The ai throw specials way more than they used to. These death matches arent that big of a deal if youre a semi decent player.
With 105k Wins, I'm going to have to disagree. When you're on an all-out Grind for 3 days, lasting hours and sometimes playing straight through to your Recharge, the last thing you want is the added challenge of PI twice the amount you're using on top of AI that throws Specials faster.
Holy ****. Kabam really messed up now. They have me agreeing with you.
Like others, I’ve been considering leaving the game for a while... this may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. My mental health just can’t cope with much more disappointment. This was my most enjoyable aspect of the game. It’s now starting to feel like a chore and no longer fun.
I’m sure Kabam won’t mind. I’ve spent a few hundred £s but I’m probably not valued as a customer.
Yes, the AI at the moment in the arena is more aggressive, but what is the use of launching super attacks if from round 15 onwards with any team, and in any arena, death teams will come out, arena is supposed to be a space where they should be easy and fast fights, not where it is necessary to fight "concentrated"
@Kabam Miike has the penny dropped yet that there’s a problem here, or are we all wrong?
Nobody said you're wrong, but there's still a lot to learn here. This is very new to everybody, and some people are automatically thinking that they can't even use 4-Stars anymore. We're keeping an eye on it, but are not going to make any changes right away without people having time to actually try this out.
This is the reaction we receive every time there is a change to the Infinite Streak, which changes a lot, so we have to watch this closely.
Like others, I’ve been considering leaving the game for a while... this may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. My mental health just can’t cope with much more disappointment. This was my most enjoyable aspect of the game. It’s now starting to feel like a chore and no longer fun.
I’m sure Kabam won’t mind. I’ve spent a few hundred £s but I’m probably not valued as a customer.
I’m with you, Ironside47. The game has been less and less fun for a good while now. The only thing keeping me in the game has been the arena because it is a good way to pass the time without getting all stressed out. If this change is not reversed, I am gone because the arena certainly is not fun or relaxing today.
Arenas were never really "fun" for me, but they were a necessary evil. These new changes are horrible. The time it takes and the AI is off. Please revert them back the way they were until this can be fine tuned/adjusted. They went from tolerable to miserable.
@Kabam Miike has the penny dropped yet that there’s a problem here, or are we all wrong?
Nobody said you're wrong, but there's still a lot to learn here. This is very new to everybody, and some people are automatically thinking that they can't even use 4-Stars anymore. We're keeping an eye on it, but are not going to make any changes right away without people having time to actually try this out.
This is the reaction we receive every time there is a change to the Infinite Streak, which changes a lot, so we have to watch this closely.
Well guess what if things don't get fixed I'll drop the game. And I know I'm not the only one. I grind the arena to farm shards and units cause I don't have that much money to spend on the game. Thanks to this oh so great change I'll be unable to grind arenas and without the help of the arena grind for me there is no sustainability in the game. Can't do a war season or progress further in the game without grinding the arenas. Thanks kabam.
P.s. to think that this month I actually purchased the summoner sygil for the first time after over a year of playing. A much regretted decision. And I'm sure I'll never spend again on this game. Ever.
You’ve ruined it @Kabam Miike I wish you wouldn’t be so defensive and listen for once. One of the biggest problems with Kabam is the way you personally react to feedback from the community - I really hope you will reflect on that and try to listen more.
Kabam was supposed to make arenas better and you made them much, much worse. It’s not a matter of opinion or something you need to monitor. Every round is over 40k for me. I’ve just lost my streak in the 30s. It’s a joke. You’ve ruined my favourite part of the game.
Well, Mike... while you and your colleagues are keeping an eye on it, I am already playing other games. Arena has always been a mindless grind. I really don't want to feel like I have to have my "Act 6 focus" on while doing something that was a mindless grind... for 3k more shards.
@Kabam Miike has the penny dropped yet that there’s a problem here, or are we all wrong?
Nobody said you're wrong, but there's still a lot to learn here. This is very new to everybody, and some people are automatically thinking that they can't even use 4-Stars anymore. We're keeping an eye on it, but are not going to make any changes right away without people having time to actually try this out.
This is the reaction we receive every time there is a change to the Infinite Streak, which changes a lot, so we have to watch this closely.
And how long will we have to wait? While doing your "tests" most lose more time in fights, you must change your arena times and constantly face death teams while you "analyze" if this test is effective or not.
The "Infinite Streak" is not a feature of the game, but rather the result of the requirements/calculations for finding matches. It is always changing and will continue to do so as more and more players have access to higher ranked Champions.
This change is not made only for those that are "in the know" about the Infinite Streak. We promised to lower the number of deathmatches, and we've done just that. This is a major improvement for all players, especially those that are new to the Arena.
