Ultimately this is a competitive game mode; it's essentially a race to the top, for the best rewards. The best players and the best rosters will perform the best: the big rosters can cover a lack of skill just by having a bit more juice and when you combine a big roster with good skills you've got your elite players competing around the Celestial brackets.
I do think that this game mode would benefit a bit from some form of seeding so that our more junior players can have a bit more of a positive experience but ultimately if you wish to progress in the mode you do have to beat the accounts in front of you.
I have a decent deck, 6 R4s and the rest are R3 which probably puts me in the top 20% in terms of competitive players, but it puts me well inside the bottom 50% of players competing for Mysterium and above. Everyday I was playing players with far better rosters than my own - harder defenders, higher sig levels, higher ranks - some I lost to, many I beat. I eventually clawed my way to Mysterium 1 (which I'm very proud of), and along that way I also lost to players with worse rosters than my own who were simply better than me, at least over those 3 rounds.
In my desire to get the top ranks should I be able to avoid everybody with 10+ R4s because they have a huge advantage over me? I don't think so really, I'm also sure that those players that I'd dodge would probably be sat there wondering why they're never able to get a break.
My proposal would be seeding based on the previous season and to an extent, title progression: Uncollected - Bronze III Cavalier - Silver III Thronebreaker - Gold III Gladiator Circuit (irrelevant of title) - Platinum III
This would stop tiny accounts getting totally bullied by the serious players at the start but ultimately when our little uncollected player reaches Silver III he's going to start matching Cavaliers as well and will have to beat them to reach the next ranks and if he can't well, that's his level, and so on. It'd spread things out and make it less energy intensive to reach the Gladiator Circuit for the serious players which is a real grind.
Anybody in any tier should be randomly matched against anyone else. As an example, if two people are in platinum 2 then why should a summoner with 4* get a break and not face tougher teams while someone with 6* gets a harder matchup. They are both going for advancement to the next level.
Anybody in any tier should be randomly matched against anyone else. As an example, if two people are in platinum 2 then why should a summoner with 4* get a break and not face tougher teams while someone with 6* gets a harder matchup. They are both going for advancement to the next level.
It's one thing to give them harder match ups (which I definitely agree with) and another to give them impossible to win match ups. Sandbagging makes it impossible for the weaker player to win no matter what they do. No competition in the world will let you compete against a team or opponent that's miles below you for a reason why are you people still trying to argue against this lol I really don't get it.
Every football cup in the world says otherwise. In the FA cup non-league clubs have come up against Premier league sides and have in some cases won. In order for those non-league teams to progress they have to beat progressively harder and harder opponents. The only difference is that these cups are seeded so you only get the premier league sides in the 3rd round. By that point the non-league sides will have played 8 - I think - matches to get that far, why should that non-league side be able to skip playing Arsenal to get to the 4th round because it'd be unfair?
Anybody in any tier should be randomly matched against anyone else. As an example, if two people are in platinum 2 then why should a summoner with 4* get a break and not face tougher teams while someone with 6* gets a harder matchup. They are both going for advancement to the next level.
Anybody in any tier should be randomly matched against anyone else. As an example, if two people are in platinum 2 then why should a summoner with 4* get a break and not face tougher teams while someone with 6* gets a harder matchup. They are both going for advancement to the next level.
It's one thing to give them harder match ups (which I definitely agree with) and another to give them impossible to win match ups. Sandbagging makes it impossible for the weaker player to win no matter what they do. No competition in the world will let you compete against a team or opponent that's miles below you for a reason why are you people still trying to argue against this lol I really don't get it.
Every football cup in the world says otherwise. In the FA cup non-league clubs have come up against Premier league sides and have in some cases won. In order for those non-league teams to progress they have to beat progressively harder and harder opponents. The only difference is that these cups are seeded so you only get the premier league sides in the 3rd round. By that point the non-league sides will have played 8 - I think - matches to get that far, why should that non-league side be able to skip playing Arsenal to get to the 4th round because it'd be unfair?
They rarely win against PL teams, only when PL teams use reserves and U21 / U18 players… Everyone knows this, cannot be compared.
Just an uncollected who was just doing BG/Arena for the time being because all i get from 5 star crystals are Iron Fist and Yellow Jacket. After hitting gold 2 and Using all my 900 Elder Mark's just to finish for the season I just realized that every match from those 900 Elder Mark's I was either queued up with a thronebreaker whose deck is 15 6 stars and 15 1 stars or someone who one shots the only decent unit i've got after playing the game for 3 months which is a BWCV with a 1 star deadpool. The concept is good, the rewards also it gives someone in my position who keeps getting sht characters a chance to play the game. But please fix the matchmaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DEPRESSING, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 18K THE THING WITH A DECK THAT CONSIST OF 4 R4 5STAR AND 26 2K RATING CHAMPION?
Had the same issues as you and I'm uncollected as well. I advice you don't use any 5* use only your 4*, I was stuck on gold 2 for weeks so I removed the few 5* I had and filled my deck only with 4*. I started getting matched with more uncollected players and I made it to platinum 2.
Also, they did say they're going to keep making changes to the matchmaking cause they want to prevent sandbagging so maybe next season there will be some changes.
I just did, and i was still matched vs 6 stars. god damn this BG is fun.
Just keep trying only with 4*, you'll get matched with less sandbaggers than if you used 5*. Now, you'll still get matched with a few here in there cause that's inevitable but at least it won't be every single match.
Isn’t this a form of sandbagging lol
I don't think I call it sandbagging, but it is 100% manipulation of his roster to get easier matchups. By using only 4*s, he's trying to matchup against very new players which can creat ea different ethical or spirit of the game argument about a veteran player manipulating his roster to take advantage of noobs for easier wins.
