**UPDATE**
We are currently working to fix a known issue regarding Alliance Prestige. With the introduction of Relics, Summoner Prestige is now the average PI of your Top 5 Champions and the average PI of your Top 5 Relics (regardless of which Champion they are attached to) combined.

Today we pushed a fix that will allow for proper reward calculations in Alliance Quests. However, the display for Alliance Prestige will not be accurate and does not include Relic Prestige. This is a display issue only.

VERY Interesting Patent Kabam. Changes Reward Probabilities based on Spending? Hmm

HQ101HQ101 Posts: 422 ★★
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  • CropDusterCropDuster Posts: 568 ★★★
    Not surprised at all.
  • Jean_gryJean_gry Posts: 34
    Screen shoted cuz I know kabam will delete this soon.
  • PalanthraxPalanthrax Posts: 918 ★★★★
    Can open. Worms everywhere.
  • HQ101HQ101 Posts: 422 ★★
    It's their patent. Public Knowledge. Deleting this thread would seem kinda fishy.

    All I said was it was interesting. And it is.
  • Draco2199Draco2199 Posts: 803 ★★★
    HQ101 wrote: »
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    Most companies have patents but it doesn't mean that they are in use. As a heavy spender my odds seem worse than non-spenders so I would refute this theory.
  • DarkestDestroyerDarkestDestroyer Posts: 2,570 ★★★★
    It seems fine to me, scroll down it just lists what things Kabam have in place, like being able to give virtual items to players, doing deals etc for sale.

    All seems fine, I spend a bit too, my pulls aren't anything amazing
  • LurkerLurker Posts: 196
    there are several references to probabilities only changing when your spending level changes.
  • Draco2199 wrote: »
    HQ101 wrote: »
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    Most companies have patents but it doesn't mean that they are in use. As a heavy spender my odds seem worse than non-spenders so I would refute this theory.

    That’s because it works opposite of what you think. Big spenders worse odds, F2P players better odds to encourage spending on resources.
  • LurkerLurker Posts: 196
    from the patent text ... "distribution probability that increases as the first user's spending metric indicates a decrease in spending level."
  • SpiritOfVengeanceSpiritOfVengeance Posts: 2,353 ★★★★
    So they got caught out?
  • LurkerLurker Posts: 196
    from the patent ... "In some implementations a distribution probability may be a function of one or more variables, including, the spending metric of the user. In some implementations the function may be a mathematical derivation of one or more variables, including the spending metric. In some implementations the function may not be a strictly mathematical derivation, and may instead be an algorithmic expression of one or more variables, including the spending metric."
  • Vdh2008Vdh2008 Posts: 968 ★★★★
    Lol... A patent they owned before the game even started is somehow relevant. Jesus you guys are stretching.

    If "luck" improved with spending, I'd have much better results after almost 3 years and close to $15K spent.
  • Limitless216Limitless216 Posts: 62
    Great find OP. Many of us have been saying this. More rare champs are given to spenders. It's obvious.Thanks for posting the proof!
  • KocheeseKocheese Posts: 391 ★★
    Shameful company and liars! We all knew it
  • KocheeseKocheese Posts: 391 ★★
    Well they we're a gambling company before this. They are masters of manipulation
  • LurkerLurker Posts: 196
    what it means is that they built the game to correlate spending with rewards since the day of inception.
  • KocheeseKocheese Posts: 391 ★★
    Lurker wrote: »
    what it means is that they built the game to correlate spending with rewards since the day of inception.

    Think everyone knew that. I knew something was up so at first I researched their other games, specifically fast and furious and the discussion boards were awful. Ppl hated kabam. Everything was based off spending and kabam just abandoned the game. Just what I read
  • LurkerLurker Posts: 196
    Kocheese wrote: »
    Lurker wrote: »
    what it means is that they built the game to correlate spending with rewards since the day of inception.

    Think everyone knew that. I knew something was up so at first I researched their other games, specifically fast and furious and the discussion boards were awful. Ppl hated kabam. Everything was based off spending and kabam just abandoned the game. Just what I read

    I was responding to ...
    Vdh2008 wrote: »
    Lol... A patent they owned before the game even started is somehow relevant. Jesus you guys are stretching.

    If "luck" improved with spending, I'd have much better results after almost 3 years and close to $15K spent.

    but I forget to quote. I know it makes it hard to read. I'm not all that frequent of a msg board user...until lately. sorry.
  • KocheeseKocheese Posts: 391 ★★
    This is why ppl will never be able to sue Kabam. They are very good at being immune to any type of litigation. They have been pros at this way before mcoc
  • thanks4playingthanks4playing Posts: 803 ★★★
    Kocheese wrote: »
    Lurker wrote: »
    91KiX wrote: »
    Those of you defending this nonsense is atrocious especially when they’ve said time after
    time how it’s all “random” FOH

    I agree. if they said from the beginning that this is how it works, no problem. it's the lying that really irks me.

    💯 Agree, they have been on record time and time again starting it's random. Facts are facts.

    Took the words right out of my mouf.
  • rage1224rage1224 Posts: 55
    edited November 2017
    This is actually pretty significant. I really doubt Kabam is one of those companies that make up a ton of patents, in hopes that they'll be able to sue someone. I'd think it would be more likely that if they requested a patent, it's because this is something that's on the way, or already in design or development.
  • Draco2199Draco2199 Posts: 803 ★★★
    Great find OP. Many of us have been saying this. More rare champs are given to spenders. It's obvious.Thanks for posting the proof!

    Of course more champs are given to spenders, they keep spending until they get them lol.
  • Draco2199Draco2199 Posts: 803 ★★★
    Kocheese wrote: »
    Lurker wrote: »
    91KiX wrote: »
    Those of you defending this nonsense is atrocious especially when they’ve said time after
    time how it’s all “random” FOH

    I agree. if they said from the beginning that this is how it works, no problem. it's the lying that really irks me.

    💯 Agree, they have been on record time and time again starting it's random. Facts are facts.

    Took the words right out of my mouf.

    But it's still a random chance, also this is a patent for kabam games not just MCOC. The random chance is based off the algorithm. Everyone knows this is a game of chance so not sure why this is a big deal. You have a better chance not getting what you want. Your odds increase if you keep spending until you get it. Seems pretty simple.
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