MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » LegendsForged wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it? https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes. Thanks for sharing. Why not? flare basically make you stronger then before ending fights fast I meant thanks for sharing the video. As for flare, there are a lot of bugs in the game and now we'll be dealing with flare every 2 days. At least I can choose to not the Act 5 until some of the bugs are fixed. I have Vision and Ms. Marvel in my questing team. I can't avoid AW forever cause I am in an alliance. Can't stay and be selfish. The attack boost from flare is fun, but no champ is immune to Degen. If it's only on a few nodes then sure it'll Be fine. But if there's an entire path of it that will be disappointing, I don't think there will be but who knows. I'd rather face thorns than flare because it can be countered with ability accuracy. Tanky bleed immune champs on that node are going to do a significant amount of Degen damage to attackers. If it's just one node in a path then fair enough. But if there's a few on one path then there's a good chance you'll lose a couple of champs regardless of how well you play. That and the removal of defender kill points take away from the skill element that AW has. But until we've seen the full map and nodes it's all just speculation anyway, I think AW will still Be good, but we'll have to wait and see. If they replace all Thorns nodes, there will be enough to make it annoying. Also there are champs aside from tanks who will be quite annoying on the flare nodes. True, was just using that as an example. I can imagine people like evaders or Hyperion could be useful there too since you have to play a bit more defensively. But they'll still take massive bleed damage from the attack boost so maybe not as effective as champs like king groot or dormammu etc
Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » LegendsForged wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it? https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes. Thanks for sharing. Why not? flare basically make you stronger then before ending fights fast I meant thanks for sharing the video. As for flare, there are a lot of bugs in the game and now we'll be dealing with flare every 2 days. At least I can choose to not the Act 5 until some of the bugs are fixed. I have Vision and Ms. Marvel in my questing team. I can't avoid AW forever cause I am in an alliance. Can't stay and be selfish. The attack boost from flare is fun, but no champ is immune to Degen. If it's only on a few nodes then sure it'll Be fine. But if there's an entire path of it that will be disappointing, I don't think there will be but who knows. I'd rather face thorns than flare because it can be countered with ability accuracy. Tanky bleed immune champs on that node are going to do a significant amount of Degen damage to attackers. If it's just one node in a path then fair enough. But if there's a few on one path then there's a good chance you'll lose a couple of champs regardless of how well you play. That and the removal of defender kill points take away from the skill element that AW has. But until we've seen the full map and nodes it's all just speculation anyway, I think AW will still Be good, but we'll have to wait and see. If they replace all Thorns nodes, there will be enough to make it annoying. Also there are champs aside from tanks who will be quite annoying on the flare nodes.
MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » LegendsForged wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it? https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes. Thanks for sharing. Why not? flare basically make you stronger then before ending fights fast I meant thanks for sharing the video. As for flare, there are a lot of bugs in the game and now we'll be dealing with flare every 2 days. At least I can choose to not the Act 5 until some of the bugs are fixed. I have Vision and Ms. Marvel in my questing team. I can't avoid AW forever cause I am in an alliance. Can't stay and be selfish. The attack boost from flare is fun, but no champ is immune to Degen. If it's only on a few nodes then sure it'll Be fine. But if there's an entire path of it that will be disappointing, I don't think there will be but who knows. I'd rather face thorns than flare because it can be countered with ability accuracy. Tanky bleed immune champs on that node are going to do a significant amount of Degen damage to attackers. If it's just one node in a path then fair enough. But if there's a few on one path then there's a good chance you'll lose a couple of champs regardless of how well you play. That and the removal of defender kill points take away from the skill element that AW has. But until we've seen the full map and nodes it's all just speculation anyway, I think AW will still Be good, but we'll have to wait and see.
Jon8299 wrote: » LegendsForged wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it? https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes. Thanks for sharing. Why not? flare basically make you stronger then before ending fights fast I meant thanks for sharing the video. As for flare, there are a lot of bugs in the game and now we'll be dealing with flare every 2 days. At least I can choose to not the Act 5 until some of the bugs are fixed. I have Vision and Ms. Marvel in my questing team. I can't avoid AW forever cause I am in an alliance. Can't stay and be selfish.
LegendsForged wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it? https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes. Thanks for sharing. Why not? flare basically make you stronger then before ending fights fast
Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it? https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes. Thanks for sharing.
MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it? https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes.
Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it?
Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money
Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml
Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » LegendsForged wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » MegaSkater67 wrote: » Jon8299 wrote: » Jaffacaked wrote: » Voluntaris wrote: » just watched the official MCOC 4 min video on new Alliance Wars .... *sigh* "We're removing defender kill points ... BUT upping attacker kill points!" --- which is ridiculous when both alliances get 100% explore (Which happens a TON in higher tier AW) ... so should state "We're removing defender kill points ... SO Alliance War becomes much more pay to win and when both alliances burn their wallets dry .... the WIN will come down to MUH DIVERSITY defenders!" fml Not just that but they say they got rid of thorns like they're doing us a favour, then they go an add nodes like flare which is just degen. Honestly that's just takes no skill or specific champ it's just unavoidable damage. Everything screams it's a cash grab an we want your money Sorry guys, I can't find the video you speak of. Could you post a link to it? https://youtu.be/eroAvZtoHok Layout seems good but I'm not a fan of flare either. Hope it's not on many nodes. Thanks for sharing. Why not? flare basically make you stronger then before ending fights fast I meant thanks for sharing the video. As for flare, there are a lot of bugs in the game and now we'll be dealing with flare every 2 days. At least I can choose to not the Act 5 until some of the bugs are fixed. I have Vision and Ms. Marvel in my questing team. I can't avoid AW forever cause I am in an alliance. Can't stay and be selfish. The attack boost from flare is fun, but no champ is immune to Degen. If it's only on a few nodes then sure it'll Be fine. But if there's an entire path of it that will be disappointing, I don't think there will be but who knows. I'd rather face thorns than flare because it can be countered with ability accuracy. Tanky bleed immune champs on that node are going to do a significant amount of Degen damage to attackers. If it's just one node in a path then fair enough. But if there's a few on one path then there's a good chance you'll lose a couple of champs regardless of how well you play. That and the removal of defender kill points take away from the skill element that AW has. But until we've seen the full map and nodes it's all just speculation anyway, I think AW will still Be good, but we'll have to wait and see. If they replace all Thorns nodes, there will be enough to make it annoying. Also there are champs aside from tanks who will be quite annoying on the flare nodes. True, was just using that as an example. I can imagine people like evaders or Hyperion could be useful there too since you have to play a bit more defensively. But they'll still take massive bleed damage from the attack boost so maybe not as effective as champs like king groot or dormammu etc I think Flare could end wars for some alliances if key champs are placed there. Of course I could be and hope I'm wrong.
Greywarden wrote: » I have another example of a war we barely won solely due to defense kills. @Kabam Miike I know you're only the voice of the game team but taking away defensive kills from points totals is going to make people not even try once they reach the "pay to win tier." If you guys are really concerned with people having a feeling of defeat, there will be no greater feeling of defeat when you go up against an item alliance and you don't have the resources to match. Also, reattaching my initial example from before the above war
Kabam Miike wrote: » Purveyor wrote: » Nice account a certain moderator has for level 36. Especially when they have said over and over again they get nothing free and no preferential treatment. That's a test account! It doesn't play on the Live Server, and is only used for videos.
Purveyor wrote: » Nice account a certain moderator has for level 36. Especially when they have said over and over again they get nothing free and no preferential treatment.
Kabam Miike wrote: » We have addressed that a few times. As we said, that was not the goal with the change. The goal with the removal of Defender kills wasn't to increase the use of Potions or Revives, but to relieve the feeling of defeat that comes with taking one shot at a defender, losing, and feeling that you're now helping the other Alliance, so you stop playing, even though you have 2 perfectly good attackers still there.
Eeaattmmee wrote: » Greywarden wrote: » I have another example of a war we barely won solely due to defense kills. @Kabam Miike I know you're only the voice of the game team but taking away defensive kills from points totals is going to make people not even try once they reach the "pay to win tier." If you guys are really concerned with people having a feeling of defeat, there will be no greater feeling of defeat when you go up against an item alliance and you don't have the resources to match. Also, reattaching my initial example from before the above war Wow, @Greywarden am an officer in AuAv, you consider us pay to win..... yeah occasionally we use items that we have saved, but otherwise no, we are a free to play alliance. No spending required
loki_ikol wrote: » @Greywarden you couldn't be more wrong about Alliance AUAV - we're definitely not pay for play We're a not going to pay to play alliance! You were almost beaten fair and square! We use items we earned and saved!
Maximus_Spankerson wrote: » @Kabam Miike , regarding removal of defender kills in AW scoring, please confirm the following scenario: 2 alliances battle, each achieving 100% exploration. One with higher defender diversity wins, if my understanding is correct. Now, let's extend this notion one step further. Alliance who is committed to 100% their opponents (as most top 20 war alliances do), would simply drop all possible champions on the map. It becomes irrelevant what the opponent does, as long as you 100% them and have better diversity.. Taking it even further, those alliances with players who have rare champions like Kang and Thanos would be guaranteed greater champion diversity than their opponent who do not have Thanos on anyone's roster. As such, they are guaranteed a win regardless what the opponent does (if they 100%). Please correct me if I am wrong...
Jon8299 wrote: » In tier 6 I think you start seeing thorns on unavoidable plaths. The other problem is, will we all have the same map now, or will there be differences in difficulty like the old maps?
MikeHock wrote: » More time consuming, more demanding, push for more item use and more spending.... what is the benefit to the players?
GodMan114 wrote: » I, too, like others, have detect masteries. I am hoping there is reimbursement for these, or is there another use? I see a boatload of peopple asking about detect masteries, and have not been able to find an answer. ARE THEY USELESS NOW? They're unncessary for AQ since we all find out what the champs are anyway. Detect masteries were useful in AW... now what?
GodMan114 wrote: » @MEŦAPħҰS thanks, bud!!! 22 pages is hard to look through... I looked through for like 20 min then gave up... thanks again.