I'm not against this strategy as I'm a firm believer that pi and prestige shouldn't even be a factor in matchmaking when competing for same rewards, however, I find it hilarious that clober is constantly complaining about stronger players manipulation of their rosters to fight weaker players like him, but he is doing a very similar thing.
Trying to matchup against very new players? Mate were you dropped as a child? I literally said I filled my deck with 4* so I could play against people with 4* decks too, not "very new players". I also don't know where you got the "veteran player" from because I just became uncollected a couple weeks ago.
The only reason you aren't against it is because you sandbag, and you want to keep sandbagging, too bad they already said they're changing matchmaking again so you're just gonna have to take those Ls along with the rest of the Paragon sandbaggers. What's hilarious is that you lack the brain cells to understand the difference between throwing a bunch on 1* and 6* in your deck (sandbagger) to face people who barely have 5*, and using only 4* in your deck to stop facing sandbaggers and instead face people who are also using only 4* like you.
Out of curiosity, how come every time you reply to one of my posts you feel the need to throw insults and name calling? You do know such conduct is a violation of forums tos, correct?
Cause it's getting annoying having to explain the difference to you again and again, it's like talking to a wall. Not to mention the fact that you're obsessed for whatever reason, it's been three weeks man move on, sandbagging is getting removed and no amount of complaining from you and the rest of Paragons will change that, cope
For the record, you talk about lack of comprehension but should really look in the mirror. Go back through my posts and see when I've ever said sandbagging is okay or ever said I sandbag?
I haven't because I have done it, you just assumed that because I haven't agreed with your flawed arguments. Instead of comprehending what ive said, you get defensive and go straight to inappropriate name calling and insults each time.
I am not for sandbagging and I'm also not against, the reason being is it should be completely irrelevant. I firmly believe that in a competitive game mode where everyone is going for same rewards in a tier system then everyone in that tier should potentially face each other and pi and prestige should be completely irrelevant, which would make sandbagging irrelevant.
Meaning, anyone in gold 1 for example should face anyone, despite their pi, also in gold 1. This would make roster manipulation, to include sandbagging, irrelevant. There is no reason why weaker players should get free pass to easier fights when going for same rewards.
Just an uncollected who was just doing BG/Arena for the time being because all i get from 5 star crystals are Iron Fist and Yellow Jacket. After hitting gold 2 and Using all my 900 Elder Mark's just to finish for the season I just realized that every match from those 900 Elder Mark's I was either queued up with a thronebreaker whose deck is 15 6 stars and 15 1 stars or someone who one shots the only decent unit i've got after playing the game for 3 months which is a BWCV with a 1 star deadpool. The concept is good, the rewards also it gives someone in my position who keeps getting sht characters a chance to play the game. But please fix the matchmaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DEPRESSING, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 18K THE THING WITH A DECK THAT CONSIST OF 4 R4 5STAR AND 26 2K RATING CHAMPION?
Had the same issues as you and I'm uncollected as well. I advice you don't use any 5* use only your 4*, I was stuck on gold 2 for weeks so I removed the few 5* I had and filled my deck only with 4*. I started getting matched with more uncollected players and I made it to platinum 2.
Also, they did say they're going to keep making changes to the matchmaking cause they want to prevent sandbagging so maybe next season there will be some changes.
I thought manipulating your roster to get easier match-ups was cheating? What happened to playing your best roster possible?
No no no. DONT bring your twisted to make your narrative work logic in here. There’s a difference in using an all 4* deck and sandbagging by putting 15 6*s and 15 2*s and you know it.
Playing a lower roster to face easer match-ups is sandbagging. Sorry that it doesn't fit your narrative.
It's just nice to see so many showing their true colors. "Roster manipulation in the way I do it is good, roster manipulation in the way others do it is bad!"
Just an uncollected who was just doing BG/Arena for the time being because all i get from 5 star crystals are Iron Fist and Yellow Jacket. After hitting gold 2 and Using all my 900 Elder Mark's just to finish for the season I just realized that every match from those 900 Elder Mark's I was either queued up with a thronebreaker whose deck is 15 6 stars and 15 1 stars or someone who one shots the only decent unit i've got after playing the game for 3 months which is a BWCV with a 1 star deadpool. The concept is good, the rewards also it gives someone in my position who keeps getting sht characters a chance to play the game. But please fix the matchmaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DEPRESSING, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 18K THE THING WITH A DECK THAT CONSIST OF 4 R4 5STAR AND 26 2K RATING CHAMPION?
Had the same issues as you and I'm uncollected as well. I advice you don't use any 5* use only your 4*, I was stuck on gold 2 for weeks so I removed the few 5* I had and filled my deck only with 4*. I started getting matched with more uncollected players and I made it to platinum 2.
Also, they did say they're going to keep making changes to the matchmaking cause they want to prevent sandbagging so maybe next season there will be some changes.
I thought manipulating your roster to get easier match-ups was cheating? What happened to playing your best roster possible?
Who said I did it to get easier matchups? You two seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. It's one thing to load up 15 maxed out 6* and 15 1* to verse someone with 5 rank 4 5* and absolutely destroy them because all you need is four drafts out of those 15 and there's not a single thing your opponent can do, and it's another to load out all 4* to dodge the same sandbaggers I'm talking about but still getting fair matches against other people with 4* decks that way no harm is being done. You can't possibly be this dense to not see the difference my guy. Also, I never said anything about "using your best roster possible" I just said stop exploiting the flaws in matchmaking that allow you to face someone who is miles below you and has no chance of winning, you're just making up stuff at this point
You did, lol. You couldn't win using your best deck so you changed your deck to manipulate the matchmaking to give easier matches. Sounds like sandbagging to me.
I’ve read through this whole thread and… I have notes.
@ItsClobberinTime I get feeling frustrated, but you’ll never win anybody over by insulting them. If you find yourself getting angry with an argument on the forums, you’re better off just logging off for a bit.
