Og Guilly

Hrishikesh713 · March 2022

Now i haven't player her even after her buff....so in latest new update they have fixed her regen to 3%...so does that make any difference?? I don't have any idea about her so I don't know about that....what are your thoughts???

Wicket329 · March 2022

It will make her better at what she currently does. Which is, more or less, the same things she could do before her overhaul.

Could be very solid for Gimme, maybe? I dunno, overall not thrilled, but marginally better than the current iteration. She still desperately needs utility.

Beewee · March 2022

Her regen still isn’t on par with what it should be. I believe someone did the math and her original regen would be around 4-5% the new guillotines original stats

LibertyPrimeV1 · March 2022

All these month's of waiting for the regen tweak, because they themselves admitted it was underpowered for what they intended, just for it to be an additional 1%... Couldn't even make it comparable to her original state, which would not have been overpowered in any way seeing as she'd still be a Lesser Wolverine, or at the very least made this change the day you mentioned it was being looked into because it really didn't need several months of testing.

FluffyPigMonster · March 2022

Mine is R2 and I already like her. I figured out how to maximise her Pain Link.

This is a bonus

Kabam Miike · March 2022

Beewee said:
Her regen still isn’t on par with what it should be. I believe someone did the math and her original regen would be around 4-5% the new guillotines original stats

Based on before and after data, 3% should put her above what she used to do per fight. It doesn't look as big or flashy as big numbers, but we're looking at per fight and not all at once, and not only in instances where you'd get those big numbers like the ROL Winter Soldier.

magnus_xix · March 2022

It's a 50% increase tbf. Who knows maybe that amounts to something significant.

Wicket329 · March 2022

FluffyPigMonster said:
Mine is R2 and I already like her. I figured out how to maximise her Pain Link.

This is a bonus

What do you use it for? And do you run the recoil mastery tree with her?

LibertyPrimeV1 · March 2022

Kabam Miike said:

Beewee said:
Her regen still isn’t on par with what it should be. I believe someone did the math and her original regen would be around 4-5% the new guillotines original stats
Based on before and after data, 3% should put her above what she used to do per fight. It doesn't look as big or flashy as big numbers, but we're looking at per fight and not all at once, and not only in instances where you'd get those big numbers like the ROL Winter Soldier.

But the original life steal would've still been better per fight, don't really see the argument there. The bursts of healing that was getting increased by her soul count while not nearly as common more than made up for by the amount it healed, since the healing could be boosted beyond 100% of the damage she dealt off that hit (via the soul count) regardless of sig level.

mmmbanyas · March 2022

Kabam Miike said:

Beewee said:
Her regen still isn’t on par with what it should be. I believe someone did the math and her original regen would be around 4-5% the new guillotines original stats
Based on before and after data, 3% should put her above what she used to do per fight. It doesn't look as big or flashy as big numbers, but we're looking at per fight and not all at once, and not only in instances where you'd get those big numbers like the ROL Winter Soldier.

I appreciate you guys trying still but I feel you all just completely missed the whole point of her. We all voted to get her buffed and you just said that the 3% “should” put her above what she used to be at. We want a real buff and voted for it. I was waiting to r3 mine since I like the character and have her duped at sig 60. Now she will just sit there forever at r1 like everyone else’s besides the people that pulled the trigger too quick when her buff was announced. I’m about to take my duped Dorm to r2 over her, at least he can have some use in the battleground mode most likely.

Texas_11 · March 2022

Kabam Miike said:

Beewee said:
Her regen still isn’t on par with what it should be. I believe someone did the math and her original regen would be around 4-5% the new guillotines original stats
Based on before and after data, 3% should put her above what she used to do per fight. It doesn't look as big or flashy as big numbers, but we're looking at per fight and not all at once, and not only in instances where you'd get those big numbers like the ROL Winter Soldier.

Hi Mike,
. The difference seems almost pointless from a 500k health pool we are talking about a 5k difference in health gain from 2%. to 3% In 5 fights you would have almost generated 50k health back from 2% and then 75k health back in total from the 3%.

It just seems weird that Diablo/ Claire/ America Chavez / Morning star can all generate that back in one fight.

In smaller fights her only utility becomes less useful.

More importantly ,
Why waste a buff spot on a 1% increase ? I feel that was really unfair considering we skipped buffs, this could have been added on the back end.

CosmicGuardian · March 2022

Ultimately, I don’t see an extra 1% making much of a difference in terms of her regen, although I could be wrong but I doubt it. This still doesn’t do anything to fix the lack of utility she possesses or the other problems that have been identified about her buff. Personally, I was hoping the regen fix would involve a way to temporarily increase how much she could life steal, so you could possibly get large chunks of health back and make her somewhat similar to how she used to be. I’m still hoping that she gets the justice she deserves, but at this point it just continues to look less and less likely.

