My alliance keeps dropping in ranking while winning haven't lost yet or moved tiers so if you were in a high tier to start your good. Everyone else is screwed
Has anyone Moved tiers? The numbers shouldn’t matter as tiers just contain a certain amount of alliances, the first war was on old numbers system so that was confusing, but we haven’t moved tiers and I’m seeing a few people say they haven’t either
Has anyone Moved tiers? The numbers shouldn’t matter as tiers just contain a certain amount of alliances, the first war was on old numbers system so that was confusing, but we haven’t moved tiers and I’m seeing a few people say they haven’t either
Haven't moved tiers even after winning 4 in a row. We normally bounce between 10 and 9 but stuck on 10 now.
We lost our first war (-30) and have won the next two (+12 each). Still not back to where we started. Under the old system, our wins were +40 for where we’re at in war tiers.
Many alliance were screwed up by this issue.
Actually it only screwed over alliances that lost the first war. It’s benefiting those that won the first war.
so it's 50% alliances right?
I never put a number to it, I’m only stating that the alliances that lost have a larger hill to climb back up to where they were and those that won have a superficial buffer because of it now. If an ally is on the cuff of tiers and typically bounce between two tiers if they lost the first won dropping them out of a higher tier itll be near impossible for them to catch up to those that won/jumped them. So definitely not 50% of alliances would that impact.
We lost our first war (-30) and have won the next two (+12 each). Still not back to where we started. Under the old system, our wins were +40 for where we’re at in war tiers.
Many alliance were screwed up by this issue.
Actually it only screwed over alliances that lost the first war. It’s benefiting those that won the first war.
so it's 50% alliances right?
I never put a number to it, I’m only stating that the alliances that lost have a larger hill to climb back up to where they were and those that won have a superficial buffer because of it now. If an ally is on the cuff of tiers and typically bounce between two tiers if they lost the first won dropping them out of a higher tier itll be near impossible for them to catch up to those that won/jumped them. So definitely not 50% of alliances would that impact.
No, I never said that. This isn’t an issue that can be ignored.
I think the change was deliberate to combat shell alliances. Now that its exposed some other problems Kabam acts like a deer in the headlights like every other time one of their improvements doesn't go well.
This is something we have eyes on, hoping to have more info soon!
Any update to this?
Cancel war season and hand out rewards based on the previous season.
Is it effecting everyone? Honestly curious if you know
I'm pretty sure the points gained/lost is the same for everyone. Would be interested to see what T1 and Masters points look like.
I mean I'm sure everyone is getting reduced points for the win/loss. So that is "everyone". The problem is those alliances that LOST the first war. We can effectively say 50%. Those alliances are having a harder time bouncing back. If the first war wasn't the higher points I don't think it would really matter. But in the past a loss would require ~2 wins to overcome. Here it's taking 4 wins to get back to starting.
If the 1st war would have been the 19/20 we are seeing then everything would essentially be fine. But it wasn't and that means at least 50% of alliances have an "unfair" point advantage.
I think that's the bigger issue. Either the 1st war was pointed wrong, or the mote recent ones were. Either way there is an issue that needs to be addressed, rather quickly. Either scrap the 1st war or scrap the season. If the season is scrapped last season rewards should be given.
Well we haven’t moved tiers but we won first three lost last two so it’s plausible, could be something that’s a broken correction to t7+ wars being locked off season and trying to fix whatever was wrong there?
This is something we have eyes on, hoping to have more info soon!
Any update to this?
Cancel war season and hand out rewards based on the previous season.
Is it effecting everyone? Honestly curious if you know
I'm pretty sure the points gained/lost is the same for everyone. Would be interested to see what T1 and Masters points look like.
I mean I'm sure everyone is getting reduced points for the win/loss. So that is "everyone". The problem is those alliances that LOST the first war. We can effectively say 50%. Those alliances are having a harder time bouncing back. If the first war wasn't the higher points I don't think it would really matter. But in the past a loss would require ~2 wins to overcome. Here it's taking 4 wins to get back to starting.
If the 1st war would have been the 19/20 we are seeing then everything would essentially be fine. But it wasn't and that means at least 50% of alliances have an "unfair" point advantage.
I think that's the bigger issue. Either the 1st war was pointed wrong, or the mote recent ones were. Either way there is an issue that needs to be addressed, rather quickly. Either scrap the 1st war or scrap the season. If the season is scrapped last season rewards should be given.
Yup exactly what I’ve been saying. I’m curious to see t1-2 +/- points. I know t3 we have been getting 19/20.