@Chatterofforums I’d agree that running a deck of 4* only is not sandbagging but is deck manipulation. Sandbagging (in this context) meaning trying to get your high rank champions into a matchup against an opponent who can’t possibly beat them, whereas running only 4*s won’t give you a roster advantage but (depending on the skill and experience of the player) will likely result in an experience advantage. For the specific case of ClobberinTime being themselves a relatively recently minted Uncollected player, I don’t see this form of manipulation being likely to create any unfair matchups with this particular player. And if it’s being done specifically to avoid high-level sandbagging account matchups, I understand the motivation.
It would be wrong for somebody like me to do it, as I’d have a huge experience advantage as a Paragon (or even a Thronebreaker or Cavalier) player over a new Uncollected player. The specifics very much matter for this type of roster tinkering. I don’t hate it in this specific instance, but would not be supportive of it in general. It would be better to solve the sandbagging problem so these secondary forms of deck manipulation don’t seem necessary to lower level players.
Finally, I really want to dispel this idea that all players are competing for the same rewards. We’re not. My 10,000 trophy tokens will buy resources of far greater value than Clobberin’s will. And yes, I’ve heard arguments about hoarding tokens until you reach a higher progression level, but those concerns don’t really make sense when applied to reality. If when I was Uncollected making my way towards Cavalier, I was told I could have a 6* crystal today or five of them once I reach Paragon, I’d say give me the crystal today. It wouldn’t make sense to wait that long, and not taking the reward today would make the wait even longer. Hoarding for progression levels is a bad idea (unless you are currently on the cusp of one).
I’ve read through this whole thread and… I have notes.
@ItsClobberinTime I get feeling frustrated, but you’ll never win anybody over by insulting them. If you find yourself getting angry with an argument on the forums, you’re better off just logging off for a bit.
@Chatterofforums I’d agree that running a deck of 4* only is not sandbagging but is deck manipulation. Sandbagging (in this context) meaning trying to get your high rank champions into a matchup against an opponent who can’t possibly beat them, whereas running only 4*s won’t give you a roster advantage but (depending on the skill and experience of the player) will likely result in an experience advantage. For the specific case of ClobberinTime being themselves a relatively recently minted Uncollected player, I don’t see this form of manipulation being likely to create any unfair matchups with this particular player. And if it’s being done specifically to avoid high-level sandbagging account matchups, I understand the motivation.
It would be wrong for somebody like me to do it, as I’d have a huge experience advantage as a Paragon (or even a Thronebreaker or Cavalier) player over a new Uncollected player. The specifics very much matter for this type of roster tinkering. I don’t hate it in this specific instance, but would not be supportive of it in general. It would be better to solve the sandbagging problem so these secondary forms of deck manipulation don’t seem necessary to lower level players.
Finally, I really want to dispel this idea that all players are competing for the same rewards. We’re not. My 10,000 trophy tokens will buy resources of far greater value than Clobberin’s will. And yes, I’ve heard arguments about hoarding tokens until you reach a higher progression level, but those concerns don’t really make sense when applied to reality. If when I was Uncollected making my way towards Cavalier, I was told I could have a 6* crystal today or five of them once I reach Paragon, I’d say give me the crystal today. It wouldn’t make sense to wait that long, and not taking the reward today would make the wait even longer. Hoarding for progression levels is a bad idea (unless you are currently on the cusp of one).
Fair assessment and summary and I agree with most of what you said but will do a minor challenge on one part. Fair point on maybe we are or maybe we're are not competing for same rewards in BG based on progression levels, but two counter arguments.
First, we will see a great example of different progression levels coming up on cyber weekend. There is an enormous change in what items you can get for the price of an Odin based on progression levels. Does Kabam change the pricing for lower titles player since they are getting less technical value for same money. Meaning, it's been accepted that those with lower titles will get less bang for their buck at times for same money or effort as higher tier title players. Meaning based on this example, we are competing for same rewards based on philosophy that has long been adapted by kabam.
Second challenge to your argument that we are not competing for same rewards is really in gladiator circuit. I'll ig ore victory circuit other than my minor point above but I cannot ignore this in gladiator circuit as we are literally competing for same rewards. I've seen dozens of complaints by players who honestly have a roster that wouldn't be close to gladiator circuit if pi wasn't so strongly taken into consideration in victory circuit complaining that they are getting too hard matchups in gladiator circuit.
I can live with what they are doing in victory currently (don't fully agree with it but can live with it) but many low players want pi to factor in gladiator circuit. This would allow much weaker players to take much better rewards on ranking than much strong players, very similar to the cluster that happened back when they tried that approach in AW a couple years ago.
I’ve read through this whole thread and… I have notes.
@ItsClobberinTime I get feeling frustrated, but you’ll never win anybody over by insulting them. If you find yourself getting angry with an argument on the forums, you’re better off just logging off for a bit.
@Chatterofforums I’d agree that running a deck of 4* only is not sandbagging but is deck manipulation. Sandbagging (in this context) meaning trying to get your high rank champions into a matchup against an opponent who can’t possibly beat them, whereas running only 4*s won’t give you a roster advantage but (depending on the skill and experience of the player) will likely result in an experience advantage. For the specific case of ClobberinTime being themselves a relatively recently minted Uncollected player, I don’t see this form of manipulation being likely to create any unfair matchups with this particular player. And if it’s being done specifically to avoid high-level sandbagging account matchups, I understand the motivation.
It would be wrong for somebody like me to do it, as I’d have a huge experience advantage as a Paragon (or even a Thronebreaker or Cavalier) player over a new Uncollected player. The specifics very much matter for this type of roster tinkering. I don’t hate it in this specific instance, but would not be supportive of it in general. It would be better to solve the sandbagging problem so these secondary forms of deck manipulation don’t seem necessary to lower level players.