If this is so then yall just killed all arena for 80% of players because nobody play a game to be stressed out for every fight and they will begin to go to other games and spend there !
Arenas were never really "fun" for me, but they were a necessary evil. These new changes are horrible. The time it takes and the AI is off. Please revert them back the way they were until this can be fine tuned/adjusted. They went from tolerable to miserable.
I prefer a thousand times that they don't launch super attacks on only death teams
@Kabam Miike has the penny dropped yet that there’s a problem here, or are we all wrong?
Nobody said you're wrong, but there's still a lot to learn here. This is very new to everybody, and some people are automatically thinking that they can't even use 4-Stars anymore. We're keeping an eye on it, but are not going to make any changes right away without people having time to actually try this out.
This is the reaction we receive every time there is a change to the Infinite Streak, which changes a lot, so we have to watch this closely.
Honestly it would be better if you guys take these changes... and throw them away. From the initial post it was stated that “Summoners are less likely to encounter Enemy teams with more than 2x their rating. That means you’ll run into fewer death squads”. But every single arena team that is composed of 3/45 is matched with a death squad. Literally if you guys go in and do more than 20 matches you guys will be easily able to see that there is an obvious issue with the matchmaking system.
I’ve run 18 mill twice a week for over a yr, equaling tons of time in game. This arena change is NOT better. After round 20, I’m getting the same arena matches/same summoner teams over and over, all 50+ and 60+k to my teams in 20k. Forcing me out as a grinder will be 1 step from being out of the game, period. Please address these issues. At least return arena to previous form while figuring out these issues. Thank you.
Miike, you gotta understand, there is no more Infinite Streak.
Unless you all decided to only do infinite streak ABOVE 5* 4/55 level. Which is just a kick in the pants to all grinders.
30 R4s and 74 R3 5*s have just been slashed from my roster (unless I want to use maximum effort). Who wants to do the math on the resources that took? not me. 120 T2A, 670 T1A, etc, etc that you guys basically flushed down the toilet.
You just made Arena basically for Spenders only and turned your back on the Grinders. Spenders mostly don't even like arena. So is the point of this to make everyone hate arena to spend more?
You’ve ruined it @Kabam Miike I wish you wouldn’t be so defensive and listen for once. One of the biggest problems with Kabam is the way you personally react to feedback from the community - I really hope you will reflect on that and try to listen more.
Kabam was supposed to make arenas better and you made them much, much worse. It’s not a matter of opinion or something you need to monitor. Every round is over 40k for me. I’ve just lost my streak in the 30s. It’s a joke. You’ve ruined my favourite part of the game.
@Kabam Miike I know, we complain about everything, and often we overreact, but this is different. Look at this guy’s screenshot. This is just broken, it should be impossible.
Over a streak of 20, a team of 5* 3/45 champs or higher has previously gotten you a match of the equivalent PI. Always, every single time, no exceptions. The only way to trigger a death match was to use 5* 2/35s or lower.
Once again, look at his screenshot. That’s not an anomaly, that’s now the norm. Arena can’t work this way, it’s broken.
Yes, I understand how a change in the weight of ranked champions across the player base can change the death match threshold, but that hasn’t happened here. This is not an organic change. The only thing that’s changed overnight has been changed artificially by Kabam.
I don’t think you quite realise how big a problem, this is, but you will. All we asked for was to install a more aggressive AI instead of the passive AI that wouldn’t throw specials. Nobody asked for harder or longer arena fights, all you had to do was change the AI. This whole thing is so unnecessary.
I’ve run 18 mill twice a week for over a yr, equaling tons of time in game. This arena change is NOT better. After round 20, I’m getting the same arena matches/same summoner teams over and over, all 50+ and 60+k to my teams in 20k. Forcing me out as a grinder will be 1 step from being out of the game, period. Please address these issues. At least return arena to previous form while figuring out these issues. Thank you.
I do the same myself each week and now get matched with a team of 6*s 3 times my team rating as 6*s and 5*s and having to start over it was a place to grind some extra units and shards I do spend a little each month but don’t massively so the grind helps for boosts and other items, yet now it’s to much time and effort as it’s more difficult then before I would rather they revert the changes and the rewards back to what they was as at least the grind was more enjoyable and less stressful and time consuming then it is now.
Just to give some context to what these changes are, and why there has been an impact on the Infinite Streak:
Previously, when. you got higher in your streak, the Arena was trying to match you with a team that was at 4x your team's PI. Once you cross a certain threshold, there aren't any teams that high, so the system defaults to a fake team/something very low. To be very clear, this was an unintentional bug, and we've told players that in the past. We left it in-game for a long time because it's something that players are very used to.
What we changed is that the max PI of the opposite team should only be 2x. It definitely killed the formula players have known, and we understand that. We're looking at what else we can do to alleviate this situation.
