Potential Delay to v44.1 Launch
We are currently working through some issues that may affect the release window of v44.1. This means that the update may not release on Monday as it usually does. We are working to resolve the issue holding us up as quickly as possible, but will keep you all updated, especially if the delay results in any changes to the content release schedule.
We are currently working through some issues that may affect the release window of v44.1. This means that the update may not release on Monday as it usually does. We are working to resolve the issue holding us up as quickly as possible, but will keep you all updated, especially if the delay results in any changes to the content release schedule.
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The truth about BG Matchmaking??
Chatterofforums
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Share this before it gets removed. Not violating an forums rules but have a strong feeling this will get removed.
https://youtu.be/IPn1FT-ps_A
https://youtu.be/IPn1FT-ps_A -5
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Posting over and over isn't helping it change overnight. It's spamming the Forum.
Now, to this video. We did not lie to you at all; I think that you misunderstand what we have said in the past. You've directly screenshotted and shared information from posts about the subject but are ignoring the important bits of it. This is a confirmation bias and isn't conducive to a healthy conversation about a touchy subject.
We never said that all Low-Level accounts in Gladiator Circuit are cheaters, but the ones that you were posting about were and were already banned before you posted. In this post that you are referring to, we said that there are matchmaking issues and that once we put in our seeding system, low-level accounts will not be able to get to GC as they did before.
These are quotes in the section about seeding that address this topic: "Once this system is in place, the Victory Track and matchmaker will be structured to ensure any player who climbs the Victory Track and/or reaches the Gladiator’s Circuit deserves to be there and didn’t simply reach those heights because of softer matches." and "For those Uncollected or Cavalier players who in past seasons have climbed high up on the VT, it’s time to focus on growing your accounts if you want to continue to compete at that level."
These are referring to a new Seeding System that we are actively working on, and said will take some time to implement.
Lastly, yes, this post does break our Forum Rules because you are spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation. We'll leave this thread open, but I am removing your video.
I used to get the two days missions easy ,now they are hard .
its obvious that this matchmaking is unjust, BG was great resource for me to progress the last few seasons, now i stopped playing it and its really getting boring .
Dr. Zola
Additionally, one thing that wasn't explained was how all of the 5k-8k prestige accounts in seasons 5 were deemed clear modders but it is being ignore how a 6k prestige player provides clear evidence of the current issue.
I originally did the videos to shed light on the matchmaking issue but my videos were turned into something else by Kabam. I'm not sure how the 6k prestige accounts in season 5 that I showcases when bringing awareness to the issue were so clearly "cheaters" per kabam when a 6k player this season showed pretty clear evidence that's it's very easy for a 6k prestige player to GC.
It really doesn't add up to me, but so be it.
Let's go with that for now, but what I can't understand, now that we have proof of 6k prestige players legit getting to GC and seeing the matchups they did in diamond to get to GC (going against 4* star champs), doesn't it strike you a bit odd that all most of the 6k prestige players in season 5 were deemed cheats by Kabam but no one is blinking an eye about it now being legit with new evidence on the subject?
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I originally did the videos to shed light on the matchmaking issue but my videos were turned into something else by Kabam. I'm not sure how the 6k prestige accounts in season 5 that I showcases when bringing awareness to the issue were so clearly "cheaters" per kabam when a 6k player this season showed pretty clear evidence that's it's very easy for a 6k prestige player to GC."
Because your video wasn't the evidence we used to deem them cheaters. The team did their due diligence and investigated the leaderboards, independent of your video. It just happened to line up with the video you made; it was not the result of your video. Thus, the 6k account you're referencing was deemed to not be a modder because our investigation concluded they were not.
And, again, we have, many times now, acknowledged that matchmaking is not perfect and have outlined, multiple times, plans for adjusting it over time.
But seriously, I do appreciate the responses. Do I find them a bit convenient, well sure, but I do appreciate them.
