Her aftershock damage wasn't scaling correctly so they fixed her back then, but there wasn't a single word about this interaction between her concussion and immunity to it. So I think that's intended
This question has come up many times. The evade occurs when a concussion is active. The evade does not occur because of aar, it simply occurs because of the concussion. The concussion also reduces ability accuracy but it's a separate effect. They are not related (the evade and the aar). When a node or ability prevents aar, it doesn't prevent the concussion itself, just stops it from reducing ability. Unless a node or ability specifically stated that it prevents concussion..then she will still evade. Now, why the concussion icon isn't visible, I'm not sure. But it's there, just like the Mystic Conditioning debuff that BG talked about in his 626 streams. Or as mentioned above.. if a character is bleed immune and starts the fight with a bleed, the bleed icon doesn't appear either.
This question has come up many times. The evade occurs when a concussion is active. The evade does not occur because of aar, it simply occurs because of the concussion. The concussion also reduces ability accuracy but it's a separate effect. They are not related (the evade and the aar). When a node or ability prevents aar, it doesn't prevent the concussion itself, just stops it from reducing ability. Unless a node or ability specifically stated that it prevents concussion..then she will still evade. Now, why the concussion icon isn't visible, I'm not sure. But it's there, just like the Mystic Conditioning debuff that BG talked about in his 626 streams. Or as mentioned above.. if a character is bleed immune and starts the fight with a bleed, the bleed icon doesn't appear either.
Concussion immune Emma Frost disagrees with the assertion it’s actually concussion responsible here.
This question has come up many times. The evade occurs when a concussion is active. The evade does not occur because of aar, it simply occurs because of the concussion. The concussion also reduces ability accuracy but it's a separate effect. They are not related (the evade and the aar). When a node or ability prevents aar, it doesn't prevent the concussion itself, just stops it from reducing ability. Unless a node or ability specifically stated that it prevents concussion..then she will still evade. Now, why the concussion icon isn't visible, I'm not sure. But it's there, just like the Mystic Conditioning debuff that BG talked about in his 626 streams. Or as mentioned above.. if a character is bleed immune and starts the fight with a bleed, the bleed icon doesn't appear either.
Emma frost is immune to concussion, You cannot apply concussion to AA or mysterio. Quake should fail to evade in every debuff immune node in the game because you cannot apply concussion since that is a debuff. It's either AAR or the concussion debuff which makes her evade. Kabam have to clarify which and either update her text ot fix her.I honestly think this is a bug and should be dealt with as such similar to AA, MS, BWCV and the likes. Start disagreeing.
This question has come up many times. The evade occurs when a concussion is active. The evade does not occur because of aar, it simply occurs because of the concussion. The concussion also reduces ability accuracy but it's a separate effect. They are not related (the evade and the aar). When a node or ability prevents aar, it doesn't prevent the concussion itself, just stops it from reducing ability. Unless a node or ability specifically stated that it prevents concussion..then she will still evade. Now, why the concussion icon isn't visible, I'm not sure. But it's there, just like the Mystic Conditioning debuff that BG talked about in his 626 streams. Or as mentioned above.. if a character is bleed immune and starts the fight with a bleed, the bleed icon doesn't appear either.
Emma frost is immune to concussion, You cannot apply concussion to AA or mysterio. Quake should fail to evade in every debuff immune node in the game because you cannot apply concussion since that is a debuff. It's either AAR or the concussion debuff which makes her evade. Kabam have to clarify which and either update her text ot fix her.I honestly think this is a bug and should be dealt with as such similar to AA, MS, BWCV and the likes. Start disagreeing.
I'm 99% sure it's a text thing. back when she was released, they were much less clear in champion abilities pages and would just leave stuff out for us to figure out like magik sp2 power steal. I think they just worded it like that, but it functions based off only the heavy and not concussion.
This question has come up many times. The evade occurs when a concussion is active. The evade does not occur because of aar, it simply occurs because of the concussion. The concussion also reduces ability accuracy but it's a separate effect. They are not related (the evade and the aar). When a node or ability prevents aar, it doesn't prevent the concussion itself, just stops it from reducing ability. Unless a node or ability specifically stated that it prevents concussion..then she will still evade. Now, why the concussion icon isn't visible, I'm not sure. But it's there, just like the Mystic Conditioning debuff that BG talked about in his 626 streams. Or as mentioned above.. if a character is bleed immune and starts the fight with a bleed, the bleed icon doesn't appear either.
Emma frost is immune to concussion, You cannot apply concussion to AA or mysterio. Quake should fail to evade in every debuff immune node in the game because you cannot apply concussion since that is a debuff. It's either AAR or the concussion debuff which makes her evade. Kabam have to clarify which and either update her text ot fix her.I honestly think this is a bug and should be dealt with as such similar to AA, MS, BWCV and the likes. Start disagreeing.
I’ll 100% disagree with the assertion that either AAR or concussion are responsible for allowing her to evade. It’s neither, Quake evades basic attacks while charging a heavy but yes this does not follow with her description; that’s likely due to updates she received long after release.
