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Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
The hardest champs to master are all women .../raiseeyebrow
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I thought the dumb "Hear me out" threads were bad. But at least they were intentionally controversial and amusing.
This thread exactly encapsulates why people dislike SJWs. Well done.
The only thing I’d add is I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that Kabam needs to design some male characters that are really difficult to play to even things out gender wise because this is reading to far into it.
Realistically if someone was to make an article about this fact the points they’d make would be pretty easily shut down and nothing would come of it. I would look at that as if someone was trying to find some small detail to get upset about just for the sake of getting upset or having something to criticize.
Lol I'm having a blast with the memes and the math!
In the meantime I'll say this:
The fact that YOU or the people around YOU does not see the underpinnings of the cultural effects that such things as a MOBILE GAME have on society does not mean that OTHERS clearly see them.
I'll put it this way. Remember what I said about games being a form of digital media? Well stay with me here. Let's say we both read a novel. Novels are a form of media too. You read it and may interpret X hidden (or not) message from it. Your interpretation is fine, good, valid because it is your own. No problem there.
The thing is that a literary critic, one that has been schooled in undergrad and graduate school in how to deconstruct to the bone a novel ... and infer from it a vast array of things that go from the historical conjuctures of when it was written, to the psychology of the author to the cultural manifestations present in it ........ will have a vastly different interpretation of said novel. This interpretation is not necessarily better or worse than your own, just different because it has its eyes trained into a different set of aspects from it.
Now imagine a literary critic like this but of video games. THAT IS THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH. Why studying video games is important? For the same reason you are readig this post: PEOPLE SPEND LOTSA TIME PLAYING THEM. And millions of dollars too. Anything that catches the attention of people is worth studying in terms of why/how it catches the attention and what cultural underpinnings/effects does this media have. It was one colleague that mentioned to me , and I quote:
"Kabam is just asking to be picked upon by the woke crowd"
And when I heard it, it made me think. As I said on the OP and on several posts after it, I do not agree if someone says that Kabam is being sexist by portraying Quake, Ghost, IW and Tigra as "complicated to handle" , but I immediately started to think in how to deconstrue such argument if I ever encountered someone who said so. From this conversation @Scarcity27 gave me the ammunition to base this argument, thanks again!
Nothing else to see here on that argument.
Of course do keep the memes and the memes ( "stupidIst" or not, lol 😂) coming, I'm having a blast. But don't think for a second that someone that is trained to study something that YOU play/are engaged with for hours a day or per week will not have something different to say about that very thing than YOU play. If it is something that you are spending hours of your life and real money in, then it makes sense for someone to seek to have a critical perspective on it.
Which brings me back to a post I read in this very forum I read years ago ( too lazy to look for it) which was titled something like " This game is whitewashed " or something like that. In that post the OP was lamenting that minorities were not equally represented in the game ( this was like 4 years ago) . When I read it I remember rolling my eyes cuz I said " this is a beef with the source material, which is from Marvel, not Kabam.... Kabam just merely mostly puts in the game stuff previously made by Marvel, so Kabam cannot be made responsible if Marvel has not been woke for the past 50 years or so." I remember I didn't actually post in that thread because I figured the OP was a minority and well, he/she was definitely entitled to ask for representation if he/she spends a dime on this game, so I accepted that his point of view was valid given his/her own framework of reference.
Which brings me back to my OP. The OP was about the gender underpinnings of gameplay mechanics, something Kabam, not Marvel, is responsible for. That is why I brought it to Kabam forums, otherwise I would have gone to Marvel. Regardless, the issue from the OP has been solved by @Scarcity27 , so....
TL;DR:
The OP's issue was resolved by @Scarcity27 . Move along .... but do keep the memes and the math coming!
And if you have yet another's angle to look at this issue then fire away!
It's also something that only exists in America for whatever reason.
You know who like Video Games? Gamers.
You know what Gamers care about? If the game is good.
You know who doesn't like perceived social issues in games? SJWs that don't play most games.
Your experience in studying video games, or being around people who do, is almost as unimportant as theorising if cheese is as addictive as a drug. No one really cares and makes the masses wonder why money is spent on researching it.
Subjectivity in the name of "research" does not make it a fact or worth the time to even call it "research".
