As others have said, it's a pretty clear divide between when you run suicides vs when you don't. Both champs are still really good in their non-ideal mastery setup (Doom absolutely shreds with suicides, but self-melts after a fight or two; Claire has all of her qualities available to her even without suicides, she just does less of everything since everything she does is based on the damage she does).
I still prefer Doom since I think he locks down fights better than Claire does, though. I wouldn't choose him over her if I ran suicides, but I would choose him over her if we took my mastery setup out of the equation.
Unstop+evade control Nullify Godly regen No specific playstyle
I know she has no immunity (unlike BVCW and Doom), but she works perfectly for mystic stuff (nullify) and is more versatile with easy to access damage output (no cycle like Doom)
If she was that good we'd see more of her in daily content but she's not.
She's the bits and pieces kind of champ and there are others that do something specific and better than her.
She is really useful in day-to-day content. I used her all the way through 6.3-7.2, for V8, monthly quests, side quests, everything. Her buff control is great, haven't met a fight where I'd be overwhelmed by buffs. Her regen is very potent, it allows me to leave fights with more hp than I went in with pretty consistently.
I know that BVCW has double immunity and Doom has genius powercontrol, but let's be honest: how many times do you need that on day-to-day basis? Sometimes you do but majority of encounters don't require this at all.
My point is that SorSup isn't niche at all as you implied. She is quie the opposite actually
What 2 immunities do you think BWCV has, and which one were you forgetting? Bwcv also has power control, buff control that bypasses the immunities that they like to put on buffed bosses, etc.
I don't play claire, so I made a mess in her immunities. She has 3 immunities, and she can switch between them, having one active at a time if I am not mistaken.
I agree she has the utility you mentioned. On the other hand tho: how many bosses with nullify immunity were actually in need of being nullified badly? It is mostly really nice to have Claire to bypass the immunity that's true. But those matchups imo are just as easy w SorSup. We are talking daily content, no stuff like Act 6 etc. And with Cav EQ being about the hardest content, 5/65 SorSup deals with it easily.
Unstop+evade control Nullify Godly regen No specific playstyle
I know she has no immunity (unlike BVCW and Doom), but she works perfectly for mystic stuff (nullify) and is more versatile with easy to access damage output (no cycle like Doom)
If she was that good we'd see more of her in daily content but she's not.
She's the bits and pieces kind of champ and there are others that do something specific and better than her.
I know that BVCW has double immunity and Doom has genius powercontrol, but let's be honest: how many times do you need that on day-to-day basis?
How many times do you need Joe Fixit level regen and slow and nullify in the same kit in day to day content lol
Unstop+evade control Nullify Godly regen No specific playstyle
I know she has no immunity (unlike BVCW and Doom), but she works perfectly for mystic stuff (nullify) and is more versatile with easy to access damage output (no cycle like Doom)
If she was that good we'd see more of her in daily content but she's not.
She's the bits and pieces kind of champ and there are others that do something specific and better than her.
I know that BVCW has double immunity and Doom has genius powercontrol, but let's be honest: how many times do you need that on day-to-day basis?
How many times do you need Joe Fixit level regen and slow and nullify in the same kit in day to day content lol
Well, that "Joe Fixit level regen" very easily heals 25% hp over a daily-sized fight. It is often even more. I am not as good player as you are, but slipups happen and it comes handy, as well as the block damage negation.
I admit that slow you do not need very often, point for you. It is surely impractical that it doesn't work againat Science class.
As for nullify tho, I must disagree. It comes in handy. About 1/3 champs have some nullifiable buffs. It is nice to get the extra power from these. You may not need to get rid of the buffs, but what's the point of playing mystics then, since their main asset is nullify in many cases?
Unstop+evade control Nullify Godly regen No specific playstyle
I know she has no immunity (unlike BVCW and Doom), but she works perfectly for mystic stuff (nullify) and is more versatile with easy to access damage output (no cycle like Doom)
If she was that good we'd see more of her in daily content but she's not.
She's the bits and pieces kind of champ and there are others that do something specific and better than her.
Nobody does slow better than her, regen 100% of block damage plus constant regen for sustainability, armour break, passive power gain, power steal to get you out of tough spots, nullification (but she's not your go to buff control champ). She does a really good amount of things really well. She's not as good as Doom, but I'd say without suicides she's as useful as Claire
Not saying she's bad or useless. I might've ranked her if I didn't have Doom, BWCV and Sym supreme, sasquatch.
She looks really interesting.
For starters, sasquatch doesn't deserve to even be mentioned.
2nd, Sorcerer is far more versatile and a staple to have than Sym or Claire. Diablo pretty much rendered claire less relevant than she was , since he's a way better suicide friendly mytic champ.
Unstop+evade control Nullify Godly regen No specific playstyle
I know she has no immunity (unlike BVCW and Doom), but she works perfectly for mystic stuff (nullify) and is more versatile with easy to access damage output (no cycle like Doom)
If she was that good we'd see more of her in daily content but she's not.
She's the bits and pieces kind of champ and there are others that do something specific and better than her.
Nobody does slow better than her, regen 100% of block damage plus constant regen for sustainability, armour break, passive power gain, power steal to get you out of tough spots, nullification (but she's not your go to buff control champ). She does a really good amount of things really well. She's not as good as Doom, but I'd say without suicides she's as useful as Claire
Not saying she's bad or useless. I might've ranked her if I didn't have Doom, BWCV and Sym supreme, sasquatch.
She looks really interesting.
For starters, sasquatch doesn't deserve to even be mentioned.
2nd, Sorcerer is far more versatile and a staple to have than Sym or Claire. Diablo pretty much rendered claire less relevant than she was , since he's a way better suicide friendly mytic champ.
You are severely underestimating Sasquatch. He's not the best mystic, but he can hold his ground. Diablo is a top 7 mystic. Sym is for niche matchups but he crushes them. Imo it's (if non suicides) #1 Doom #2 Claire #3 Sorcerer #4 Tigra #5 Mojo/Longshot #6 Dragonman #7 Diablo #8 Dr V #9 Magik
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I still prefer Doom since I think he locks down fights better than Claire does, though. I wouldn't choose him over her if I ran suicides, but I would choose him over her if we took my mastery setup out of the equation.
I agree she has the utility you mentioned. On the other hand tho: how many bosses with nullify immunity were actually in need of being nullified badly? It is mostly really nice to have Claire to bypass the immunity that's true. But those matchups imo are just as easy w SorSup. We are talking daily content, no stuff like Act 6 etc. And with Cav EQ being about the hardest content, 5/65 SorSup deals with it easily.
pre-nerf Doctor Strange.
I admit that slow you do not need very often, point for you. It is surely impractical that it doesn't work againat Science class.
As for nullify tho, I must disagree. It comes in handy. About 1/3 champs have some nullifiable buffs. It is nice to get the extra power from these. You may not need to get rid of the buffs, but what's the point of playing mystics then, since their main asset is nullify in many cases?
2nd, Sorcerer is far more versatile and a staple to have than Sym or Claire. Diablo pretty much rendered claire less relevant than she was , since he's a way better suicide friendly mytic champ.
Diablo is a top 7 mystic.
Sym is for niche matchups but he crushes them.
Imo it's (if non suicides)
#1 Doom
#2 Claire
#3 Sorcerer
#4 Tigra
#5 Mojo/Longshot
#6 Dragonman
#7 Diablo
#8 Dr V
#9 Magik