This is something we have eyes on, hoping to have more info soon!
Any update to this?
Cancel war season and hand out rewards based on the previous season.
Is it effecting everyone? Honestly curious if you know
I'm pretty sure the points gained/lost is the same for everyone. Would be interested to see what T1 and Masters points look like.
I mean I'm sure everyone is getting reduced points for the win/loss. So that is "everyone". The problem is those alliances that LOST the first war. We can effectively say 50%. Those alliances are having a harder time bouncing back. If the first war wasn't the higher points I don't think it would really matter. But in the past a loss would require ~2 wins to overcome. Here it's taking 4 wins to get back to starting.
If the 1st war would have been the 19/20 we are seeing then everything would essentially be fine. But it wasn't and that means at least 50% of alliances have an "unfair" point advantage.
I think that's the bigger issue. Either the 1st war was pointed wrong, or the mote recent ones were. Either way there is an issue that needs to be addressed, rather quickly. Either scrap the 1st war or scrap the season. If the season is scrapped last season rewards should be given.
Yup exactly what I’ve been saying. I’m curious to see t1-2 +/- points. I know t3 we have been getting 19/20.
This is something we have eyes on, hoping to have more info soon!
Any update to this?
Cancel war season and hand out rewards based on the previous season.
Is it effecting everyone? Honestly curious if you know
I'm pretty sure the points gained/lost is the same for everyone. Would be interested to see what T1 and Masters points look like.
I mean I'm sure everyone is getting reduced points for the win/loss. So that is "everyone". The problem is those alliances that LOST the first war. We can effectively say 50%. Those alliances are having a harder time bouncing back. If the first war wasn't the higher points I don't think it would really matter. But in the past a loss would require ~2 wins to overcome. Here it's taking 4 wins to get back to starting.
If the 1st war would have been the 19/20 we are seeing then everything would essentially be fine. But it wasn't and that means at least 50% of alliances have an "unfair" point advantage.
I think that's the bigger issue. Either the 1st war was pointed wrong, or the mote recent ones were. Either way there is an issue that needs to be addressed, rather quickly. Either scrap the 1st war or scrap the season. If the season is scrapped last season rewards should be given.
Yup exactly what I’ve been saying. I’m curious to see t1-2 +/- points. I know t3 we have been getting 19/20.
I doubt anyone in t1-2 will post them.
I posted T1 numbers earlier in the thread. We have a K of 39 (e.g. +19/-20, +25/-14, +5/-34).
This is something we have eyes on, hoping to have more info soon!
Any update to this?
Cancel war season and hand out rewards based on the previous season.
Is it effecting everyone? Honestly curious if you know
I'm pretty sure the points gained/lost is the same for everyone. Would be interested to see what T1 and Masters points look like.
I mean I'm sure everyone is getting reduced points for the win/loss. So that is "everyone". The problem is those alliances that LOST the first war. We can effectively say 50%. Those alliances are having a harder time bouncing back. If the first war wasn't the higher points I don't think it would really matter. But in the past a loss would require ~2 wins to overcome. Here it's taking 4 wins to get back to starting.
If the 1st war would have been the 19/20 we are seeing then everything would essentially be fine. But it wasn't and that means at least 50% of alliances have an "unfair" point advantage.
I think that's the bigger issue. Either the 1st war was pointed wrong, or the mote recent ones were. Either way there is an issue that needs to be addressed, rather quickly. Either scrap the 1st war or scrap the season. If the season is scrapped last season rewards should be given.
Yup exactly what I’ve been saying. I’m curious to see t1-2 +/- points. I know t3 we have been getting 19/20.
I doubt anyone in t1-2 will post them.
I posted T1 numbers earlier in the thread. We have a K of 39 (e.g. +19/-20, +25/-14, +5/-34).
Technically you didn’t post the numbers you only stated they equal to 39. The ask was if someone would post screenshots of their +/-.
This is something we have eyes on, hoping to have more info soon!
Any update to this?
Cancel war season and hand out rewards based on the previous season.
Is it effecting everyone? Honestly curious if you know
I'm pretty sure the points gained/lost is the same for everyone. Would be interested to see what T1 and Masters points look like.
I mean I'm sure everyone is getting reduced points for the win/loss. So that is "everyone". The problem is those alliances that LOST the first war. We can effectively say 50%. Those alliances are having a harder time bouncing back. If the first war wasn't the higher points I don't think it would really matter. But in the past a loss would require ~2 wins to overcome. Here it's taking 4 wins to get back to starting.