It may not mean a total revert, but we're still open to that after we see more data and information from more players. There are other solutions, and we're going to look into it. Please keep your responses and opinions constructive in this thread.
Even the catalyst arena is changed... I used to grind the arena religiously to get units and gold so I can upgrade my champs. Now, it really sucks and it won't happen anymore. Why should I be stress over something that so repetitively even as simple that trying to get t1 alpha? I rather have the death matches over this "stupid" change. I guess I will have quit since there is no good way to upgrade or get a new champ to progress my game.
Just to give some context to what these changes are, and why there has been an impact on the Infinite Streak:
Previously, when. you got higher in your streak, the Arena was trying to match you with a team that was at 4x your team's PI. Once you cross a certain threshold, there aren't any teams that high, so the system defaults to a fake team/something very low.
What we changed is that the max PI of the opposite team should only be 2x. It definitely killed the formula players have known, and we understand that. We're looking at what else we can do to alleviate this situation.
It may not mean a total revert, but we're still open to that after we see more data and information from more players. There are other solutions, and we're going to look into it. Please keep your responses and opinions constructive in this thread.
Who honestly thinks this is a great idea? This is the complete opposite of what the players want and the opposite of what was stated in the announcements. The announcement literally said it would be less likely to get put up against fights that are 2x your rating.
Yeah currently fairly deep into my r3 5 stars and I’m facing minimum 2x r5 and one r4 5*z this is doubling the number of bars of power it normally takes to complete an arena match. Can’t imagine what it’s like without the suicide masteries.
A boring slog with 20+ rounds matched against the same handful of Thronebreakers at at least double my team pi. I decided to boost because it was taking so long and I kept getting to pick from the same few champs that are all long fights unless you get a favorable matchup.
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I’m sure Kabam won’t mind. I’ve spent a few hundred £s but I’m probably not valued as a customer.
This is the reaction we receive every time there is a change to the Infinite Streak, which changes a lot, so we have to watch this closely.
Last month, we complained over and over about Cav Difficulty and rewards, did they get fix or get corrected this month? NO
This month we complaining over and over about arena changes. Would kabam do anything about it ? Or just ignore the issue once again.LOL
We shall see.
P.s. to think that this month I actually purchased the summoner sygil for the first time after over a year of playing. A much regretted decision. And I'm sure I'll never spend again on this game. Ever.
I wish you wouldn’t be so defensive and listen for once. One of the biggest problems with Kabam is the way you personally react to feedback from the community - I really hope you will reflect on that and try to listen more.
Kabam was supposed to make arenas better and you made them much, much worse. It’s not a matter of opinion or something you need to monitor. Every round is over 40k for me.
I’ve just lost my streak in the 30s. It’s a joke. You’ve ruined my favourite part of the game.
Unless you all decided to only do infinite streak ABOVE 5* 4/55 level. Which is just a kick in the pants to all grinders.
30 R4s and 74 R3 5*s have just been slashed from my roster (unless I want to use maximum effort). Who wants to do the math on the resources that took? not me. 120 T2A, 670 T1A, etc, etc that you guys basically flushed down the toilet.
You just made Arena basically for Spenders only and turned your back on the Grinders. Spenders mostly don't even like arena. So is the point of this to make everyone hate arena to spend more?
This literally makes 0 sense.
Over a streak of 20, a team of 5* 3/45 champs or higher has previously gotten you a match of the equivalent PI. Always, every single time, no exceptions. The only way to trigger a death match was to use 5* 2/35s or lower.
Once again, look at his screenshot. That’s not an anomaly, that’s now the norm. Arena can’t work this way, it’s broken.
Yes, I understand how a change in the weight of ranked champions across the player base can change the death match threshold, but that hasn’t happened here. This is not an organic change. The only thing that’s changed overnight has been changed artificially by Kabam.
I don’t think you quite realise how big a problem, this is, but you will. All we asked for was to install a more aggressive AI instead of the passive AI that wouldn’t throw specials. Nobody asked for harder or longer arena fights, all you had to do was change the AI. This whole thing is so unnecessary.
Previously, when. you got higher in your streak, the Arena was trying to match you with a team that was at 4x your team's PI. Once you cross a certain threshold, there aren't any teams that high, so the system defaults to a fake team/something very low. To be very clear, this was an unintentional bug, and we've told players that in the past. We left it in-game for a long time because it's something that players are very used to.
What we changed is that the max PI of the opposite team should only be 2x. It definitely killed the formula players have known, and we understand that. We're looking at what else we can do to alleviate this situation.
It may not mean a total revert, but we're still open to that after we see more data and information from more players. There are other solutions, and we're going to look into it. Please keep your responses and opinions constructive in this thread.