What exactly is causing the t5b imbalance for end gamers? Let's take a look...

hungryhungrybbq · January 5

Most of us "end gamers" have often wondered how this t5b shortage is occurring. And, why is a resource introduced 4 years ago in Act 5 giving us issues in 2022? I finally decided to take a closer look at the rewards I earn in recurring content such as AQ. Specifically the ratio of t2a to t5b. Spoiler alert: It's not good. Fact is, when we look at the ratios required to rank up champions, the rewards are really skewed towards 5 star progression. And in some cases are even below the ratio required for 5 star progression... even for Map 8! Where almost all of the participants are exclusively working on 6 star progression.

hungryhungrybbq · January 5

Any who disagree wish to say why? If you have an opinion on the topic or believe anything stated is inaccurate, I'd like to hear it.

pseudosane · January 5

hungryhungrybbq said:
Any who disagree wish to say why? If you have an opinion on the topic or believe anything stated is inaccurate, I'd like to hear it.

I agree wit you regarding the ratios. Ignore the disagrees, they are from the disagree spammers who have nothing else to do.

Liquidkold · January 5

I feel your pain. I constantly rank up 5 stars to r4 just to use the over flow of Alpha 2. It is such a waste but it is better then it expiring. It is a struggle the higher you get. Management of resources are a big deal. I stopped opening map crystals just to slow the over flow of Alpha 2.

Monk1 · January 5

I made thread about this back in October.. it is now beyond a joke how I can always have 40-50 t2a and no t5b.

Yeah here is some good analysis on balance in here as well, but even know we still are not updating glory store to give more than 33,750 a week 🤦‍♂️

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/284363/when-will-the-t5b-shortage-be-addressed

Zeraphan · January 5

The amount of t2a vs t5b is rather crazy.

pseudosane · January 5

laserjohn26 said:

Monk1 said:
I made thread about this back in October.. it is now beyond a joke how I can always have 40-50 t2a and no t5b.

Yeah here is some good analysis on balance in here as well, but even know we still are not updating glory store to give more than 33,750 a week 🤦‍♂️

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/284363/when-will-the-t5b-shortage-be-addressed

You have so many t2a because you don't know how to manage resources.

Not really. If you dont rankup 5*, t2a ratio is whack.

AverageDesi · January 5

hungryhungrybbq said:
Any who disagree wish to say why? If you have an opinion on the topic or believe anything stated is inaccurate, I'd like to hear it.

Imma hit disagree becuase you made a comment about disagrees

AverageDesi · January 5

It seems there's usually a tremendous overflow of t2a always. But anytime new act chapter is released they almost balance out providing nice amount of t5bs for rankups. Right now i have exactly 8 t5bs at my disposal.

And all my glory is usually spent on t5b

Adevati · January 5

Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?

Mauled · January 5

I've got 23 T2A in my overflow currently. Obviously it'll drop a bit when I R3 Here next week but I'm still getting T2A far more quickly than I get T5B. I'm going to have to R4 a few 5* to get it under control or let them expire which I'd rather not do. Luckily I've got a few 5* that I do want to put a couple of resources into just to play around - Nimrod, Cull and SW, but it's a bit of a toss up whether I value a R4 SW over the 1m gold I'll spend on her...

Monk1 · January 5

laserjohn26 said:

Monk1 said:
I made thread about this back in October.. it is now beyond a joke how I can always have 40-50 t2a and no t5b.

Yeah here is some good analysis on balance in here as well, but even know we still are not updating glory store to give more than 33,750 a week 🤦‍♂️

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/284363/when-will-the-t5b-shortage-be-addressed

You have so many t2a because you don't know how to manage resources.

Please enlighten me.. ad I know exactly how to manage and balance everything. But when we are getting 10 t2a to 1 t5b (if not 12 -1) then it’s not possible.

This is before we get into the 13 t5cc I have unused.

Colinwhitworth69 · January 5

I have a lot of T2a now because of gifting crystals, but usually not overflowing with them.

Fenico · January 5

hungryhungrybbq said:
Any who disagree wish to say why? If you have an opinion on the topic or believe anything stated is inaccurate, I'd like to hear it.

