Honest, simple question: Is it too late for a Gear system?

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  • ccrider474ccrider474 Member Posts: 675 ★★★
    A gear system doesn't fix that but adds to it. Because I would use that gear on corvus and make him better and that compounds the issue. Or it's champ specific which creates more grinding.

    Unique syn fixes it and makes champs usable. How much better is strange with his syn that counterspell does damage. Little tweaks that make a new champ more desirable and older more usable is always the solution. It causes no more grinding than already in game.

    Maybe better unique syns if you like or a rework of older champs is what your looking for.
  • ahock101ahock101 Member Posts: 118
    Unfortunately I don't think this is viable for mcoc as kabam by the look of things are going to use a gear system in mroc, why implement it here and potentially stop players moving to their new game
  • ccrider474ccrider474 Member Posts: 675 ★★★

    Where they are already trying without gear.

    Use og cap as an example. What does he got? Crazy block proficiency and highly duped he us a perfect block machine. He stops astral evade with his fatigue. But his attack sucks and no immunity so pretty much useless. Use his syn that fatigue drops power gain by 110% and all of a sudden he has power control utility. He instantly gained a use. Pair him with some attack syn as well and he is a useable champ for content.

    Will he be used no because we as players find the easiest fastest solution. You end up with up with you need x to clear what ever for less resources.

    If you want to ask for something ask for nodes that requires specific champs to go away.

    A system where OG Cap sucks unless you have him highly duped and then still pair him with Longshot but then he still kinda sucks is not close to a satisfactory solution.
    As compared to a gear system where he needs highly duped, paired with long shot and needs gear x. Sounds like less work.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,948 ★★★★★
    The gear system is going to implemented in MROC, so I doubt it’ll be used here. I wish, but it’ll never happen.
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Member Posts: 2,405 ★★★★★

    Where they are already trying without gear.

    Use og cap as an example. What does he got? Crazy block proficiency and highly duped he us a perfect block machine. He stops astral evade with his fatigue. But his attack sucks and no immunity so pretty much useless. Use his syn that fatigue drops power gain by 110% and all of a sudden he has power control utility. He instantly gained a use. Pair him with some attack syn as well and he is a useable champ for content.

    Will he be used no because we as players find the easiest fastest solution. You end up with up with you need x to clear what ever for less resources.

    If you want to ask for something ask for nodes that requires specific champs to go away.

    A system where OG Cap sucks unless you have him highly duped and then still pair him with Longshot but then he still kinda sucks is not close to a satisfactory solution.
    As compared to a gear system where he needs highly duped, paired with long shot and needs gear x. Sounds like less work.
    The way it is now is better than just plopping in gear, but neither is good.
  • ESFESF Member Posts: 2,014 ★★★★★

    Where they are already trying without gear.

    Use og cap as an example. What does he got? Crazy block proficiency and highly duped he us a perfect block machine. He stops astral evade with his fatigue. But his attack sucks and no immunity so pretty much useless. Use his syn that fatigue drops power gain by 110% and all of a sudden he has power control utility. He instantly gained a use. Pair him with some attack syn as well and he is a useable champ for content.

    Will he be used no because we as players find the easiest fastest solution. You end up with up with you need x to clear what ever for less resources.

    If you want to ask for something ask for nodes that requires specific champs to go away.

    A system where OG Cap sucks unless you have him highly duped and then still pair him with Longshot but then he still kinda sucks is not close to a satisfactory solution.
    As compared to a gear system where he needs highly duped, paired with long shot and needs gear x. Sounds like less work.
    Synergies aren't the answer, because we already have them and they haven't solved a single problem this game has, and won't, because a synergy doesn't help you if you don't have the character in the first place

    Seriously: Why do you think Act 6 is gated for 4-stars? Why do you think that is?

    They're not gonna let you drag along a 4-star Heimdall or 4-star Masacre so you can faceroll with Domino or whoever

    Synergies make it so you're even more dependent on pulling even more characters
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Member Posts: 2,405 ★★★★★
    edited May 2020
    ESF said:

    Where they are already trying without gear.

    Use og cap as an example. What does he got? Crazy block proficiency and highly duped he us a perfect block machine. He stops astral evade with his fatigue. But his attack sucks and no immunity so pretty much useless. Use his syn that fatigue drops power gain by 110% and all of a sudden he has power control utility. He instantly gained a use. Pair him with some attack syn as well and he is a useable champ for content.

    Will he be used no because we as players find the easiest fastest solution. You end up with up with you need x to clear what ever for less resources.

    If you want to ask for something ask for nodes that requires specific champs to go away.

    A system where OG Cap sucks unless you have him highly duped and then still pair him with Longshot but then he still kinda sucks is not close to a satisfactory solution.
    As compared to a gear system where he needs highly duped, paired with long shot and needs gear x. Sounds like less work.
    Synergies aren't the answer, because we already have them and they haven't solved a single problem this game has, and won't, because a synergy doesn't help you if you don't have the character in the first place

    Seriously: Why do you think Act 6 is gated for 4-stars? Why do you think that is?