When she was first introduced her concussion happened in the background and no one bypassed it nor were immune to it. Long after her release they made her heavy Charge apply a debuff rather than a passive effect.
So why did this suddenly also not take away her evasion from champs/nodes that were immune to the debuff? Likely because they would not drastically alter her core function a year after release, they couldn’t take away her heavy evade against debuff and AAR reduction champions because she was designed to evade while charging a heavy attack.
TL;dr Quake was designed to evade basic attacks while charging a heavy attack and due to updates to concussion and how she applies it Kabam never reconciled her description after making changes to concussion.
This question has come up many times. The evade occurs when a concussion is active. The evade does not occur because of aar, it simply occurs because of the concussion. The concussion also reduces ability accuracy but it's a separate effect. They are not related (the evade and the aar). When a node or ability prevents aar, it doesn't prevent the concussion itself, just stops it from reducing ability. Unless a node or ability specifically stated that it prevents concussion..then she will still evade. Now, why the concussion icon isn't visible, I'm not sure. But it's there, just like the Mystic Conditioning debuff that BG talked about in his 626 streams. Or as mentioned above.. if a character is bleed immune and starts the fight with a bleed, the bleed icon doesn't appear either.
Emma frost is immune to concussion, You cannot apply concussion to AA or mysterio. Quake should fail to evade in every debuff immune node in the game because you cannot apply concussion since that is a debuff. It's either AAR or the concussion debuff which makes her evade. Kabam have to clarify which and either update her text ot fix her.I honestly think this is a bug and should be dealt with as such similar to AA, MS, BWCV and the likes. Start disagreeing.
So, basically what I was trying to say was that being immune to aar, doesn't mean one is immune to concussion. It just means the concussion will fail to reduce the ability accuracy. It doesn't mean it will fail to proc? Yes? I think to guys are right about the text description being outdated though. I'm just seeing people use the term "immune to concussion" and "immune to aar" interchangeably. That's the part I don't agree with. Mysterio, AA and Force of Will do not mention being immune to concussion, only that it will not work on them as far as reducing their ability accuracy.
This question has come up many times. The evade occurs when a concussion is active. The evade does not occur because of aar, it simply occurs because of the concussion. The concussion also reduces ability accuracy but it's a separate effect. They are not related (the evade and the aar). When a node or ability prevents aar, it doesn't prevent the concussion itself, just stops it from reducing ability. Unless a node or ability specifically stated that it prevents concussion..then she will still evade. Now, why the concussion icon isn't visible, I'm not sure. But it's there, just like the Mystic Conditioning debuff that BG talked about in his 626 streams. Or as mentioned above.. if a character is bleed immune and starts the fight with a bleed, the bleed icon doesn't appear either.
Emma frost is immune to concussion, You cannot apply concussion to AA or mysterio. Quake should fail to evade in every debuff immune node in the game because you cannot apply concussion since that is a debuff. It's either AAR or the concussion debuff which makes her evade. Kabam have to clarify which and either update her text ot fix her.I honestly think this is a bug and should be dealt with as such similar to AA, MS, BWCV and the likes. Start disagreeing.
I’ll 100% disagree with the assertion that either AAR or concussion are responsible for allowing her to evade. It’s neither, Quake evades basic attacks while charging a heavy but yes this does not follow with her description; that’s likely due to updates she received long after release.
When she was first introduced her concussion happened in the background and no one bypassed it nor were immune to it. Long after her release they made her heavy Charge apply a debuff rather than a passive effect.
So why did this suddenly also not take away her evasion from champs/nodes that were immune to the debuff? Likely because they would not drastically alter her core function a year after release, they couldn’t take away her heavy evade against debuff and AAR reduction champions because she was designed to evade while charging a heavy attack.
TL;dr Quake was designed to evade basic attacks while charging a heavy attack and due to updates to concussion and how she applies it Kabam never reconciled her description after making changes to concussion.
Really? Then why was AA changed a year after he was released? Why was MS changed after so long? You cannot just pick and choose what you think is correct. Either the champion have to function according to the abilities listed or change the description. I think Kabam missed the mark here. Remember that they tried to change how Medusa functioned too after Aarkus was introduced.So, I don't see why they would leave Quake the same. I would really like someone from Kabam answer this. @CoatHang3r I would like to see where you get this concussion happening in the back ground stuff because I was not playing when she was introduced. I will try to search the original spotlight if that is possible.
Well she was my first 4* r5 science champion that I got from her first introduction to the arena. Used her quite a bit back then.
You’ll have to ask Kabam about AA, my guess is that was the only was they could come up with to Fix him bypassing stun immunity at the time. MS still remains unchanged unless they didn’t include it in the patch notes; Doubt you’d be able to argue that a character designed to life steal based on damage done can heal when no damage is done.
I would argue they didn’t try to change medusa but that medusa was an unforeseen change when Aarkus was introduced.