I mean you said you took closer look at ratios and then you just said it is bad. Some more concrete info would be helpful I think.

Don't take me wrong, I agree that t5b shortage is really bad but some more evidence would be nice.

Denslo500 · January 5

@Adevati or they could let us sell them.

Ken1378 · January 5

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?

It’s also about the dozens of expiring T2A in our inventory that we can’t sell.

A few potential solutions are pretty obvious to me:
1. Change the ratio of T2A to T5B in late game content rewards from about 3:1 to below 2:1 (this includes AQ rank rewards for Alliances rank 31-500ish).
2. Give us a much better price on T5B in the Glory store.
3. Allow us to sell T2A. (Probably won’t happen for a while)

AMS94 · January 5

hungryhungrybbq said:
Any who disagree wish to say why? If you have an opinion on the topic or believe anything stated is inaccurate, I'd like to hear it.

There's a pandemic of disagree spammers on the forums
U cn write the most factually correct things possible & they'll still reach there

AMS94 · January 5

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?

There's no problem with "I want to rank-up more champs faster"
At this point a mid to high end thronebreaker shouldn't be struggling to take 3 champs to R2 each month or may be 1 R3 & 1 R2

CoatHang3r · January 5

If it wasn’t for this “imbalance” I wouldn’t be able to seriously participate in the level up event because all my 5s are r3 or higher. Believe it or not people rank 5s with their t2a, so I welcome all the t2a I can earn and will even buy it in the glory store at times.

The t5b is “rarer” because that’s the rate Kabam wants you to rank up the highest ranks of champions with incentive to spend on offers built in to the equation; It’s part of the free to play model.

Wicket329 · January 5

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?

I absolutely agree that there should be a difference in the availability of various resources. However, I disagree with where the choke point should be. We have two levels of resource beyond t5b at this point, being t5cc and t6b/t3a. Those are the areas which I would expect to need to scrounge for resources.

But the issue here isn’t just that there is a lack of t5b, it is the comparative lack of it next to the abundance of t2a. Both are needed to r2 a 6* champion, which is the necessary first step for 6* champions. So not having enough t5b to r2 a 6*, but having 30 t2a in the overflow is the problem. It feels bad to either just let it rot and expire or to have to spend iso and gold to use it to r4 a 5* champion who, odds are high, you’ll never actually use or take to r5 because that would also cost t5b which is better spent elsewhere.

Adevati · January 5

Ken1378 said:

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?
It’s also about the dozens of expiring T2A in our inventory that we can’t sell.

A few potential solutions are pretty obvious to me:
1. Change the ratio of T2A to T5B in late game content rewards from about 3:1 to below 2:1 (this includes AQ rank rewards for Alliances rank 31-500ish).
2. Give us a much better price on T5B in the Glory store.
3. Allow us to sell T2A. (Probably won’t happen for a while)

So you want more resources? To rank up faster?

Wicket329 said:

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?
I absolutely agree that there should be a difference in the availability of various resources. However, I disagree with where the choke point should be. We have two levels of resource beyond t5b at this point, being t5cc and t6b/t3a. Those are the areas which I would expect to need to scrounge for resources.

But the issue here isn’t just that there is a lack of t5b, it is the comparative lack of it next to the abundance of t2a. Both are needed to r2 a 6* champion, which is the necessary first step for 6* champions. So not having enough t5b to r2 a 6*, but having 30 t2a in the overflow is the problem. It feels bad to either just let it rot and expire or to have to spend iso and gold to use it to r4 a 5* champion who, odds are high, you’ll never actually use or take to r5 because that would also cost t5b which is better spent elsewhere.

Most games have abundant resources that one must decide to use on lesser upgrades, ignore, or let go to waste. That will happen in every single dynamic where one resource is much more rare than the other.

Saying you want more of the rare resource because the common resource is being wasted is a silly notion in the context of gaming.

Just come out and say you want more T5B so you can rank up champs faster.

Pikolu · January 5

Adevati said:

Ken1378 said:

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?
It’s also about the dozens of expiring T2A in our inventory that we can’t sell.