Finally, I really want to dispel this idea that all players are competing for the same rewards. We’re not. My 10,000 trophy tokens will buy resources of far greater value than Clobberin’s will. And yes, I’ve heard arguments about hoarding tokens until you reach a higher progression level, but those concerns don’t really make sense when applied to reality. If when I was Uncollected making my way towards Cavalier, I was told I could have a 6* crystal today or five of them once I reach Paragon, I’d say give me the crystal today. It wouldn’t make sense to wait that long, and not taking the reward today would make the wait even longer. Hoarding for progression levels is a bad idea (unless you are currently on the cusp of one).
Fair assessment and summary and I agree with most of what you said but will do a minor challenge on one part. Fair point on maybe we are or maybe we're are not competing for same rewards in BG based on progression levels, but two counter arguments.
First, we will see a great example of different progression levels coming up on cyber weekend. There is an enormous change in what items you can get for the price of an Odin based on progression levels. Does Kabam change the pricing for lower titles player since they are getting less technical value for same money. Meaning, it's been accepted that those with lower titles will get less bang for their buck at times for same money or effort as higher tier title players. Meaning based on this example, we are competing for same rewards based on philosophy that has long been adapted by kabam.
Second challenge to your argument that we are not competing for same rewards is really in gladiator circuit. I'll ig ore victory circuit other than my minor point above but I cannot ignore this in gladiator circuit as we are literally competing for same rewards. I've seen dozens of complaints by players who honestly have a roster that wouldn't be close to gladiator circuit if pi wasn't so strongly taken into consideration in victory circuit complaining that they are getting too hard matchups in gladiator circuit.
I can live with what they are doing in victory currently (don't fully agree with it but can live with it) but many low players want pi to factor in gladiator circuit. This would allow much weaker players to take much better rewards on ranking than much strong players, very similar to the cluster that happened back when they tried that approach in AW a couple years ago.
I’d hesitate to compare Battlegrounds rewards scaling to Cyber Weekend scaling for a number of reasons. Those deals are less a question of the absolute value of what is being sold and more a question of “is this worth it *to me* specifically?” I wouldn’t spend a single dollar for a 5* champion of my choice in this game right now, but for a Proven or Conqueror or Uncollected, that’d be an incredible deal. Because that 5* would then let me carve through other content that would get me more and better rewards. This further proves my point that my use of the currency and an Uncollected’s use of the currency are very different.
Additionally, we aren’t competing for those deals. Me purchasing a deal does not prevent or delay another person from doing so. I just don’t think deals are a valid comparison to content rewards.
Gladiator Circuit is where things get interesting. I haven’t seen much sandbagging taking place there, however. Because eventually you have to fight bigger accounts, and if you come up to that matchup with half a deck, you’re gonna get rolled. You are right that once you get above Uru III, you are actively competing with other players, but I’d argue that the matchmaking in the Gladiator’s Circuit (due to its limited pool of players and rating based nature) operates differently enough to start solving the problem on its own as players try to climb.
Anybody in any tier should be randomly matched against anyone else. As an example, if two people are in platinum 2 then why should a summoner with 4* get a break and not face tougher teams while someone with 6* gets a harder matchup. They are both going for advancement to the next level.
Anybody in any tier should be randomly matched against anyone else. As an example, if two people are in platinum 2 then why should a summoner with 4* get a break and not face tougher teams while someone with 6* gets a harder matchup. They are both going for advancement to the next level.
It's one thing to give them harder match ups (which I definitely agree with) and another to give them impossible to win match ups. Sandbagging makes it impossible for the weaker player to win no matter what they do. No competition in the world will let you compete against a team or opponent that's miles below you for a reason why are you people still trying to argue against this lol I really don't get it.
Every football cup in the world says otherwise. In the FA cup non-league clubs have come up against Premier league sides and have in some cases won. In order for those non-league teams to progress they have to beat progressively harder and harder opponents. The only difference is that these cups are seeded so you only get the premier league sides in the 3rd round. By that point the non-league sides will have played 8 - I think - matches to get that far, why should that non-league side be able to skip playing Arsenal to get to the 4th round because it'd be unfair?
That's not a proper comparison, those football teams had a chance. If you read my comment I very clearly said there's nothing wrong with getting harder opponents, what's wrong is getting opponents you stand no chance against no matter what. A proper comparison would be the US' U18 Men's National Team playing a match against Brazil in the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Would that be allowed? Obviously not. Like I said, it's one thing to get harder match ups, and another to get an opponent you can't beat no matter what cause they're miles above you.
Just an uncollected who was just doing BG/Arena for the time being because all i get from 5 star crystals are Iron Fist and Yellow Jacket. After hitting gold 2 and Using all my 900 Elder Mark's just to finish for the season I just realized that every match from those 900 Elder Mark's I was either queued up with a thronebreaker whose deck is 15 6 stars and 15 1 stars or someone who one shots the only decent unit i've got after playing the game for 3 months which is a BWCV with a 1 star deadpool. The concept is good, the rewards also it gives someone in my position who keeps getting sht characters a chance to play the game. But please fix the matchmaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DEPRESSING, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 18K THE THING WITH A DECK THAT CONSIST OF 4 R4 5STAR AND 26 2K RATING CHAMPION?
Had the same issues as you and I'm uncollected as well. I advice you don't use any 5* use only your 4*, I was stuck on gold 2 for weeks so I removed the few 5* I had and filled my deck only with 4*. I started getting matched with more uncollected players and I made it to platinum 2.
Also, they did say they're going to keep making changes to the matchmaking cause they want to prevent sandbagging so maybe next season there will be some changes.
I just did, and i was still matched vs 6 stars. god damn this BG is fun.
