Titania buff immunity vs Wiccan
Moneymike128
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I recently brought Titania into war to take out a Mojo and Wiccan, and I took incinerate debuffs for "buffs failed due to reduced ability accuracy or Wiccans personal abilities".
I feel like Titania's buff immunity should supercede the neutralize passive, since she would never have gained a buff regardless of Wiccan's ability... Is this working as intended?
I feel like Titania's buff immunity should supercede the neutralize passive, since she would never have gained a buff regardless of Wiccan's ability... Is this working as intended?
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Namor inflicts bleeds on his opponent but if he fails to apply bleed due to bleed immunity, he gets his enrage charges
Similarly even though the champ is buff immune, the game still tried to put a buff on them which failed bcoz of their immunity, & that's why the incinerates trigger
Trigger point is not gaining a buff, but "failure" to gain a buff which also happens in case of immunity
After just witnessing/realizing hit me with your best shot wasn’t coded correctly, it isn’t outside of the realm of possibility for the order of operations to get switched here and have them check immunities first.
Follow up: does an awakened rintrah get his power gain vs Titania as well?
Imagine you're fighting Colossus with nick fury. Your Nick has a 100% AAR concussion. If you hit Colossus with a medium, does the 'immunity' call pop up?
Very stupid example I'm sure but if ability accuracy comes before immunities then a character with increased offensive ability accuracy to place bleed should be able to bleed a bleed immune character? Please tell me where my logic is wrong because typing that felt very wrong lol
Given the tiny proportion of game players who frequent these forums, I wonder if the game team could add more info to Wiccan/Rintrah's in-game descriptions starting something like "Failure to gain buffs is checked before any champion immunities to buffs are checked" on a pop-up.
If you want to get around Rintrah and Wiccans abilities that punish 'failure' to gain buffs, you need to play around the Neutralise. Or you can use Quicksilver if you have him - he removes the Dexterity mastery, so doesn't attempt to trigger Precision in the first place. No Precision= no Incineration.
The problem is that we see immunity as se absolute effect that cannot be trumped. Think of it like a cleanse passive that only removes effects of a type instantly. Increased ability accuracy means it will try to place the effect but immunity will *remove* it after it is placed
Then they realized how stupid it is to create a champ that cannot benefit from buffs and also does not do anything else outside of counter Mojo (sometimes mystic dispersion), so they created Quick Silver, someone who is infinitely better than buff immune champs as he can benefit from buffs in incursions/BGs etc. but won't trigger dex, thus, can also counter Mojo AND counter neutralize champs.
W/ regards to the order of operations, it makes sense that it would attempt to apply the effect before the immunity matters, but I do think that this is contrary to the intended purpose of having science champions that are buff immune in the first place. I'm not sure how I'd go about making it more intuitive.
You could make buff-immune champs also immune to neutralize, or (counterintuitively) give them +1000% buff ability accuracy, or have buff-immunity work differently from debuff immunity in that it never attempts to gain the buff in the first place for the immunity to trigger.... (Titania doesn't get an 'immune' popup when you trigger dexterity).
I can see based on the discussion that it is working as designed but I don't think this interaction is necessarily intended
Immunity to being Nullified won't help you if your opponent steals your buffs like Loki does, or prevents your buffs like Mephisto has done for years before Neutralise entered the game. And Dormammu can degenerate you for any buffs that expire at all, even if he didn't get to Nullify them.
Then there are several opponents who gain benefits from your buffs (like Mordo, Ronan, America Chavez and Guillotine).
Then there's nodes like Spite, Arcane Torrent, Icarus, Rising Sun, Burden of Might and so on.
I'd prefer buff immunity if my opponent is standing on one of those nodes, thanks.