Stupidest thing I've seen all week. Gender shouldn't matter in games, it's awesome that we have both powerful female and male champions, so enjoy it. We have some very cool female champions in game, like Tigra and Ghost.
More directly to the point though, “Gamers” aren’t a monolith. Everybody’s going to have a different take on this point and that’s fine and cool and whatever. But don’t try to universalize your opinion as if it is held by all people who play, because it just isn’t.
Saying that only gamers like games thus no one else should care about games is like saying that regular people like money, so economists should not bother studying how people use/spend/exchange money. It's the concern of the regular people only so some guy in some University shouldn't be thinking about it.
LoL!
And what you mention about subjectivity. Lol!! In which part did I say that I am conducting research through this thread??? Lol! I don't even research these topics in this games, I research stuff completely unrelated, I just happen to know a lot of people who look into the social representations of games. But yeah, nope ,conducting game research is far from posting a thread on a forum lol! 😅😂🤣. Dunno to laugh or cry though about your "idea" of what according to you is game research.
Anyway, lets go back to the memes and the math that's waaay more entertaining.
But you also want Kabam to come up with 'difficult to master' champions? That's the exact opposite of the direction they're taking in the Champions of the Contest roadmap.
Why would you want the opposite for the player base?
Fundamentals, bro.
Yes, there will always be a small vocalised group who do that, and will yell about it in their echo chambers. But the majority really do not care about it.
Enjoying a game or any other media because of the characters is great and that's healthy. Disliking those same things because it feels like it unfair or misrepresentation in some fashion is purely a subjective opinion.
My point is the one that you agreed with, that it is good for a game to have characters that a player can relate to because it enhances the player’s experience. For me finding a character that I can see myself in is the same as you playing with your favorite comic character (because for me, the character with a shared background also happens to be one of my favorites). There’s just something more to it. Playing with other characters isn’t lessened by that lack of connection, it’s just different.
But I’m not trying to say that everybody else does or should hold my same opinion. I know y’all don’t and I’m cool with that. That’s the part of your post I took issue with, lumping all “Gamers” into one group who all happened to hold your beliefs.
However, the number of female characters that are "hard-to-play" (ignoring the fact that such an element is purely subjective) isn't significant enough to come to the conclusion that such a bias exists. Again, if all or most female characters were built in this fashion, regardless of damage output, I would agree that there might be a problem.
Silver Surfer and Red Guardian are nowhere near the skill level needed for Quake, Ghost, IW and Tigra tho. Quake I just gave up, concluded my fingers are just dumb . Ghost I got about a month ago and finally now I can say got the muscle memory/ hang of it . Silver Surfer and RG I dont have them ranked up high but seems to me they are more about paying attention to timers on your abilities/buffs... not so much about muscle memory , correct? Are Prof X and Air Walker about muscle memory too?
1) They have all the counters needed to complete all content so they don’t find it necessary to learn
2) They find the champions boring to play
3) They don’t realize that all it takes to get better at them is practice, not skill
On the flip side, if the men are "easy", why is that a good thing? Can't I argue that it would paint males out to be stupid brutes?
It's this savior complex that has people leap to conclusions to try to "help" someone when there is nothing to "save" them from. In this case, it's the assumption that an undertone exists that implies that women are inferior when it doesn't exist (or isn't significant enough to say that it is of importance).
I would disagree with the 3rd statement. The ability to practice is a skill. If skill was not needed to play Quake and Ghost, the same could be said with any area of the game, or even life in general. By practicing, you build skill, and the ability to practice is a skill.
Ghost, otoh, felt much "funner" to play from the get go. So I'm happy that at least I can use and enjoy using the #2 champ in the game... and I have her as a 6* duped (lucky streak y 2nd and 3rd featured!)
For the record, I actually have noticed that trend. Female champs tend to be exceptional (or at least some). The champs with highest learning curves are mostly female. The highest damage dealers (hela, proxima and G2099 presumably) are female. That’s a good thing from a game play prospective. If every champ was parry-5 hits-sp2, the game would get boring so variety is needed. This can be a good thing to get people excited for female champs being released.
I don’t think OP has bad intentions but he got a negative response. I think the reason is that people are tired of hearing this kind of thing. Everyone is trying to find a problem (even if there is none) and then fight it. Yes, we can all interpret things differently but if an interpretation seems like it’s reaching, people won’t like it.