If the 1st war would have been the 19/20 we are seeing then everything would essentially be fine. But it wasn't and that means at least 50% of alliances have an "unfair" point advantage.
I think that's the bigger issue. Either the 1st war was pointed wrong, or the mote recent ones were. Either way there is an issue that needs to be addressed, rather quickly. Either scrap the 1st war or scrap the season. If the season is scrapped last season rewards should be given.
Yup exactly what I’ve been saying. I’m curious to see t1-2 +/- points. I know t3 we have been getting 19/20.
I doubt anyone in t1-2 will post them.
I posted T1 numbers earlier in the thread. We have a K of 39 (e.g. +19/-20, +25/-14, +5/-34).
Technically you didn’t post the numbers you only stated they equal to 39. The ask was if someone would post screenshots of their +/-.
We have +22/-17 this war. Other T1 alliances this war range from +1/-38 to +33/-6.
This is something we have eyes on, hoping to have more info soon!
Any update to this?
Cancel war season and hand out rewards based on the previous season.
Is it effecting everyone? Honestly curious if you know
I'm pretty sure the points gained/lost is the same for everyone. Would be interested to see what T1 and Masters points look like.
I mean I'm sure everyone is getting reduced points for the win/loss. So that is "everyone". The problem is those alliances that LOST the first war. We can effectively say 50%. Those alliances are having a harder time bouncing back. If the first war wasn't the higher points I don't think it would really matter. But in the past a loss would require ~2 wins to overcome. Here it's taking 4 wins to get back to starting.
If the 1st war would have been the 19/20 we are seeing then everything would essentially be fine. But it wasn't and that means at least 50% of alliances have an "unfair" point advantage.
I think that's the bigger issue. Either the 1st war was pointed wrong, or the mote recent ones were. Either way there is an issue that needs to be addressed, rather quickly. Either scrap the 1st war or scrap the season. If the season is scrapped last season rewards should be given.
Yup exactly what I’ve been saying. I’m curious to see t1-2 +/- points. I know t3 we have been getting 19/20.
I doubt anyone in t1-2 will post them.
I posted T1 numbers earlier in the thread. We have a K of 39 (e.g. +19/-20, +25/-14, +5/-34).
Technically you didn’t post the numbers you only stated they equal to 39. The ask was if someone would post screenshots of their +/-.
We have +22/-17 this war. Other T1 alliances this war range from +1/-38 to +33/-6.
So post screenshots.....you can claim that. But I simply said I doubt any higher ranking alliances will show proof IE a screenshot. People can claim anything they want. But the silence of images is deafening.
We are trying to see if it is happening to everyone, or if this is a way to keep lower tiers from advancing.
The timing of the point drop is kind of puzzling. And with lack of hard evidence tin foil hat theories will take hold. One being that Kabam reduced t3 and down to keep those higher alliances happy amd solid in their placement.
As I previously mentioned, this was brought to our attention and is something we've been investigating.
The scoring system was adjusted in this AW season; this was not intentional and therefore is not a new norm. We have found the cause of the issue but will not be able to implement a change until the next season. While I know this has been frustrating, please be aware that the scoring issue is affecting all alliances equally, not just yours.
We are going to continue to monitor the impact of this change through the season and will reconvene afterwards to see what further action needs to be/can be taken.
As I previously mentioned, this was brought to our attention and is something we've been investigating.
The scoring system was adjusted in this AW season; this was not intentional and therefore is not a new norm. We have found the cause of the issue but will not be able to implement a change until the next season. While I know this has been frustrating, please be aware that the scoring issue is affecting all alliances equally, not just yours.
We are going to continue to monitor the impact of this change through the season and will reconvene afterwards to see what further action needs to be/can be taken.
On the one hand you have the fact that it affects everyone, but they are ignoring the low alliances that we must win twice as many wars to go up in category, my alliance as an example with 3 wins in a row we went up from grade 3 to 2, today as a result of this with 4 we are not even close to going up, so our multiplier is low and we cannot opt for better prizes even with this effort, and on the other side the high level alliances are not worried about losing, because now it takes them twice as many wars losses lose their multiplier and are quietly with their positions and grade. That is by no means fair. Why not finish the season earlier, launch the solution and have a fair season and not lose resources in this unfair way without qualifying for better prizes?
I enjoyed your reply. Calm, well thought out, clearly stated consequences and options. Very well written.
I agree. There is a sense of safety when you loose a war in that you won’t slide too far back in points. But at the same time, knowing that there is very little potential to advance in a win.