    They're not gonna let you drag along a 4-star Heimdall or 4-star Masacre so you can faceroll with Domino or whoever

    Synergies make it so you're even more dependent on pulling even more characters
    Self-synergies so as not to disrupt regular quest CPU defenders or AW defense. Bonus: it should happen significantly faster because the impact would make a much smaller footprint on the game.
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  • ESFESF Member Posts: 2,014 ★★★★★
    Knation said:

    They need to just do slight buffs to tons of champs from stuff like health to attack boost o increasing potency of they abilities
    Things like this won’t take long and they can still continue on with the full reworks

    See, I actually agree with this. That is really what I want.

    But people keep telling me that they can’t or won’t, because of how long it takes

    There has to be some kind of answer out there that addresses the problem and doesn’t take another 8 months

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  • ccrider474ccrider474 Member Posts: 675 ★★★
    ESF said:

    Where they are already trying without gear.

    Use og cap as an example. What does he got? Crazy block proficiency and highly duped he us a perfect block machine. He stops astral evade with his fatigue. But his attack sucks and no immunity so pretty much useless. Use his syn that fatigue drops power gain by 110% and all of a sudden he has power control utility. He instantly gained a use. Pair him with some attack syn as well and he is a useable champ for content.

    Will he be used no because we as players find the easiest fastest solution. You end up with up with you need x to clear what ever for less resources.

    If you want to ask for something ask for nodes that requires specific champs to go away.

    A system where OG Cap sucks unless you have him highly duped and then still pair him with Longshot but then he still kinda sucks is not close to a satisfactory solution.
    As compared to a gear system where he needs highly duped, paired with long shot and needs gear x. Sounds like less work.
    Synergies aren't the answer, because we already have them and they haven't solved a single problem this game has, and won't, because a synergy doesn't help you if you don't have the character in the first place

    Seriously: Why do you think Act 6 is gated for 4-stars? Why do you think that is?

    They're not gonna let you drag along a 4-star Heimdall or 4-star Masacre so you can faceroll with Domino or whoever

    Synergies make it so you're even more dependent on pulling even more characters
    And gear makes it dependent on getting that champ and getting his gear.
  • Pancake_FacePancake_Face Member Posts: 1,390 ★★★★
    edited May 2020
    it's too late. You're talking about a major revamp that Kabam won't do. Like if you want a gear system they might as well make MCOC 2. It's just not possible because new champs come out all the time so would they have to then specifically make a gear that makes them better and on top of that demi to above god tier champs would be allowed this as well which in turn makes them OP and can clear stuff faster. Once Kabam sees this they'll make content way harder and the gear system would be the next cash grab for them because they would come out with a gear that makes this super impossible content easy and then they'll rinse wash repeat. That's something i don't want to be apart of
  • AleorAleor Member Posts: 3,100 ★★★★★
    Those gears would still need balancing, and would introduce that gears as well, witch you'd have to bring somehow as well. I'd prefer them just buffing trashy champs massively, like 12.0, but buff, not nerf. Or just removing lame champs like iron patriot or mkk
  • Bgchow13Bgchow13 Member Posts: 39
    ESF said:

    Bgchow13 said:

    The time and money spent to create a gear system would be better spent updating champions via the Community's Choice. Each piece of gear would need to be coded, as well as, and designed artistically to make it a more attractive purchase.

    Besides, one of the hallmarks of Realm of Champions is going to be gear customization. Kabam is not going to hamstring their new project for the sake of adding the same feature to an older project when it isn’t even cost effective or feasible.

    I am curious how many people will play both games. I am not looking for another game and definitely am not spending on another, but I might give it a try
    I heard somewhere that Kabam might link the games in a crossover event where players who play MCOC would also get ROC rewards and vice-versa. At least at release. But I don’t know how accurate that information is.

    I do agree with you though with how many people would play both games. I have been playing MCOC since the beginning. Why would I ditch my roster and start from scratch on a new Marvel game just because it highlights a gear system? I wouldn’t and I doubt many upper tier and long-term players are too.

    I always doubted Kabam's business decision on this one.
  • ESFESF Member Posts: 2,014 ★★★★★
    Bgchow13 said:

    ESF said:

    Bgchow13 said:

    The time and money spent to create a gear system would be better spent updating champions via the Community's Choice. Each piece of gear would need to be coded, as well as, and designed artistically to make it a more attractive purchase.

    Besides, one of the hallmarks of Realm of Champions is going to be gear customization. Kabam is not going to hamstring their new project for the sake of adding the same feature to an older project when it isn’t even cost effective or feasible.

    I am curious how many people will play both games. I am not looking for another game and definitely am not spending on another, but I might give it a try
    I heard somewhere that Kabam might link the games in a crossover event where players who play MCOC would also get ROC rewards and vice-versa. At least at release. But I don’t know how accurate that information is.

    I do agree with you though with how many people would play both games. I have been playing MCOC since the beginning. Why would I ditch my roster and start from scratch on a new Marvel game just because it highlights a gear system? I wouldn’t and I doubt many upper tier and long-term players are too.

    I always doubted Kabam's business decision on this one.
    Me, too — I mean, I know you get it: They think it will be profitable, so I get it, too

    But for me personally, not only will I not ditch this roster I have built, but I just don’t physically have the time to grind another game. I would have to stop playing something else and tbh, I don’t even have the time to do much more than check in and do some inventory stuff elsewhere

    That’s just my situation, though. I can see myself checking it out but I already know that no matter what it looks like, I simply cannot add another grind and/or spend. Not enough hours in the day
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