If the "bug" helps your quake to get through content, why do you care?
That's not even a valid argument. If it is a bug in her abilities, it has to be fixed. You cannot pick and choose what should exist and what should be fixed based on your convenience. Either update her ability or her description. All I want is consistency. If a bug made you get rewards multiple times, does that make it Ok for you to farm units or AG?
Well she was my first 4* r5 science champion that I got from her first introduction to the arena. Used her quite a bit back then.
You’ll have to ask Kabam about AA, my guess is that was the only was they could come up with to Fix him bypassing stun immunity at the time. MS still remains unchanged unless they didn’t include it in the patch notes; Doubt you’d be able to argue that a character designed to life steal based on damage done can heal when no damage is done.
I would argue they didn’t try to change medusa but that medusa was an unforeseen change when Aarkus was introduced.
@CoatHang3r Interesting video. I also noticed that she ends her heavy immediately if the concussion is not active. What I mean is, now you are able to evade and parry or evade and dex. In that video, I saw that when opponent charges at you, she ends the heavy attack after the evade making it impossible for you to Quake and Bake or Quake and shake if the defender is not under concussion.
This question has come up many times. The evade occurs when a concussion is active. The evade does not occur because of aar, it simply occurs because of the concussion. The concussion also reduces ability accuracy but it's a separate effect. They are not related (the evade and the aar). When a node or ability prevents aar, it doesn't prevent the concussion itself, just stops it from reducing ability. Unless a node or ability specifically stated that it prevents concussion..then she will still evade. Now, why the concussion icon isn't visible, I'm not sure. But it's there, just like the Mystic Conditioning debuff that BG talked about in his 626 streams. Or as mentioned above.. if a character is bleed immune and starts the fight with a bleed, the bleed icon doesn't appear either.
You can see in the pics that immune procs up so he is immune to concussion. That's why concussion is not showing up.
I honestly don't understand why these guys are getting upset. If Kabam has no plans to change her, there is no need to worry at all. If by some miracle they fix her description, no one has anything to lose. I am surprised that no one from the mods have commented on this. I am not going to file it under bugs section anyway, just curious about the discrepancy.
I was not replying to you. I quoted the petty remark made by a troll.
Troll? Really? Guess that's the extent of your maturity.Attacking me personally does not affect me and only looks bad on you. I don't care either way if they change her or not . Sharing a screenshot actually proves nothing. Share a forum post where you took the screenshot from or I will wait for @Kabam Miike to answer this, since it is his name on the screen shot
What do you mean screenshot proves nothing? It explicitly proves that Kabam has no plans to change quake and that she's working as intended. The only "benefit" form this conversation is them changing the text. They'll probably do it in a couple of years like they did Kamala.
Screen shots can be faked. That is why I asked for a link to a forum thread. They probably will change the text. The benefit is it will stop threads like this and clear the air so to speak. Guess that is too much to ask.
I was not replying to you. I quoted the petty remark made by a troll.
Troll? Really? Guess that's the extent of your maturity.Attacking me personally does not affect me and only looks bad on you. I don't care either way if they change her or not . Sharing a screenshot actually proves nothing. Share a forum post where you took the screenshot from or I will wait for @Kabam Miike to answer this, since it is his name on the screen shot
What do you mean screenshot proves nothing? It explicitly proves that Kabam has no plans to change quake and that she's working as intended. The only "benefit" form this conversation is them changing the text. They'll probably do it in a couple of years like they did Kamala.
Screen shots can be faked. That is why I asked for a link to a forum thread. They probably will change the text. The benefit is it will stop threads like this and clear the air so to speak. Guess that is too much to ask.
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When she was first introduced her concussion happened in the background and no one bypassed it nor were immune to it. Long after her release they made her heavy Charge apply a debuff rather than a passive effect.
So why did this suddenly also not take away her evasion from champs/nodes that were immune to the debuff? Likely because they would not drastically alter her core function a year after release, they couldn’t take away her heavy evade against debuff and AAR reduction champions because she was designed to evade while charging a heavy attack.
TL;dr Quake was designed to evade basic attacks while charging a heavy attack and due to updates to concussion and how she applies it Kabam never reconciled her description after making changes to concussion.
@CoatHang3r I would like to see where you get this concussion happening in the back ground stuff because I was not playing when she was introduced. I will try to search the original spotlight if that is possible.
You’ll have to ask Kabam about AA, my guess is that was the only was they could come up with to Fix him bypassing stun immunity at the time. MS still remains unchanged unless they didn’t include it in the patch notes; Doubt you’d be able to argue that a character designed to life steal based on damage done can heal when no damage is done.
I would argue they didn’t try to change medusa but that medusa was an unforeseen change when Aarkus was introduced.
P.S. notice her heavy isn’t associated with an icon or callout
According to her abilities description she should not be able to do these fights,but she does.
That's why concussion is not showing up.
They can also change her description.
If you can catch the reference here
This has nothing to do with my post