to counter your OP. If your goal is to prove a point and not rant, address what other players have said. Even if you disagree with them explaining why gives your points more merit.

DarkestDestroyer

NickMerks wrote: »

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

Crystal whale + Brian grant = balanced game.
NOW that’s funny.

But when you have a resource in the game, and a top teir resource that people don’t even need anymore. And players are holding over 1million of it.
There is clearly an imbalance in the game.

Crystal opening whale is another Imballance in the game. Especially the fact that Kabam lets their game be played in this fashion.

@NickMerks 1 million 5* shards doesn't get you 1st place in AW Seasons. Plenty of motivation to get that top spot. In case you missed my last comment, stop spending on arena and you'll need to save shards for featured crystals again.

That’s exactly my point. I could not spend 5* shards the next 3 seasons. And it wouldn’t effect me in the slightest.

But it’s your own fault through doing arena.

For me 5* shards are a much needed resource as I have no time to grind arena, or like most do, pay a merc.

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

That’s exactly my point. I could not spend 5* shards the next 3 seasons. And it wouldn’t effect me in the slightest.

You ignored my point. No one has repeated as AW Season champions. Master tier players don't care about 5* shards when they're competing for resources to take a 5* champion to 5/65 every few months. You also haven't responded to other posts on this thread that provide evidence to counter your OP. If your goal is to prove a point and not rant, address what other players have said. Even if you disagree with them explaining why gives your points more merit.

dkatryl

If only those extra shards generated dupes to existing champs and, in turn, 6* shards.

Those are some pretty bad 1st world problems you have there.

DNA3000

dkatryl wrote: »

If only those extra shards generated dupes to existing champs and, in turn, 6* shards.

A while ago I posted a theory of mine that loosely summarized tried to make the point that 6* champions didn't make 4* champions redundant, in a weird sense they actually made 5* champs redundant in the long term. I wasn't sure how obvious this idea was: clearly it isn't very obvious.

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

NickMerks wrote: »

That’s exactly my point. I could not spend 5* shards the next 3 seasons. And it wouldn’t effect me in the slightest.

You ignored my point. No one has repeated as AW Season champions. Master tier players don't care about 5* shards when they're competing for resources to take a 5* champion to 5/65 every few months. You also haven't responded to other posts on this thread that provide evidence to counter your OP. If your goal is to prove a point and not rant, address what other players have said. Even if you disagree with them explaining why gives your points more merit.

I’m trying my best. And judging by ur post I think you agree that master teir players have little interest in 5* shards. Why? Because with the 5* arenas they can have whichever champion they want immediately upon release. Not because they are chasing t5b.

5* champions should be obtained through 5* crystals.

Players can effectively generate as many 5* champions as they was via FGMC.

And the can manipulate which ever champions they want via Arena.

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