A few potential solutions are pretty obvious to me:
1. Change the ratio of T2A to T5B in late game content rewards from about 3:1 to below 2:1 (this includes AQ rank rewards for Alliances rank 31-500ish).
2. Give us a much better price on T5B in the Glory store.
3. Allow us to sell T2A. (Probably won’t happen for a while)
So you want more resources? To rank up faster?
Wicket329 said:

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?
I absolutely agree that there should be a difference in the availability of various resources. However, I disagree with where the choke point should be. We have two levels of resource beyond t5b at this point, being t5cc and t6b/t3a. Those are the areas which I would expect to need to scrounge for resources.

But the issue here isn’t just that there is a lack of t5b, it is the comparative lack of it next to the abundance of t2a. Both are needed to r2 a 6* champion, which is the necessary first step for 6* champions. So not having enough t5b to r2 a 6*, but having 30 t2a in the overflow is the problem. It feels bad to either just let it rot and expire or to have to spend iso and gold to use it to r4 a 5* champion who, odds are high, you’ll never actually use or take to r5 because that would also cost t5b which is better spent elsewhere.
Most games have abundant resources that one must decide to use on lesser upgrades, ignore, or let go to waste. That will happen in every single dynamic where one resource is much more rare than the other.

Saying you want more of the rare resource because the common resource is being wasted is a silly notion in the context of gaming.

Just come out and say you want more T5B so you can rank up champs faster.

I want more t5b because 5* champs are all but useless with my progression in the game, and while availability of t2a has increased dramatically over the last few years, the availability of t5b has barely increased at all. Not to mention a r2 6* should not be the chokepoint for ranking up. The real chokepoints should be placed at r3 6* and r4 6*s.

Brandonmballou · January 5

T5b and t2a arenas are needed

awesomesauce · January 5

up until the GGC my biggest bottleneck for ranking 6* champions was t4b... lol.

just looking at 6* champs:

R1 - R2 requires:
7 T4b
3 T5b
7 T2a
7 T4cc

R2 - R3 requires:
1 T5cc
4 T5b
8 T2a
8 T4cc (why is this even a thing?)

R4+ no longer requires t2a but is instead replaced with t3a, but still needs 5 t5b.

Few easy solutions/proposed fixes:
1. Increase catalyst storage capacity
2. Increase amount of t5b in rewards
3. increase value of purchase of t5b in the glory store
4. allow people to sell t2a for t3a shards

Ken1378 · January 5

Adevati said:

Ken1378 said:

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?
It’s also about the dozens of expiring T2A in our inventory that we can’t sell.

A few potential solutions are pretty obvious to me:
1. Change the ratio of T2A to T5B in late game content rewards from about 3:1 to below 2:1 (this includes AQ rank rewards for Alliances rank 31-500ish).
2. Give us a much better price on T5B in the Glory store.
3. Allow us to sell T2A. (Probably won’t happen for a while)
So you want more resources? To rank up faster?
Wicket329 said:

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?
I absolutely agree that there should be a difference in the availability of various resources. However, I disagree with where the choke point should be. We have two levels of resource beyond t5b at this point, being t5cc and t6b/t3a. Those are the areas which I would expect to need to scrounge for resources.

But the issue here isn’t just that there is a lack of t5b, it is the comparative lack of it next to the abundance of t2a. Both are needed to r2 a 6* champion, which is the necessary first step for 6* champions. So not having enough t5b to r2 a 6*, but having 30 t2a in the overflow is the problem. It feels bad to either just let it rot and expire or to have to spend iso and gold to use it to r4 a 5* champion who, odds are high, you’ll never actually use or take to r5 because that would also cost t5b which is better spent elsewhere.
Most games have abundant resources that one must decide to use on lesser upgrades, ignore, or let go to waste. That will happen in every single dynamic where one resource is much more rare than the other.

Saying you want more of the rare resource because the common resource is being wasted is a silly notion in the context of gaming.

Just come out and say you want more T5B so you can rank up champs faster.