At this point, it would make sense to end the season as advancing and competition are pointless. In another 2 weeks. Unless you are right at the border of a reward tier, we’ll probably find that no one else has moved. Just wasted time.
As I previously mentioned, this was brought to our attention and is something we've been investigating.
The scoring system was adjusted in this AW season; this was not intentional and therefore is not a new norm. We have found the cause of the issue but will not be able to implement a change until the next season. While I know this has been frustrating, please be aware that the scoring issue is affecting all alliances equally, not just yours.
We are going to continue to monitor the impact of this change through the season and will reconvene afterwards to see what further action needs to be/can be taken.
It does not effect all alliances equally. It greatly benefits the alliances that started out in higher tiers because of the multipliers there is now way for lower tiered alliances to move up.
All the alliances that lost the first War of the season are at a disadvantage and therefore that war should not count then after that all the rest of the wars would be fair because that’s when the system went to 20 or -20 with a win or a loss. Fair is Fair. The season should continue if you can erase the first war of the season but since that’s when placement occurs then the season should be canceled and all scores should be returned to the way they where before season started!!!
While I know this has been frustrating, please be aware that the scoring issue is affecting all alliances equally, not just yours.
We are going to continue to monitor the impact of this change through the season and will reconvene afterwards to see what further action needs to be/can be taken.
Let's talk about that bolded word for a second.
Equally. Evenly. Regularly. Uniformly. Identically. Similarly. Just as. To the same extent. To the same degree. By the same token. In the same way. Likewise. Correspondingly.
Please tell us how the alliances that won their first war, when the points were how they were supposed to be, is equal to those that lost their first war. Please tell us how the alliance that lost their first war are equal to those that won their first war.
They aren't.
The alliances that lost their first war have to win twice as many just to not even break even. This was never the case. In previous seasons a first war of the season loss did not mean you couldn't overcome that loss. Now here it does. Those alliances that bounce between tiers and subsequently brackets are now guaranteed to place lower than they would have. And in most case lower than they ever have.
Last season my alliance placed G1, we have been there for the last 5 seasons. If we would have lost our first war we would have dropped a tier thus lowering our multiplier, thus lowering our season points, thus making it harder than it has ever been to stay G1. Luckily we won.
This issues doesn't affect us. Negatively, that is, in any way. In fact we are benefiting from it. But my old alliances and even a friends alliance, who have lost war 1, and won each war after, they are losing placent despite winning. They are dropping placement and one has dropped brackets.
You say you are going to monitor the impact through the remaining wars, and won't even address it till after the season. I'm sorry Jax, that's not a good way to do it. You guys have all the data points you need, all the affected players showing proof they are fighting a loosing season because of 1 war loss. You KNOW there is an issue even isolated the cause. And your course of action is to "let it play out"? No it should be to end this season. We have had seasons canceled for smaller issues than this. But this....an issue that is guaranteed to end with people placing out of their normal bracket, is ok to continue with?
Everyone who was T3/4/5. Everyone who was/is S1/2/3 G1/2/3 PLATINUM 1/2/3/4! Or super close to those and could have moved a tier. Those that lost war 1 now have no shot at moving up, when previously they could have. But those alliances don't matter right? You only matter and you're voice is only heard if your Masters and the top 3. Many of whom are know *carefully omitted word* alliances. So long as they maintain their placement all is fine.
It's disingenuous, and callous to say this affects everyone equally. Especially when numbers have shows it doesn't affect those that won war 1.
There has been issue after issue with a lackadaisical approach from the higher-ups and its been getting worse and worse. There needs to be a change.
Canceling the season and distribute rewards based on an the last season is the best course of action. That MIGHT have a negative impact on a handful of alliances. But letting it play WILL have a negative impact on 100 more handfuls.
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Moved tiers? The numbers shouldn’t matter as tiers just contain a certain amount of alliances, the first war was on old numbers system so that was confusing, but we haven’t moved tiers and I’m seeing a few people say they haven’t either
We are affected by this as well. We lost the first one (-50) and now won 3 times (+15 each).
We currently play Silver1 with 2 BGs.
Also - There are a lot of Discussions with the same topic...so probably a lot of people are affected by it.
It's going on for a week now.
@Kabam Jax: Is there an update?
Cancel war season and hand out rewards based on the previous season.
Now that its exposed some other problems Kabam acts like a deer in the headlights like every other time one of their improvements doesn't go well.
