The ultimate rivalry: Longshot vs Morningstar!

QacobQacob Posts: 2,015 ★★★★★
edited November 2020 in General Discussion


So I was recently thinking about how similar these two champions are: both are mystics, both have burst damage on their sp1s and an insane amount on their sp2 when fighting buff heavy opponents and both can buff copy when awakened.

But also, both have different advantages over each other: Longshot doesn't need to ramp up, can do big burst damage on his sp2 without needed buffs on the opponent and does much more sp2 damage. However, Morningstar has immunities, her burst damage is energy damage and not bleed/incinerate so opponent cannot be immune. She also has life steal and unstoppable when ramped up.

So...all in all, who is the better champion? And who would you rather own?

The ultimate rivalry: Longshot vs Morningstar! 136 votes

Longshot
64%
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Morningstar
35%
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  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 17,866 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    She’s great. The ramp up isn’t that bad (it’s even better once she’s awakened) and her utility is great. Far better than Longshot.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 17,866 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Qacob said:

    I think Morningstar fully ramped up is undeniably better than Longshot. But after the 5 fights it takes to fully ramp up you will likely already be more or close to halfway through the quest.

    I'm not sure though, it's a close one.

    4 fights if she’s awakened, and 3 with Guillotine.
  • RockypantherxRockypantherx Posts: 3,625 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 17,866 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Qacob said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Longshot has passive AAR reduction immunity and 300% base ability accuracy. That's a very niche but very powerful ability.
    Life steal, unstoppable, unblockable sp2, big numbers on the sp1, energy resist, good perfect block chance, (it’s like 50%) some pretty potent Fury, Regen, and Power Gain buffs depending on what the opponent procs.
  • RockypantherxRockypantherx Posts: 3,625 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Djin said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Who needs utility if you can finish the fight in few seconds.
    Every champion. That’s an awful argument. I’ve been using Longshot for act 6 progression on my alt, and he is not doing well. He maybe gets used for one fight on a path.

    I don’t care how quickly someone can finish the fight if they can’t actually do the fight
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,015 ★★★★★
    Morningstar

    Qacob said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Longshot has passive AAR reduction immunity and 300% base ability accuracy. That's a very niche but very powerful ability.
    Life steal, unstoppable, unblockable sp2, big numbers on the sp1, energy resist, good perfect block chance, (it’s like 50%) some pretty potent Fury, Regen, and Power Gain buffs depending on what the opponent procs.
    I'm not saying he's better, I haven't yet made up my mind. I was just stating that he does have some utility and not only a weak nullify like rocky said.
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,015 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    I mean, I know I would choose Longshot over MS any day to own because I feel passionate hatred towards her animations, but I reckon she is probably a bit better.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 17,866 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Qacob said:

    Qacob said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Longshot has passive AAR reduction immunity and 300% base ability accuracy. That's a very niche but very powerful ability.
    Life steal, unstoppable, unblockable sp2, big numbers on the sp1, energy resist, good perfect block chance, (it’s like 50%) some pretty potent Fury, Regen, and Power Gain buffs depending on what the opponent procs.
    I'm not saying he's better, I haven't yet made up my mind. I was just stating that he does have some utility and not only a weak nullify like rocky said.
    It’s a little utility. A dash. A tiny little pinch. Not enough.
  • Unio77Unio77 Posts: 2,087 ★★★★★
    Longshot

    Qacob said:

    Qacob said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Longshot has passive AAR reduction immunity and 300% base ability accuracy. That's a very niche but very powerful ability.
    Life steal, unstoppable, unblockable sp2, big numbers on the sp1, energy resist, good perfect block chance, (it’s like 50%) some pretty potent Fury, Regen, and Power Gain buffs depending on what the opponent procs.
    I'm not saying he's better, I haven't yet made up my mind. I was just stating that he does have some utility and not only a weak nullify like rocky said.
    It’s a little utility. A dash. A tiny little pinch. Not enough.
    When somebody asks you what is understatement, show them this comment here ☝️
  • QacobQacob Posts: 2,015 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Unio77 said:

    Qacob said:

    Qacob said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Longshot has passive AAR reduction immunity and 300% base ability accuracy. That's a very niche but very powerful ability.
    Life steal, unstoppable, unblockable sp2, big numbers on the sp1, energy resist, good perfect block chance, (it’s like 50%) some pretty potent Fury, Regen, and Power Gain buffs depending on what the opponent procs.
    I'm not saying he's better, I haven't yet made up my mind. I was just stating that he does have some utility and not only a weak nullify like rocky said.
    It’s a little utility. A dash. A tiny little pinch. Not enough.
    When somebody asks you what is understatement, show them this comment here ☝️
    Yeah, to be fair spidey, it is quite a bit more than a pinch. He still doesnt compete with her on the utility front though.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 17,866 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Unio77 said:

    Qacob said:

    Qacob said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Longshot has passive AAR reduction immunity and 300% base ability accuracy. That's a very niche but very powerful ability.
    Life steal, unstoppable, unblockable sp2, big numbers on the sp1, energy resist, good perfect block chance, (it’s like 50%) some pretty potent Fury, Regen, and Power Gain buffs depending on what the opponent procs.
    I'm not saying he's better, I haven't yet made up my mind. I was just stating that he does have some utility and not only a weak nullify like rocky said.
    It’s a little utility. A dash. A tiny little pinch. Not enough.
    When somebody asks you what is understatement, show them this comment here ☝️
    It’s some utility. It isn’t enough to compete with Morningstar. You’re mad if you think it is.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 17,866 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Djin said:

    Morningstar's rampup is brutal.
    Longshot has immunity to Passive AAR. Means only AAR debuffs effect him.
    Longshot doesn't need opponent to have buffs for damage. Bad Karma do the work of buffs.
    Morningstar has more utility but she needs to be awakened.

    I like LS more than MS.

    So does Ægon. And loads of other “god tier” champions.

    And the opponent doesn’t need buffs for Morningstar’s damage either. Just throw off the sp1.
  • Unio77Unio77 Posts: 2,087 ★★★★★
    Longshot

    Unio77 said:

    Qacob said:

    Qacob said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Longshot has passive AAR reduction immunity and 300% base ability accuracy. That's a very niche but very powerful ability.
    Life steal, unstoppable, unblockable sp2, big numbers on the sp1, energy resist, good perfect block chance, (it’s like 50%) some pretty potent Fury, Regen, and Power Gain buffs depending on what the opponent procs.
    I'm not saying he's better, I haven't yet made up my mind. I was just stating that he does have some utility and not only a weak nullify like rocky said.
    It’s a little utility. A dash. A tiny little pinch. Not enough.
    When somebody asks you what is understatement, show them this comment here ☝️
    It’s some utility. It isn’t enough to compete with Morningstar. You’re mad if you think it is.
    Never said it was. Plus I never said x is better than x.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 17,866 ★★★★★
    Morningstar
    Unio77 said:

    Unio77 said:

    Qacob said:

    Qacob said:

    Morningstar has actual utility besides a weak conditional nullify. I’m not a fan of either but Morningstar is the clear winner here

    Longshot has passive AAR reduction immunity and 300% base ability accuracy. That's a very niche but very powerful ability.
    Life steal, unstoppable, unblockable sp2, big numbers on the sp1, energy resist, good perfect block chance, (it’s like 50%) some pretty potent Fury, Regen, and Power Gain buffs depending on what the opponent procs.
    I'm not saying he's better, I haven't yet made up my mind. I was just stating that he does have some utility and not only a weak nullify like rocky said.
    It’s a little utility. A dash. A tiny little pinch. Not enough.
    When somebody asks you what is understatement, show them this comment here ☝️
    It’s some utility. It isn’t enough to compete with Morningstar. You’re mad if you think it is.
    Never said it was. Plus I never said x is better than x.
    wdym you voted for Longshot
  • Unio77Unio77 Posts: 2,087 ★★★★★
    Longshot
    Just gonna put it out there that Longshot is a great option for 6.2.5 Mordo if your whole team is K.O.
    The node that reduces AAR won't take effect but you'll have to change playstyle to work against Mordo and do not go gentle
  • MoosetiptronicMoosetiptronic Posts: 1,045 ★★★
    Morningstar
    I have both and MS at 5/65 sig 130 something.

    Except in buff heavy, not incinerate immune matches or against blade, she's just better.

    However, it's not her ramp up, but her jerky animations and short dash back, that makes her awkward. If she had Medusa's fluidity of animation, I'm relatively confident she'd be widely considered top 3, if not vying with Claire for top 2, mystics.
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