No, I want more balanced resources and rewards that I actually value. There is too much T2A and too little T5B. And it seems pretty obvious to everybody here except you.

The bottleneck being T5CC or T3A/T6B makes a lot of sense. A T5B bottleneck does not. I stopped opening T5CC crystals months ago because I don’t want to put myself in a position where one could expire.

Mauled · January 5

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?

The solution is quite obvious; slow down the T2A acquisition rate slightly and increase T5B so that the disparity isn't so huge. Even my brand new account - 6 weeks old has 4 T2A in the overflow having already taken a 5* to R5. So I've obtained almost 20 T2A in 6 weeks on an account running Map 3.

I don't need to be able to R2 a 6* every week, I don't think most of us have the gold to do that even if we wanted to, but there does need to be better balance if even a brand new account is facing the same management issues as a very endgame account.

Adevati · January 5

Mauled said:

Adevati said:
Pretty much every game I’ve ever played has resources that are more rare than others leading to overflow of the “common” resource.

MMORPGs where you let items rot because you don’t need them ring a bell?

Making careful decisions on who to rank up should always be a part of this game (or any game). Games where you drown in resources and don’t have to work very hard for certain resources are empty and boring.

That said, what is your solution? Increase T5B? So now we can all rank up at a much faster rate removing the satisfaction of working towards a specific rank up or the decision factor? Or do we lower T2A artificially and keep rank ups at the same rate?

How is this “problem” being brought up with anything other than the intention of, “I want to rank up more champs faster.”?
The solution is quite obvious; slow down the T2A acquisition rate slightly and increase T5B so that the disparity isn't so huge. Even my brand new account - 6 weeks old has 4 T2A in the overflow having already taken a 5* to R5. So I've obtained almost 20 T2A in 6 weeks on an account running Map 3.

I don't need to be able to R2 a 6* every week, I don't think most of us have the gold to do that even if we wanted to, but there does need to be better balance if even a brand new account is facing the same management issues as a very endgame account.

Once again, you are advocating faster rank up materials leading to faster rank ups.

You are asking Kabam to speed up progression on the account of you having expiring materials.

Keep showering me with disagrees. But this entitlement that players deserve more of the uncommon resource because they have too much of the common one is hilarious.

The few people saying just lower T2A is silly as well. How does it help if you now earn 5 T2A compared to earning 10 T2A and having 5 expire? Seems rather redundant. At least with the latter you can choose to upgrade lower tier champs.

Say they speed up T5B and now we all have T2A and T5B expiring. Are we going to complain that there is T5CC imbalance and we all deserve more of that resource?

hungryhungrybbq · January 5

Liquidkold said:
I feel your pain. I constantly rank up 5 stars to r4 just to use the over flow of Alpha 2. It is such a waste but it is better then it expiring. It is a struggle the higher you get. Management of resources are a big deal. I stopped opening map crystals just to slow the over flow of Alpha 2.

I hear you, and sometimes in the past I did 4/55 a 5 star. Just to burn the t2a. Will I ever used them even in arena? Probably not, except maybe 1-2 a year if I'm grinding for a basic champ.

Here's the problem though, and why I stopped doing it. 5 stars and 6 stars do share the same resources. T4b for r2 6 star and t4c for both r2 and 3. So, any 5 star we rank (and will never use) is just stealing much needed t4b and c from the mouths of our 6 stars. Which is why I can't do it anymore.

But, of course, the main point is why should endgame players (done all content/playing for 4-7 years) be struggling with a resource we already chased.. like 4 years ago? The TB Glory Store values are the most outrageous issue imo... and a simple update to them (in line with veteran progression in 2022) would go a long way to fix it. Let us actually choose to use our hard earned Glory on something we need. As it stands, there is virtually nothing that has real value to me in the Glory Store. I just get upset at the end of each AQ cycle when I'm forced to spend/claim some currently. There's no excuse for such a poor value for this 2018 resource in the TB store.

But beyond that, I just also wanted to actually take note of what ratios we are earning across the board. And it's not acceptable.

What exactly is causing the t5b imbalance for end gamers? Let's take a look...

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