I mean I'm sure everyone is getting reduced points for the win/loss. So that is "everyone". The problem is those alliances that LOST the first war. We can effectively say 50%. Those alliances are having a harder time bouncing back. If the first war wasn't the higher points I don't think it would really matter. But in the past a loss would require ~2 wins to overcome. Here it's taking 4 wins to get back to starting.
If the 1st war would have been the 19/20 we are seeing then everything would essentially be fine. But it wasn't and that means at least 50% of alliances have an "unfair" point advantage.
I think that's the bigger issue. Either the 1st war was pointed wrong, or the mote recent ones were. Either way there is an issue that needs to be addressed, rather quickly. Either scrap the 1st war or scrap the season. If the season is scrapped last season rewards should be given.
We are trying to see if it is happening to everyone, or if this is a way to keep lower tiers from advancing.
The timing of the point drop is kind of puzzling. And with lack of hard evidence tin foil hat theories will take hold. One being that Kabam reduced t3 and down to keep those higher alliances happy amd solid in their placement.
As I previously mentioned, this was brought to our attention and is something we've been investigating.
The scoring system was adjusted in this AW season; this was not intentional and therefore is not a new norm. We have found the cause of the issue but will not be able to implement a change until the next season. While I know this has been frustrating, please be aware that the scoring issue is affecting all alliances equally, not just yours.
We are going to continue to monitor the impact of this change through the season and will reconvene afterwards to see what further action needs to be/can be taken.
I agree. There is a sense of safety when you loose a war in that you won’t slide too far back in points. But at the same time, knowing that there is very little potential to advance in a win.
At this point, it would make sense to end the season as advancing and competition are pointless. In another 2 weeks. Unless you are right at the border of a reward tier, we’ll probably find that no one else has moved. Just wasted time.
All the alliances that lost the first War of the season are at a disadvantage and therefore that war should not count then after that all the rest of the wars would be fair because that’s when the system went to 20 or -20 with a win or a loss. Fair is Fair. The season should continue if you can erase the first war of the season but since that’s when placement occurs then the season should be canceled and all scores should be returned to the way they where before season started!!!
Equally. Evenly. Regularly. Uniformly. Identically. Similarly. Just as. To the same extent. To the same degree. By the same token. In the same way. Likewise. Correspondingly.
Please tell us how the alliances that won their first war, when the points were how they were supposed to be, is equal to those that lost their first war. Please tell us how the alliance that lost their first war are equal to those that won their first war.
They aren't.
The alliances that lost their first war have to win twice as many just to not even break even. This was never the case. In previous seasons a first war of the season loss did not mean you couldn't overcome that loss. Now here it does. Those alliances that bounce between tiers and subsequently brackets are now guaranteed to place lower than they would have. And in most case lower than they ever have.
Last season my alliance placed G1, we have been there for the last 5 seasons. If we would have lost our first war we would have dropped a tier thus lowering our multiplier, thus lowering our season points, thus making it harder than it has ever been to stay G1. Luckily we won.
This issues doesn't affect us. Negatively, that is, in any way. In fact we are benefiting from it. But my old alliances and even a friends alliance, who have lost war 1, and won each war after, they are losing placent despite winning. They are dropping placement and one has dropped brackets.
You say you are going to monitor the impact through the remaining wars, and won't even address it till after the season. I'm sorry Jax, that's not a good way to do it. You guys have all the data points you need, all the affected players showing proof they are fighting a loosing season because of 1 war loss. You KNOW there is an issue even isolated the cause. And your course of action is to "let it play out"? No it should be to end this season. We have had seasons canceled for smaller issues than this. But this....an issue that is guaranteed to end with people placing out of their normal bracket, is ok to continue with?
Everyone who was T3/4/5.
Everyone who was/is S1/2/3 G1/2/3 PLATINUM 1/2/3/4!
Or super close to those and could have moved a tier. Those that lost war 1 now have no shot at moving up, when previously they could have. But those alliances don't matter right? You only matter and you're voice is only heard if your Masters and the top 3. Many of whom are know *carefully omitted word* alliances. So long as they maintain their placement all is fine.
It's disingenuous, and callous to say this affects everyone equally. Especially when numbers have shows it doesn't affect those that won war 1.
There has been issue after issue with a lackadaisical approach from the higher-ups and its been getting worse and worse. There needs to be a change.
Canceling the season and distribute rewards based on an the last season is the best course of action. That MIGHT have a negative impact on a handful of alliances. But letting it play WILL have a negative impact on 100 more handfuls.
I'll take my forum ban for speaking negative.