**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Options
Lessons learned
Colonaut123
Posts: 3,091 ★★★★★
I believe the Hood controversy wasn't in vain. Both sides learned valuable lessons.
We've learnt although not every champion is god tier, there are middle-tier champions who do have merit and dedicated players who have mastered those forgotten champions.
As a community, we were able to rally for a cause that might not directly impacted everyone equally, but in doing so, we've found unity.
But, we might not be as lucky next time. With tier lists left and right, we as a community neglected champions who aren't maybe good enough in our eyes, but are not necessarily bad. Flawed at best, these are true diamonds in the rough.
It created a climate that lead Kabam to believe those champions have no value at all. That a great reset was needed. We focused on the negative, rather than the positive.
It isn't enough to point at the flaws, but also where that champion shines. Don't we all have that one (or more?) champion everyone disregards, but that only you see the gold underneath that just needs some polishing? That you like for its unique animations or abilities, but find it a shame it is as it is now?
Kabam can't read minds. They don't know what we as a community like. We've been given a second chance.
The Suggestions forum has been pretty dead. Why not have a dedicated discussion for each champion, where a champion is dissected to its core? Where fans can gather and exchange their vision of the future of this champion? Where Kabam developers can be inspired and design a community-supported buff? One that keeps what's good?
It started with one Hood. It doesn't have to end with the Hood.
We've learnt although not every champion is god tier, there are middle-tier champions who do have merit and dedicated players who have mastered those forgotten champions.
As a community, we were able to rally for a cause that might not directly impacted everyone equally, but in doing so, we've found unity.
But, we might not be as lucky next time. With tier lists left and right, we as a community neglected champions who aren't maybe good enough in our eyes, but are not necessarily bad. Flawed at best, these are true diamonds in the rough.
It created a climate that lead Kabam to believe those champions have no value at all. That a great reset was needed. We focused on the negative, rather than the positive.
It isn't enough to point at the flaws, but also where that champion shines. Don't we all have that one (or more?) champion everyone disregards, but that only you see the gold underneath that just needs some polishing? That you like for its unique animations or abilities, but find it a shame it is as it is now?
Kabam can't read minds. They don't know what we as a community like. We've been given a second chance.
The Suggestions forum has been pretty dead. Why not have a dedicated discussion for each champion, where a champion is dissected to its core? Where fans can gather and exchange their vision of the future of this champion? Where Kabam developers can be inspired and design a community-supported buff? One that keeps what's good?
It started with one Hood. It doesn't have to end with the Hood.
Post edited by Kabam Ahab on
45
Comments
Edit:
I felt a bit sad when I saw the Hood pop-up message, like the effort and work Kabam put into him gone, but that's normal, it's called running a company.
I don't know if the community ever expressed this: though not a Hood user, I appreciate the thought and work Kabam put into it. In their own way, they were trying to do something cool with the character for users, just not what we wanted. Still, a thing or two learnt on both sides.
Youtubers and whales change the meta by pushing certain champs and we follow suit.
Champs then get forgotten while people are still using them.
Hood was the perfect example here.
People don't even try to explore or learn before they reject a champ.
Instead remove tier list completely.
And give out honest review and usage for champs.
Even iniside youtubers it's not like they can play every champ.
Many are not quake players. But quake is such an useful and creative champ.
Vivid example.
Instead of putting out tier list may be youtuber can provide with champion play style.
U can follow UKM and jason V .. they usually make very detailed good tutorial for how to use.
That way champs like hood used by many but not usual utubers doesn't gets sidelined and this mess happens.
Although i still believe this buff was amazing.
They should have just kept it and added the fate seal.
Numbers don't say everything, certain champions are used for one specific situation (Ronan for instant). In the numbers he will perform badly, but where he's used, there is no better. The trick is to buff him that he is expanded outside those situations, but keeping his current use the same.
Wouldn’t say no to increasing the detonation damage either though.
King Groot: tankiness, stackable permanent armor breaks
Dormammu: power control, degen
Vision: power control, power burn, heal block
Elektra: DAA, assasins
Karnak: True Strike
Taskmaster: AAR, debuff potency mitigation
Sentry: uh, give me a minute here.
The one problem I see here is that we don't know when updates are on the horizon for individual champs, and almost by definition the champs in jeopardy the most are the ones with few advocates, so those dedicated threads could go cold quickly. And even after Hood, we can't preserve everything so one player mentioning one thing for one champ by itself can't prevent the devs from changing something. There has to be a very compelling reason to believe the functionality is important enough, and valued enough, to qualify for protection. That's going to be tricky to drum up support for, and sustain, over potentially a long period of time.
No obligations or commitments, just a set of champs that they (and probably we) would consider among the tune up pool? I’d be shocked if they couldn’t see which champs are primarily used by lower level players when there is no other option. They usually say they have the data.
Solicit serious input, police the thread to remove moronic comments and firefights and maybe get some actionable material from actual players.
Dr. Zola
So if they say here's what we're going to update in a couple months that might be too late in the process to gather feedback. But if they say here's what we're going to update in six months that might set up players to be disappointed when it doesn't happen. I suspect it is more likely they will do some kind of closed preview for a set of players, such that they can ask those players for feedback and they can tell those players not to discuss them just in case they don't materialize so as to not disappoint the wider player community. They have done things like this in the past where players were informed of potential upcoming changes and asked for feedback. Like a closed beta, but with no beta server (because nothing to test).