Just keep trying only with 4*, you'll get matched with less sandbaggers than if you used 5*. Now, you'll still get matched with a few here in there cause that's inevitable but at least it won't be every single match.
Isn’t this a form of sandbagging lol
I don't think I call it sandbagging, but it is 100% manipulation of his roster to get easier matchups. By using only 4*s, he's trying to matchup against very new players which can creat ea different ethical or spirit of the game argument about a veteran player manipulating his roster to take advantage of noobs for easier wins.
I'm not against this strategy as I'm a firm believer that pi and prestige shouldn't even be a factor in matchmaking when competing for same rewards, however, I find it hilarious that clober is constantly complaining about stronger players manipulation of their rosters to fight weaker players like him, but he is doing a very similar thing.
Trying to matchup against very new players? Mate were you dropped as a child? I literally said I filled my deck with 4* so I could play against people with 4* decks too, not "very new players". I also don't know where you got the "veteran player" from because I just became uncollected a couple weeks ago.
The only reason you aren't against it is because you sandbag, and you want to keep sandbagging, too bad they already said they're changing matchmaking again so you're just gonna have to take those Ls along with the rest of the Paragon sandbaggers. What's hilarious is that you lack the brain cells to understand the difference between throwing a bunch on 1* and 6* in your deck (sandbagger) to face people who barely have 5*, and using only 4* in your deck to stop facing sandbaggers and instead face people who are also using only 4* like you.
Out of curiosity, how come every time you reply to one of my posts you feel the need to throw insults and name calling? You do know such conduct is a violation of forums tos, correct?
Cause it's getting annoying having to explain the difference to you again and again, it's like talking to a wall. Not to mention the fact that you're obsessed for whatever reason, it's been three weeks man move on, sandbagging is getting removed and no amount of complaining from you and the rest of Paragons will change that, cope
For the record, you talk about lack of comprehension but should really look in the mirror. Go back through my posts and see when I've ever said sandbagging is okay or ever said I sandbag?
I haven't because I have done it, you just assumed that because I haven't agreed with your flawed arguments. Instead of comprehending what ive said, you get defensive and go straight to inappropriate name calling and insults each time.
I am not for sandbagging and I'm also not against, the reason being is it should be completely irrelevant. I firmly believe that in a competitive game mode where everyone is going for same rewards in a tier system then everyone in that tier should potentially face each other and pi and prestige should be completely irrelevant, which would make sandbagging irrelevant.
Meaning, anyone in gold 1 for example should face anyone, despite their pi, also in gold 1. This would make roster manipulation, to include sandbagging, irrelevant. There is no reason why weaker players should get free pass to easier fights when going for same rewards.
Dude lmao it's obvious you sandbag, the fact that you get triggered every time you see someone complain about sandbagging proves it. Sorry, can't talk your way out of that one. If you didn't think sandbagging was okay and didn't do it you wouldn't come up to people with your passive aggressive comments telling them to stop complaining like you did with me the first time I made a post on the forums.
If there's so many flaws why haven't you said anything of substance. My arguments are so flawed yet all you do is repeat the same "you admitted you sandbag by using only 4* ree" when you know it's not the same as sandbagging, you just keep trying to find a way to get back at me for whatever reason and continue to fail.
You think a Paragon player should be allowed to face an Uncollected player? In a competitive mode? Talk about flawed arguments.
Weaker plays don't get a free pass but stronger ones do? Lol if you want weaker players to not get a "free pass" then why not just make it so only your top 15 champions are taken into account when matching you with an opponent? That way there's a chance a weaker player will still face harder opponents but not harder to the point there's not a thing they can do to win.
I’ve read through this whole thread and… I have notes.
@ItsClobberinTime I get feeling frustrated, but you’ll never win anybody over by insulting them. If you find yourself getting angry with an argument on the forums, you’re better off just logging off for a bit.
@Chatterofforums I’d agree that running a deck of 4* only is not sandbagging but is deck manipulation. Sandbagging (in this context) meaning trying to get your high rank champions into a matchup against an opponent who can’t possibly beat them, whereas running only 4*s won’t give you a roster advantage but (depending on the skill and experience of the player) will likely result in an experience advantage. For the specific case of ClobberinTime being themselves a relatively recently minted Uncollected player, I don’t see this form of manipulation being likely to create any unfair matchups with this particular player. And if it’s being done specifically to avoid high-level sandbagging account matchups, I understand the motivation.
It would be wrong for somebody like me to do it, as I’d have a huge experience advantage as a Paragon (or even a Thronebreaker or Cavalier) player over a new Uncollected player. The specifics very much matter for this type of roster tinkering. I don’t hate it in this specific instance, but would not be supportive of it in general. It would be better to solve the sandbagging problem so these secondary forms of deck manipulation don’t seem necessary to lower level players.
Finally, I really want to dispel this idea that all players are competing for the same rewards. We’re not. My 10,000 trophy tokens will buy resources of far greater value than Clobberin’s will. And yes, I’ve heard arguments about hoarding tokens until you reach a higher progression level, but those concerns don’t really make sense when applied to reality. If when I was Uncollected making my way towards Cavalier, I was told I could have a 6* crystal today or five of them once I reach Paragon, I’d say give me the crystal today. It wouldn’t make sense to wait that long, and not taking the reward today would make the wait even longer. Hoarding for progression levels is a bad idea (unless you are currently on the cusp of one).
Who says I'm trying to win? I was just here stating my opinion and giving advice to someone who had the same issues as me and that guy showed up with the same passive aggressive comments as per usual. Thank you for your advice but I reply to people as I see fit, hence I haven't insulted anybody else on the forums.
