End Game RNG Bottleneck

DhopsDhops Member Posts: 37
I've put a lot of thought into why so many people seem ready to leave alliances behind or quit the game entirely recently and I think it stems from a disconnect that has been building over time between (1) the difficulty of content and (2) the rewards (and RNG associated with the rewards). Note that I'm an end game player and so this may not be true at all levels, but my roster of champions and resources is probably one of the top in the game and I am still seeing this growing disconnect that leaves a lot of players in limbo for what they can actually do to enjoy this game anymore.

I think the easiest way to describe the disconnect is from a resource allocation perspective:

6 Stars - 6* shards are still incredibly scarce to come by (a master alliance war season, for example, nets you less than 1 featured 6* pull), but despite this, 6*s are being added to the basic crystal at a pretty high clip and the "old" champions being added are, across the board, some of the worst champs in the game. All this is doing is diluting the pool of good 6* champs without an increase in shards to compensate. It shouldn't be the case that the basic 6* a year or 18 months ago gave you better odds at getting something good unless the 6* shard flow has increased to a level where the number of crystals you can open compensates. It hasn't so ultimately your 6* roster is harder to develop now that it was previously (unless you are a massive spender on CCs), which leads to a bad interaction with T5CC.

T5CC - T5CC are the current rank up bottleneck for the end game players and the scarcity of them is understandable, but the biggest issue here is that they are too RNG based (given the point on 6* roster development from above). The last two resource bottlenecks were T2A and T5B (none of which are class specific). Given the inability to develop a good 6* roster due to the lack of shards and the diluted pool, having a class specific bottleneck leads to the discrepancy where your development is double hit by RNG (prior bottle necks focused the RNG on only champion pulls and not the resource). With the combination, you can either get stuck by not pulling good champs, not pulling the right T5CC or both. That basically spirals into AQ prestige race problems which further exacerbates the disparity.

The easiest fix for the 6* / T5CC disparity is to increase the availability of 6* shards and stop adding the worst champions in the game to the 6* crystal (alternatively Kabam could actually rework those early champs on a timeline that isn't 6 months for one champ). You could manage this in a number of ways (allow incursions to have 6* rewards, increase AW rewards, add a new level of monthly content, or just generally increase 6* rewards in recurring content).

When you combine the above with the general difficult creep that is happening throughout the contest, there is less and less motivation to do anything other than go through the motions. AW added defensive tactics (which is solely an increase in the difficulty of AW and has had the effect of just creating one overpowered defensive node that everyone uses and limits the champions that can be used on attack), the Act 7 beta has not come up with creative ways of challenging people (just stick some new nodes with old ones and increase health), variant is still focused on 5*s, and AQ has reached the point where we are just going through the motions. Unless something changes soon, I expect we'll see a lot more end game players giving up in the near future.

Comments

  • SuperiorSymbioteSuperiorSymbiote Member Posts: 1,862 ★★★★★
    Eesh you guys go through a lot
  • DhopsDhops Member Posts: 37
    Das_gi said:

    Yeah nothing like getting 6* cyclops and black panther for 100% of abyss and getting 6* punisher 2099 and 6* modok as the only okay champ in your 6* nexus for 100% of act 6 @Dhops

    How about getting 3 Science T5CC from 100% Abyss and having it be the first T5CC you form from shards too?
  • Das_giDas_gi Member Posts: 320 ★★
    Damn: HT, thing and void?
  • DataCoolDataCool Member Posts: 17
    I totally agree with @Dhops , i know a lot(really a lot) of players getting T5CC all of the same class after finishing 100% Abyss. For me it was 3x Tech(and i'm close to forming a 4th), a friend of mine 3x mutant(close to forming a 4th) .... There's definitely to much RNG on this high rare rewards. This is really taken fun away from this game and turns it to frustration. Also I know people who popped like over 10x 15k 6*, just to get one **** feature champ of the feature crystal, but they got none ......
    We need some changes otherwise the high end game players will disapear ....
  • MauledMauled Member, Guardian Posts: 3,957 Guardian
    100% agree. T5CC needs to be more accessible and so too do 5 and especially 6* shards. I’m in a T2 alliance so roughly top 100 alliance in the game out of 1000s of active alliances and 10s of 1000s of active players and I get 750 5* for beating one of my peers. Frankly it should be double and all of the season rewards need the same treatment
  • rwhackrwhack Member Posts: 1,061 ★★★
    The fact that 70% of the 6 star pool is useless is an issue. They keep adding more of the bad champs to it and then you go for a feature and you can get iron patriot, Joe fixit, Karnak, etc.

    There is no way to take the time to go back and make all those champs useful. They should be subtracted from the 6 star pull and changed to shards or they need to massively bump up the shards given. Love that my war rewards amounted to Gamora and Pslocke.

    Threads like this generally get shut down but the point made is valid. The other point is that 80% of their business comes from 20% of their base. Not sure why that 20% doesn’t get heard the way the other 80% thinks they do.
  • StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Member Posts: 5,019 ★★★★★
    My favorite was getting a mutant t5cc from Abyss when I don't have a single mutant champ that's useable for anything, even alliance war defense. Four months later and I still don't.
    Two things are killing this game RNG and the scarcity of resources. To me, the best way to fix this is to either up the amount of resources or replace all crystals with nexus crystals.
  • TheMailmannTheMailmann Member Posts: 120 ★★
    I think that endgame content should reward a 6 star crystal with a limited pool of only good champs, that would make the reward more satisfying even though it is difficult
  • WeAreNotVenomWeAreNotVenom Member Posts: 126 ★★★
    edited May 2020
    @StevieManWonder wasn't 6.2.5 hell even with ghost and doom?
  • Conan72Conan72 Member Posts: 1
    Fully agree with Dhops

    And I must say I had enough of pulling IP or KG from featured crytals.
  • StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Member Posts: 5,019 ★★★★★

    @StevieManWonder sorry bout that lol. I tried and failed many times at it. Sadly I have no ghost or doom

    The sad thing is that Doom is only useable for about 75% of the fights and you need to use him for the boss, so you're gonna have to revive and heal him. Horrible, horrible quest.
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  • rwhackrwhack Member Posts: 1,061 ★★★

    My favorite was getting a mutant t5cc from Abyss when I don't have a single mutant champ that's useable for anything, even alliance war defense. Four months later and I still don't.
    Two things are killing this game RNG and the scarcity of resources. To me, the best way to fix this is to either up the amount of resources or replace all crystals with nexus crystals.

    I got two cosmic so I could only use one and a mutant that’s useless unless you find Bishop or ST to be game changers.

    They should be nexus

  • PurpleIsPimpinPurpleIsPimpin Member Posts: 48
    I am a current top 5 ally member and this is hitting home right now. The game has a total of 4 possible t5cc crystals, abyss and act 6. Of those 4, I pulled a science t5cc 3 times! With the way the prestige race is and the lack of 6* stones, effectively I am forced to either join a lesser ally(not happening) or retire. I wish there was some sort of trade in crystal, like we have the t4cc, where I could swap my 2 useless science t5cc for a shot at another random class. Unfortunately the rng has pushed towards retirement
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