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Archangel and double edge/suicides mastery interaction

_Rogueyy__Rogueyy_ Member Posts: 25 ★
edited January 2020 in Bugs and Known Issues
Was just wondering if Archangels neurotoxin is suppose to proc when fighting him with suicides
His description on neurotoxin passive states “if a bleed and a poison that he caused will be converted into a neurotoxin”
So my question is if the mastery causes the poison debuff how is archangel the one that caused it








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  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,159 ★★★★★
    Archangel applied that bleed from the ability he received from the node. Pretty much that.
    Any bleed debuff placed on your champion while you have a poison debuff already will convert both in to a neurotoxin, while fightning AA.
  • _Rogueyy__Rogueyy_ Member Posts: 25 ★
    edited January 2020
    will-o-wisp said:

    Archangel applied that bleed from the ability he received from the node. Pretty much that.
    Any bleed debuff placed on your champion while you have a poison debuff already will convert both in to a neurotoxin, while fightning AA.

    No he didn’t I started the fight with suicides this first pic is the start of fight and the second pic is when it got converted
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 12,033 ★★★★★
    _Rogueyy_ said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Archangel applied that bleed from the ability he received from the node. Pretty much that.
    Any bleed debuff placed on your champion while you have a poison debuff already will convert both in to a neurotoxin, while fightning AA.

    No he didn’t I started the fight with suicides this first pic is the start of fight and the second pic is when it got converted
    When u get your mastery setup so u take licge carge first then DE
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  • _Rogueyy__Rogueyy_ Member Posts: 25 ★
    Agentk said:

    _Rogueyy_ said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Archangel applied that bleed from the ability he received from the node. Pretty much that.
    Any bleed debuff placed on your champion while you have a poison debuff already will convert both in to a neurotoxin, while fightning AA.

    No he didn’t I started the fight with suicides this first pic is the start of fight and the second pic is when it got converted
    Is that in uncollected difficultly because that’s a biohazard archangel
    Yes it is but this was the start of the fight as you can see so technically he didn’t proc either bleed or poison my masteries did cause I run suicides try it for yourself, it doesn’t seem like it should work like this
  • _Rogueyy__Rogueyy_ Member Posts: 25 ★
    Gamer said:

    _Rogueyy_ said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Archangel applied that bleed from the ability he received from the node. Pretty much that.
    Any bleed debuff placed on your champion while you have a poison debuff already will convert both in to a neurotoxin, while fightning AA.

    No he didn’t I started the fight with suicides this first pic is the start of fight and the second pic is when it got converted
    When u get your mastery setup so u take licge carge first then DE
    Gamer said:

    _Rogueyy_ said:

    will-o-wisp said:

    Archangel applied that bleed from the ability he received from the node. Pretty much that.
    Any bleed debuff placed on your champion while you have a poison debuff already will convert both in to a neurotoxin, while fightning AA.

    No he didn’t I started the fight with suicides this first pic is the start of fight and the second pic is when it got converted
    When u get your mastery setup so u take licge carge first then DE
    Having a hard time understanding what this says
  • Lvernon15Lvernon15 Member Posts: 11,601 ★★★★★
    _Rogueyy_ said:

    Was just wondering if Archangels neurotoxin is suppose to proc when fighting him with suicides
    His description on neurotoxin passive states “if a bleed and a poison that he caused will be converted into a neurotoxin”
    So my question is if the mastery causes the poison debuff how is archangel the one that caused it








    That is triggering because of biohazard node, I think they changed suicides so the bleed triggers first to prevent it happening in a normal fight, but biohazard bleed with the poison is fair game for aa
  • Crumb3307Crumb3307 Member Posts: 348 ★★
    edited January 2020
    No one seems to read the initial post, his question has nothing to do with bio hazard. He started with a poison, that poison turned into neurotoxin because of biohazard, but the ability description says when bleed is applied to a poison that HE caused, which AA didn’t cause the poison. I’ve applied neurotoxin in arena doing this, so it is normal, however, it shouldn’t happen according to the ability description. Of course, Nick Fury shouldn’t be blocked from getting full health from heal prevention according to ability description either.
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  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    edited January 2020
    This is funny to read.

    Strictly speaking the poison wasn’t applied by AA so the poison being converted contradicts the description. But we’ve managed for close to 3 years now.
  • Crumb3307Crumb3307 Member Posts: 348 ★★
    Agentk said:

    Crumb3307 said:

    No one seems to read the initial post, his question has nothing to do with bio hazard. He started with a poison, that poison turned into neurotoxin because of biohazard, but the ability description says when bleed is applied to a poison that HE caused, which AA didn’t cause the poison. I’ve applied neurotoxin in arena doing this, so it is normal, however, it shouldn’t happen according to the ability description. Of course, Nick Fury shouldn’t be blocked from getting full health from heal prevention according to ability description either.

    I run suicides and this isn’t the case if you look at the images he clearly doesn’t start with a neurotoxin and only gets it once the bleed from biohazard is applied
    I understand that, but that is completely beside the point of the original post. The description says when a bleed is applied to an enemy with poison that HE, AA, has applied. AA didn’t apply the poison, it’s from suicides, so according to the ability description that the original post screen shotted, biohazard bleed shouldn’t create neurotoxin unless he also gets a biohazard poison first.

    I’m not saying it’s a bug, I even said I know that suicides can lead to neurotoxin. I’m saying according to the ability description, it shouldn’t.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,159 ★★★★★
    The nodes give abilities to the champion itself. According to the abilities, the bleed from biohazard was applied by Archangel
  • Crumb3307Crumb3307 Member Posts: 348 ★★
    But the poison from suicide masteries wasn’t. That’s the entire point of his original post. The ability says that the poison had to be caused by AA. Since it wasn’t, according to the ability description, that poison shouldn’t lead to neurotoxin.
    His original post has absolutely nothing to do with the biohazard bleed, I don’t know why every reply is referring to that.
  • SheDroveMeHereSheDroveMeHere Member Posts: 139 ★★
    This isn't really new...If you play in arena as AA, and come up against a player with suicides it places a Neurotoxin immediately after the first heavy. It's not really right, but I'm not complaining.
  • Camby01Camby01 Member Posts: 572 ★★
    Aa has done that to opponents running suicides for as long as I can remember 4+years
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