Just an uncollected who was just doing BG/Arena for the time being because all i get from 5 star crystals are Iron Fist and Yellow Jacket. After hitting gold 2 and Using all my 900 Elder Mark's just to finish for the season I just realized that every match from those 900 Elder Mark's I was either queued up with a thronebreaker whose deck is 15 6 stars and 15 1 stars or someone who one shots the only decent unit i've got after playing the game for 3 months which is a BWCV with a 1 star deadpool. The concept is good, the rewards also it gives someone in my position who keeps getting sht characters a chance to play the game. But please fix the matchmaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DEPRESSING, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 18K THE THING WITH A DECK THAT CONSIST OF 4 R4 5STAR AND 26 2K RATING CHAMPION?
Had the same issues as you and I'm uncollected as well. I advice you don't use any 5* use only your 4*, I was stuck on gold 2 for weeks so I removed the few 5* I had and filled my deck only with 4*. I started getting matched with more uncollected players and I made it to platinum 2.
Also, they did say they're going to keep making changes to the matchmaking cause they want to prevent sandbagging so maybe next season there will be some changes.
I thought manipulating your roster to get easier match-ups was cheating? What happened to playing your best roster possible?
Who said I did it to get easier matchups? You two seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. It's one thing to load up 15 maxed out 6* and 15 1* to verse someone with 5 rank 4 5* and absolutely destroy them because all you need is four drafts out of those 15 and there's not a single thing your opponent can do, and it's another to load out all 4* to dodge the same sandbaggers I'm talking about but still getting fair matches against other people with 4* decks that way no harm is being done. You can't possibly be this dense to not see the difference my guy. Also, I never said anything about "using your best roster possible" I just said stop exploiting the flaws in matchmaking that allow you to face someone who is miles below you and has no chance of winning, you're just making up stuff at this point
You did, lol. You couldn't win using your best deck so you changed your deck to manipulate the matchmaking to give easier matches. Sounds like sandbagging to me.
So not only do you not understand the term sandbagging but you also don't realize that I'm not getting any advantages by using a 4* deck cause I'm going to be facing people with 4* decks too. Sandbagging is lowering your rating to get opponents weaker than you for easy wins, that's not what I'm doing here because I'm facing people with the same deck strength so it's not an easy win, and because I'm not getting opponents weaker than me it's not sandbagging. Keep trying to grasp straws, I know what you and that other guy are trying to do and it's not going to work lol
Just an uncollected who was just doing BG/Arena for the time being because all i get from 5 star crystals are Iron Fist and Yellow Jacket. After hitting gold 2 and Using all my 900 Elder Mark's just to finish for the season I just realized that every match from those 900 Elder Mark's I was either queued up with a thronebreaker whose deck is 15 6 stars and 15 1 stars or someone who one shots the only decent unit i've got after playing the game for 3 months which is a BWCV with a 1 star deadpool. The concept is good, the rewards also it gives someone in my position who keeps getting sht characters a chance to play the game. But please fix the matchmaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DEPRESSING, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 18K THE THING WITH A DECK THAT CONSIST OF 4 R4 5STAR AND 26 2K RATING CHAMPION?
Had the same issues as you and I'm uncollected as well. I advice you don't use any 5* use only your 4*, I was stuck on gold 2 for weeks so I removed the few 5* I had and filled my deck only with 4*. I started getting matched with more uncollected players and I made it to platinum 2.
Also, they did say they're going to keep making changes to the matchmaking cause they want to prevent sandbagging so maybe next season there will be some changes.
I thought manipulating your roster to get easier match-ups was cheating? What happened to playing your best roster possible?
Who said I did it to get easier matchups? You two seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. It's one thing to load up 15 maxed out 6* and 15 1* to verse someone with 5 rank 4 5* and absolutely destroy them because all you need is four drafts out of those 15 and there's not a single thing your opponent can do, and it's another to load out all 4* to dodge the same sandbaggers I'm talking about but still getting fair matches against other people with 4* decks that way no harm is being done. You can't possibly be this dense to not see the difference my guy. Also, I never said anything about "using your best roster possible" I just said stop exploiting the flaws in matchmaking that allow you to face someone who is miles below you and has no chance of winning, you're just making up stuff at this point
You did, lol. You couldn't win using your best deck so you changed your deck to manipulate the matchmaking to give easier matches. Sounds like sandbagging to me.
So not only do you not understand the term sandbagging but you also don't realize that I'm not getting any advantages by using a 4* deck cause I'm going to be facing people with 4* decks too. Sandbagging is lowering your rating to get opponents weaker than you for easy wins, that's not what I'm doing here because I'm facing people with the same deck strength so it's not an easy win, and because I'm not getting opponents weaker than me it's not sandbagging. Keep trying to grasp straws, I know what you and that other guy are trying to do and it's not going to work lol
Yeah, you totally didn't gain an advantage by manipulating your deck to play new players who's best deck is all 4*. Good argument!
Just an uncollected who was just doing BG/Arena for the time being because all i get from 5 star crystals are Iron Fist and Yellow Jacket. After hitting gold 2 and Using all my 900 Elder Mark's just to finish for the season I just realized that every match from those 900 Elder Mark's I was either queued up with a thronebreaker whose deck is 15 6 stars and 15 1 stars or someone who one shots the only decent unit i've got after playing the game for 3 months which is a BWCV with a 1 star deadpool. The concept is good, the rewards also it gives someone in my position who keeps getting sht characters a chance to play the game. But please fix the matchmaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DEPRESSING, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 18K THE THING WITH A DECK THAT CONSIST OF 4 R4 5STAR AND 26 2K RATING CHAMPION?
Had the same issues as you and I'm uncollected as well. I advice you don't use any 5* use only your 4*, I was stuck on gold 2 for weeks so I removed the few 5* I had and filled my deck only with 4*. I started getting matched with more uncollected players and I made it to platinum 2.
Also, they did say they're going to keep making changes to the matchmaking cause they want to prevent sandbagging so maybe next season there will be some changes.
