Question re: Diss Track and Human Torch

xNig · July 2020

Gmail12345 said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Gmail12345 said:
So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?
What...? Passive effects are those that aren't active, or in other words effects that don't interact with abilities that strictly target active effects buffs/debuffs, like tenacity, buffet, nullify, etc.

To get this as wrong as you do one really needs to actively not inform themselves about the game they're playing.
So you can’t have a passive effect that interacts with a buff/ deduff?
How are you Cavalier?
Could ask the same of you
Oh. Very simple. I was one of the first 100 guys to explore 6.1 for the Cavalier title.
Just read a big post on buffs/ debuffs / passives and passive abilities and passive effects etc
So go for it explain it all away. How all of it works and explain elektas passive abilities that interact with debuffs etc

That’s a very interesting way to ask for help and advice.

Eb0ny-O-M4w · July 2020

Elektra gets an additional ability if the opponent is under a debuff.
What's hard to understand here?

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

Gmail12345 said:
So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?

Passive means it's unable to be affected by Nodes, AAR, or any other modification unless specifically stated to affect Passives. In this case, it's not affected by the Node.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

xNig said:

Unknown_Traveler said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

xNig said:

Gmail12345 said:

UmbertoDelRio said:

Gmail12345 said:
So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?
What...? Passive effects are those that aren't active, or in other words effects that don't interact with abilities that strictly target active effects buffs/debuffs, like tenacity, buffet, nullify, etc.

To get this as wrong as you do one really needs to actively not inform themselves about the game they're playing.
So you can’t have a passive effect that interacts with a buff/ deduff?
How are you Cavalier?
Could ask the same of you
Oh. Very simple. I was one of the first 100 guys to explore 6.1 for the Cavalier title.
You actually dont need to explore 6.1 to get cavalier, just need the initial completion.
Yeah. Which is a problem because there are really really new inexperienced players getting the title, then crapping on Kabam for their own lack of knowledge.

For the record, Passives and Buffs are confusing at the best of times. Lol.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

UmbertoDelRio said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Gmail12345 said:
So passive means “ can be actively doing something but at the same time passive”
And there is no such thing as a “ passive buff/Dubuff” ?
Passive means it's unable to be affected by Nodes, AAR, or any other modification unless specifically stated to affect Passives. In this case, it's not affected by the Node.
Where does that information come from, though? Passive effects can absolutely be affected by nodes, aar, or other modifications wirhout further specifics. Especially the aar part is true. Unless further specified almost everything is susceptible to aar

E.g. quake lol.

Quake is one example, but she has a unique situation there. Concussion applies and she Evades where it shouldn't. Lol.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

She also doesn't Evade with IMIW.

Agent_X_zzz · July 2020

Gmail12345 said:

Edeuink said:

Gmail12345 said:
If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up
Nova flames are passive effects, not debuffs, so they don’t count as debuffs for diss track.
So buffs are active and passive but debuffs are only active ?
And if so what are they called? As I’ve not heard a name for a collection of “ things” that are passive that you put on the opponent.

Buffs are not both active or passive at the same time that is not possible, buffs can be both active and passive as debuffs can both be active and passive. Nova flames are a form of passive DOT, while incinerates are active DOT. This is working fine, cant use prefight or you will deal 0 damage.

Eb0ny-O-M4w · July 2020

Agent_X_zzz said:

Gmail12345 said:

Edeuink said:

Gmail12345 said:
If you activate the flame on he will do 0 damage, don’t activate his flame on and your gtg.
Usual kabam f up
Nova flames are passive effects, not debuffs, so they don’t count as debuffs for diss track.
So buffs are active and passive but debuffs are only active ?
And if so what are they called? As I’ve not heard a name for a collection of “ things” that are passive that you put on the opponent.
Buffs are not both active or passive at the same time that is not possible, buffs can be both active and passive as debuffs can both be active and passive.

To clarify, buffs and debuffs can only be active. And as they are active abilities, they can't be passive abilities

Championcritic · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:
She also doesn't Evade with IMIW.

Well of course she won't evade IMIW if he used a medium attack cause IMIW first medium is a replulsor hit which will ignore evade.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

Championcritic said:

GroundedWisdom said:
She also doesn't Evade with IMIW.
Well of course she won't evade IMIW if he used a medium attack cause IMIW first medium is a replulsor hit which will ignore evade.

Yet she Evades when Concussion shouldn't apply. Hence the reference. Part of a separate discussion that was had.

Eb0ny-O-M4w · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

Championcritic said:

GroundedWisdom said:
She also doesn't Evade with IMIW.
Well of course she won't evade IMIW if he used a medium attack cause IMIW first medium is a replulsor hit which will ignore evade.
Yet she Evades when Concussion shouldn't apply. Hence the reference. Part of a separate discussion that was had.

But that's a different issue, which a change made to her in the past made the description misleading.
She is still working as intended, disregarding the fact that the passive concussion was changed to a debuff

Feuerschwer · July 2020

Ok, there are two issues here. Passive Effects vs. Passive Abilities and Buffs/Debuffs vs. Passive Effects. Passive abilities are abilities that generally don’t have a set duration or aren’t triggered by a specific action; the can sometimes create buffs, debuffs or passive effects. Buffs, debuffs, and passive effects are the three categories of ongoing effects; generally buffs are beneficial to the champion they’re on and debuffs are a penalty, but it’s occasionally played with (Dr. Voodoo, for example). Passive effects can be positive or negative. The difference is that there are general abilities that interact with and remove buffs (nullify, fate seal) and debuffs (purify); Passive effects don’t interact with those, and generally can only be removed in a specific way based on the ability that created them. Specific types of effect can be passive or not, for example Nick Fury’s internal bleed is a passive bleed, while his standard bleeds are debuffs. So there aren’t ‘active debuffs’ and ‘passive debuffs’, there are debuffs and ‘passive effects that are bad for you’.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

will-o-wisp said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Championcritic said:

GroundedWisdom said:
She also doesn't Evade with IMIW.
Well of course she won't evade IMIW if he used a medium attack cause IMIW first medium is a replulsor hit which will ignore evade.
Yet she Evades when Concussion shouldn't apply. Hence the reference. Part of a separate discussion that was had.
But that's a different issue, which a change made to her in the past made the description misleading.
She is still working as intended, disregarding the fact that the passive concussion was changed to a debuff

I think I follow. It can be confusing, to be honest. It would be nice if we had a breakdown. A lexicon of sorts.

Colinwhitworth69 · July 2020

Maybe Kabam will release new passive aggressive buffs, to really confuse things.

Reference · July 2020

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Maybe Kabam will release new passive aggressive buffs, to really confuse things.

This post is just a repeat endless debate when Kabam introduces something called passives.

Worknprogress · July 2020

It's pretty simple, white border = active effect. All buffs/debuffs are active. No border = passive effect

Reference · July 2020

I like to refer auntm.ai for those passives, active (buffs/debuffs) descriptions.
https://auntm.ai/champions/humantorch/tier/6

Eb0ny-O-M4w · July 2020

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Maybe Kabam will release new passive aggressive buffs, to really confuse things.

They are well aware of the differences between passives and actives

Colinwhitworth69 · July 2020

Siri, define "passive aggressive".

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