Raichu626 · March 2022

Kabam Miike said:

Beewee said:
Her regen still isn’t on par with what it should be. I believe someone did the math and her original regen would be around 4-5% the new guillotines original stats
Based on before and after data, 3% should put her above what she used to do per fight. It doesn't look as big or flashy as big numbers, but we're looking at per fight and not all at once, and not only in instances where you'd get those big numbers like the ROL Winter Soldier.

That just sounds wrong... it's still at most 3% of the opponent's health, I find it hard to believe that's better than what old guilly would regularly do.

DNA3000 · March 2022

Kabam Miike said:

Beewee said:
Her regen still isn’t on par with what it should be. I believe someone did the math and her original regen would be around 4-5% the new guillotines original stats
Based on before and after data, 3% should put her above what she used to do per fight. It doesn't look as big or flashy as big numbers, but we're looking at per fight and not all at once, and not only in instances where you'd get those big numbers like the ROL Winter Soldier.

I'm sure a lot of people are judging the heal based on the big floaty numbers. I am not one of those people. Both testing and calculations suggested that the original 2% was too low, and the actual target should have been something around 3.5-4%. 3% is closer, but still below the target. Maybe close enough so people won't notice, but still.

The data that Kabam released suggested that Guillotine was already healing comparable to champions that are known to have valuable healing strength, such as Black Widow Claire Voyant. You're now boosting the heal by 50% above that level. 50% more healing than Claire would likely be approaching game-breaking levels of healing, if it was actually genuinely 50% more value. The only logical conclusion is the data being used to measure the numerical effects of the heal is misrepresenting the value of the heal in practice.

Which begs the question of why continue to use it as a guide? I understand the need to use data to temper intuition, but data is only as good as its ability to represent the important factors of what's being measured. When you spot a problem with data properly representing the situation, you must cease continuing to trust it in that situation.

Chovner · March 2022

Community: Guillotine's new small percentage healing is WAY lower than before. I used to be able heal all the way back to almost full in normal fights.
Kabam: The data has shown that her healing is just as effective as before.
Community: But I can't heal almost all the way back to almost full in normal fights.
Kabam: THE DATA HAS SHOWN THAT HER HEALING IS JUST AS EFFECTIVE AS BEFORE!!!!
Community:

Kabam:

You're welcome!!!!

I don't see how the extra 1% will be even close to what we were all hoping, but I guess we'll see on Monday...

Reference · March 2022

Texas_11 said:

Kabam Miike said:

Beewee said:
Her regen still isn’t on par with what it should be. I believe someone did the math and her original regen would be around 4-5% the new guillotines original stats
Based on before and after data, 3% should put her above what she used to do per fight. It doesn't look as big or flashy as big numbers, but we're looking at per fight and not all at once, and not only in instances where you'd get those big numbers like the ROL Winter Soldier.
Hi Mike,
. The difference seems almost pointless from a 500k health pool we are talking about a 5k difference in health gain from 2%. to 3% In 5 fights you would have almost generated 50k health back from 2% and then 75k health back in total from the 3%.

It just seems weird that Diablo/ Claire/ America Chavez / Morning star can all generate that back in one fight.

In smaller fights her only utility becomes less useful.

More importantly ,
Why waste a buff spot on a 1% increase ? I feel that was really unfair considering we skipped buffs, this could have been added on the back end.

Good points. I’m still questioning whether it is a buff or just make her in par with what she was before. I’d test her again, yet I’d probably not voting anymore in any future summoners’ choice election, which turns out killing a champs that I used frequently before.

Magrailothos · March 2022

FluffyPigMonster said:
Mine is R2 and I already like her. I figured out how to maximise her Pain Link.

This is a bonus

It's a little annoying on defense, when she places it without hitting you.

Behind that, is it largely about hitting the opponent with your Recoil damage?

Chikel · March 2022

Magrailothos said:

FluffyPigMonster said:
Mine is R2 and I already like her. I figured out how to maximise her Pain Link.

This is a bonus
It's a little annoying on defense, when she places it without hitting you.

Behind that, is it largely about hitting the opponent with your Recoil damage?

I ran into a Guilly with the coward node in incursions. Fun times

DrDrill · March 2022

to Kabam
you know what, just drop her from future buff schedule.
stop wasting a buff slot to do absolutely nothing to a champion absolutely no one uses postnerf (yeah, nerf)
0 utility. new sp3 deals less than light attack damage.
instead of this nonsense 'buff', you could've buffed another OG champion like Groot

GrandOldKai · March 2022

Is she actually taking a buff slot or are they just tweaking her regen and that's it?

Because the latter honestly seems... a little disheartening.

Chovner · March 2022

It's the natural assumption that she took up a buff slot since only Psycho Man was announced as a buff champ this month. It would be sad if it took them several months to come up with "we'll add 1% more regen"...

KnightNvrEnding · March 2022

It’s gonna make a “difference” lol though at best I’m feeling like it’s gonna be JUST enough to offset using suicides with her…that’s still not great compared to what her regen used to be like tho lol

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