I thought manipulating your roster to get easier match-ups was cheating? What happened to playing your best roster possible?
Who said I did it to get easier matchups? You two seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. It's one thing to load up 15 maxed out 6* and 15 1* to verse someone with 5 rank 4 5* and absolutely destroy them because all you need is four drafts out of those 15 and there's not a single thing your opponent can do, and it's another to load out all 4* to dodge the same sandbaggers I'm talking about but still getting fair matches against other people with 4* decks that way no harm is being done. You can't possibly be this dense to not see the difference my guy. Also, I never said anything about "using your best roster possible" I just said stop exploiting the flaws in matchmaking that allow you to face someone who is miles below you and has no chance of winning, you're just making up stuff at this point
You did, lol. You couldn't win using your best deck so you changed your deck to manipulate the matchmaking to give easier matches. Sounds like sandbagging to me.
So not only do you not understand the term sandbagging but you also don't realize that I'm not getting any advantages by using a 4* deck cause I'm going to be facing people with 4* decks too. Sandbagging is lowering your rating to get opponents weaker than you for easy wins, that's not what I'm doing here because I'm facing people with the same deck strength so it's not an easy win, and because I'm not getting opponents weaker than me it's not sandbagging. Keep trying to grasp straws, I know what you and that other guy are trying to do and it's not going to work lol
Yeah, you totally didn't gain an advantage by manipulating your deck to play new players who's best deck is all 4*. Good argument!
What new players my dude. BGs is only open to Uncollected and above. Clobberin has stated he only recently became uncollected a couple weeks ago. He *is* the new player you’re concerned about. Like I said above, if I were to do this it could be a problem because I’d be ruining the experience for newer players. But for a new Uncollected player? Specifically as a means of avoiding sandbagging rosters? I just can’t see who it hurts.
Regardless of how he messes with his roster, he can’t get match ups that place him at an unfair advantage because his account is the baseline for entry to the mode.
Just an uncollected who was just doing BG/Arena for the time being because all i get from 5 star crystals are Iron Fist and Yellow Jacket. After hitting gold 2 and Using all my 900 Elder Mark's just to finish for the season I just realized that every match from those 900 Elder Mark's I was either queued up with a thronebreaker whose deck is 15 6 stars and 15 1 stars or someone who one shots the only decent unit i've got after playing the game for 3 months which is a BWCV with a 1 star deadpool. The concept is good, the rewards also it gives someone in my position who keeps getting sht characters a chance to play the game. But please fix the matchmaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS DEPRESSING, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO BEAT A 18K THE THING WITH A DECK THAT CONSIST OF 4 R4 5STAR AND 26 2K RATING CHAMPION?
Had the same issues as you and I'm uncollected as well. I advice you don't use any 5* use only your 4*, I was stuck on gold 2 for weeks so I removed the few 5* I had and filled my deck only with 4*. I started getting matched with more uncollected players and I made it to platinum 2.
Also, they did say they're going to keep making changes to the matchmaking cause they want to prevent sandbagging so maybe next season there will be some changes.
I thought manipulating your roster to get easier match-ups was cheating? What happened to playing your best roster possible?
Who said I did it to get easier matchups? You two seriously need to work on your reading comprehension. It's one thing to load up 15 maxed out 6* and 15 1* to verse someone with 5 rank 4 5* and absolutely destroy them because all you need is four drafts out of those 15 and there's not a single thing your opponent can do, and it's another to load out all 4* to dodge the same sandbaggers I'm talking about but still getting fair matches against other people with 4* decks that way no harm is being done. You can't possibly be this dense to not see the difference my guy. Also, I never said anything about "using your best roster possible" I just said stop exploiting the flaws in matchmaking that allow you to face someone who is miles below you and has no chance of winning, you're just making up stuff at this point
You did, lol. You couldn't win using your best deck so you changed your deck to manipulate the matchmaking to give easier matches. Sounds like sandbagging to me.
So not only do you not understand the term sandbagging but you also don't realize that I'm not getting any advantages by using a 4* deck cause I'm going to be facing people with 4* decks too. Sandbagging is lowering your rating to get opponents weaker than you for easy wins, that's not what I'm doing here because I'm facing people with the same deck strength so it's not an easy win, and because I'm not getting opponents weaker than me it's not sandbagging. Keep trying to grasp straws, I know what you and that other guy are trying to do and it's not going to work lol
Yeah, you totally didn't gain an advantage by manipulating your deck to play new players who's best deck is all 4*. Good argument!
I became uncollected two weeks ago, I am one of those new players you're talking about. I've said it multiples times already to you and that other guy, this vendetta of yours is turning into a joke lmao
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I do think that this game mode would benefit a bit from some form of seeding so that our more junior players can have a bit more of a positive experience but ultimately if you wish to progress in the mode you do have to beat the accounts in front of you.
I have a decent deck, 6 R4s and the rest are R3 which probably puts me in the top 20% in terms of competitive players, but it puts me well inside the bottom 50% of players competing for Mysterium and above. Everyday I was playing players with far better rosters than my own - harder defenders, higher sig levels, higher ranks - some I lost to, many I beat. I eventually clawed my way to Mysterium 1 (which I'm very proud of), and along that way I also lost to players with worse rosters than my own who were simply better than me, at least over those 3 rounds.
In my desire to get the top ranks should I be able to avoid everybody with 10+ R4s because they have a huge advantage over me? I don't think so really, I'm also sure that those players that I'd dodge would probably be sat there wondering why they're never able to get a break.