For example, is it a coincidence that all the accounts you spotted in season five happened to get banned, but the next one you find in season six is not? Maybe that's not a coincidence. We all know the current match system offers significant advantages to lower roster players. But maybe with rampant cheating in play that advantage was not enough to propel a low roster player into GC, but once the cheaters were wiped that advantage became sufficient. Remember that the advantage low roster players get is that they match primarily against each other most of the time. When there's rampant cheating going on, those low roster players still have to face cheaters and they are still going to lose. Eliminate most of those cheaters, and those low roster players now have fewer obstacles standing in their way to reach GC.
In other words, one possible explanation is that cheating suppressed most non-cheating low roster accounts from reaching GC, and now that they have been removed non-cheating low roster players (of sufficient skill) can now do what we were assuming they always could do: ride that advantage in VT to GC.
Which makes that advantage still pretty sizeable.
Dr. Zola
They have said once or twice that when players are banned the rewards are somehow revoked. This suggests that in some cases they are forced to allow the rewards to go out, then immediately claw them back, rather than cancelling their distribution. But I do not have the technical details of how these types of operations are done, I am speculating from the historical information that's been communicated in the past.
It does beg the question, though—if someone is 1000th on the gross leaderboards but in reality 900th among the legitimate leaderboards, why would said player get the 1000th rewards?
Dr. Zola
The "cheaters" were still showing on leaderboard on my video right before season ended. Okay, we heard Kabam saying what they said , but those leaderboards still have people lower than them showing and those people lower then them got the same lower rewards that were showing on the leaderboard at that time, leading it hard to believe that if bans were made that anyone actually moved up any spots.
Take my 2015 T1a experience: I and a couple dozen others scored enough to rank top 150 for the T1a. A leaderboard bug showed us not making top 150 and we got T3b instead. If not for a couple of ally members who piped up about scoring 100-200K less than I did (don’t scoff—getting 1.2M in arena over a day+ with R2/3 3*’s wasn’t easy) and nevertheless ranking higher, I wouldn’t have known about it.
What was the solution? The game team couldn’t adjust the leaderboard nor could they send out “targeted” prizes to those adversely affected. So they just sent out to everyone what they should have gotten on top of what they got from the initial erroneous rankings.
Which was unfortunate: in the first payout, players who ranked but shouldn’t have got T1a they didn’t earn; and in the second payout, players who ranked but weren’t adversely affected got double T1a rewards. Those of us who were adversely affected by the first payout were (relatively) adversely affected again by the second.
Why do I mention this? Because I think there is a static nature to the leaderboard in general and adjustments become very difficult once it “settles” at the end of a season. I don’t know why—perhaps @DNA3000 can explain. But it’s possible there is a technical reason. I’m also not defending it—if cheaters above you get docked for cheating, I think you should move up. But I’m gathering it doesn’t (and maybe can’t) work that way.
Dr. Zola
If I am misunderstanding what either of you are saying is a possibility (not saying you are saying that is for sure happening) please let me know. But honestly, this makes a lot of sense.
I mean how many of us have ever actually moved up in rankings on pretty much anything in ranking rewards after the ban wave went through. Me personally, I never have once, of course that in itself doesn't mean yes or no to this as I'm just one which is too small of a sample group to formulate any decent conclusions on limited qualitative and quantitative data.
If this is the case, it would answer A LOT of questions on many rank rewards events. However, it would also be a massive injustice for the player base if it's true.
I only remember one instance where my rank was changed and I got a champ from arena, but other than that I have rarely seen any change in my rank after a ban wave.
Alliance ranks do not seem to change nor do individual ranks and everyone stays with the rewards they were given initially. This is very wrong if it is inherent in the system.
I, like so many others, play against cheaters every season which results not only in loss of final rewards, but also a waste of BG tokens, victory shield(s) etc. Not to mention that last day in BG is impossible to play because cheaters come out in full flow to get as high as they can.
I really like BGs, but there are a few cheaters around and the actions taken are not sufficient.