My proposal would be seeding based on the previous season and to an extent, title progression:
Uncollected - Bronze III
Cavalier - Silver III
Thronebreaker - Gold III
Gladiator Circuit (irrelevant of title) - Platinum III
This would stop tiny accounts getting totally bullied by the serious players at the start but ultimately when our little uncollected player reaches Silver III he's going to start matching Cavaliers as well and will have to beat them to reach the next ranks and if he can't well, that's his level, and so on. It'd spread things out and make it less energy intensive to reach the Gladiator Circuit for the serious players which is a real grind.
In Gladiator's Circuit, you face anyone based on group affiliation, like today, and using only 4*s deck, also like today, won't work.
In this way, it is possible for everyone to reach the final stage of the competition.
This is probably also what UC/Cav wants the most, to realistically have an opportunity to get more rewards.
This will not come at the expense of anyone else's rewards, UC/Cav players with limited decks will end up in uru3 anyways.
I haven't because I have done it, you just assumed that because I haven't agreed with your flawed arguments. Instead of comprehending what ive said, you get defensive and go straight to inappropriate name calling and insults each time.
I am not for sandbagging and I'm also not against, the reason being is it should be completely irrelevant. I firmly believe that in a competitive game mode where everyone is going for same rewards in a tier system then everyone in that tier should potentially face each other and pi and prestige should be completely irrelevant, which would make sandbagging irrelevant.
Meaning, anyone in gold 1 for example should face anyone, despite their pi, also in gold 1. This would make roster manipulation, to include sandbagging, irrelevant. There is no reason why weaker players should get free pass to easier fights when going for same rewards.
It's just nice to see so many showing their true colors. "Roster manipulation in the way I do it is good, roster manipulation in the way others do it is bad!"
@ItsClobberinTime I get feeling frustrated, but you’ll never win anybody over by insulting them. If you find yourself getting angry with an argument on the forums, you’re better off just logging off for a bit.
@Chatterofforums I’d agree that running a deck of 4* only is not sandbagging but is deck manipulation. Sandbagging (in this context) meaning trying to get your high rank champions into a matchup against an opponent who can’t possibly beat them, whereas running only 4*s won’t give you a roster advantage but (depending on the skill and experience of the player) will likely result in an experience advantage. For the specific case of ClobberinTime being themselves a relatively recently minted Uncollected player, I don’t see this form of manipulation being likely to create any unfair matchups with this particular player. And if it’s being done specifically to avoid high-level sandbagging account matchups, I understand the motivation.
It would be wrong for somebody like me to do it, as I’d have a huge experience advantage as a Paragon (or even a Thronebreaker or Cavalier) player over a new Uncollected player. The specifics very much matter for this type of roster tinkering. I don’t hate it in this specific instance, but would not be supportive of it in general. It would be better to solve the sandbagging problem so these secondary forms of deck manipulation don’t seem necessary to lower level players.
Finally, I really want to dispel this idea that all players are competing for the same rewards. We’re not. My 10,000 trophy tokens will buy resources of far greater value than Clobberin’s will. And yes, I’ve heard arguments about hoarding tokens until you reach a higher progression level, but those concerns don’t really make sense when applied to reality. If when I was Uncollected making my way towards Cavalier, I was told I could have a 6* crystal today or five of them once I reach Paragon, I’d say give me the crystal today. It wouldn’t make sense to wait that long, and not taking the reward today would make the wait even longer. Hoarding for progression levels is a bad idea (unless you are currently on the cusp of one).
First, we will see a great example of different progression levels coming up on cyber weekend. There is an enormous change in what items you can get for the price of an Odin based on progression levels. Does Kabam change the pricing for lower titles player since they are getting less technical value for same money. Meaning, it's been accepted that those with lower titles will get less bang for their buck at times for same money or effort as higher tier title players. Meaning based on this example, we are competing for same rewards based on philosophy that has long been adapted by kabam.
Second challenge to your argument that we are not competing for same rewards is really in gladiator circuit. I'll ig ore victory circuit other than my minor point above but I cannot ignore this in gladiator circuit as we are literally competing for same rewards. I've seen dozens of complaints by players who honestly have a roster that wouldn't be close to gladiator circuit if pi wasn't so strongly taken into consideration in victory circuit complaining that they are getting too hard matchups in gladiator circuit.
I can live with what they are doing in victory currently (don't fully agree with it but can live with it) but many low players want pi to factor in gladiator circuit. This would allow much weaker players to take much better rewards on ranking than much strong players, very similar to the cluster that happened back when they tried that approach in AW a couple years ago.
Additionally, we aren’t competing for those deals. Me purchasing a deal does not prevent or delay another person from doing so. I just don’t think deals are a valid comparison to content rewards.
Gladiator Circuit is where things get interesting. I haven’t seen much sandbagging taking place there, however. Because eventually you have to fight bigger accounts, and if you come up to that matchup with half a deck, you’re gonna get rolled. You are right that once you get above Uru III, you are actively competing with other players, but I’d argue that the matchmaking in the Gladiator’s Circuit (due to its limited pool of players and rating based nature) operates differently enough to start solving the problem on its own as players try to climb.
Like I said, it's one thing to get harder match ups, and another to get an opponent you can't beat no matter what cause they're miles above you.
If there's so many flaws why haven't you said anything of substance. My arguments are so flawed yet all you do is repeat the same "you admitted you sandbag by using only 4* ree" when you know it's not the same as sandbagging, you just keep trying to find a way to get back at me for whatever reason and continue to fail.
You think a Paragon player should be allowed to face an Uncollected player? In a competitive mode? Talk about flawed arguments.
Weaker plays don't get a free pass but stronger ones do? Lol if you want weaker players to not get a "free pass" then why not just make it so only your top 15 champions are taken into account when matching you with an opponent? That way there's a chance a weaker player will still face harder opponents but not harder to the point there's not a thing they can do to win.
Regardless of how he messes with his roster, he can’t get match ups that place him at an unfair advantage because his account is the baseline for entry to the mode.
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