Valk or Shang Chi? And why.
Laceros
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Who is better overall? Valkyrie or Shang Chi? And why
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Utillity AND very good (If u ramp Up longer =insane) damage.
Thats rare in mcoc.
All a sig 200 Valkyrie needs is 10 hits (either on the defender or into the block) and unstoppable is made redundant for the rest of the fight.
I prefer Valkyrie - her play-style lets you get around so many different nodes.
I just disagree with an earlier comment saying shang-chi is the best unstoppable counter.
Shang-chi has to constantly manage and re-apply the slow debuff (that’s without worrying about nodes such as tenacity, debuff immunity etc.) That doesn’t sound more practical to me.
Valk cannot counter unstoppable fast on fistcuffs or any node that prevents her from gaining buffs, Shang Chi does his stuff unawakened while valk needs sig 200 to achieve what you are saying
Both have their limits
Both are way better in BGs, like it isn’t close
Obviously both are better in war
Shang has zero defensive potential
Way longer ramp
On my mini account, pulling a 5* Shang-Chi was the key to progressing through Act 6, and a ton of other content. He solved most puzzles that I didn't have another option for (like the 6.2 Champion fight)
On my main whale account I have the best answer to every problem. So I took up Valk as yet another specialist for very specific fights.
So to me, who is "better" isn't the right question. Focus on A) who do you enjoy playing more, and 2) who helps your roster the most.
Fisticuffs prevents both buffs and debuffs, so it counters Shang and Valkyrie equally and completely. Not to mention that it prevents 90% of Unstoppable in the game, too.
When it comes to countering Unstoppable, there are valid points on both sides:
- Shang needs to land a debuff, so his Unstoppable counter is susceptible to Masochism nodes, Conflictor nodes, Tenacity and Debuff immunity.
- He can't activate Slow against Mutants.
- His Slow wears off, and needs to be reapplied.
- On the other hand, he can do it straight out of the gate, within two seconds of the match starting. As long as the opponent isn't on Mixmaster.
- To counter Unstoppable at all, Valkyrie needs to be Awakened
- To be really good, she needs to be Sig 200.
- She needs to sustain buffs; so her Unstoppable counter is susceptible to Nullify, Starter, Neutralise, Fate Seal, Buffet nodes; and causes quite the handicap on a Spite node.
- Whilst eleven hits doesn't sound like all that many, Valk can run into trouble doing that with Evade champions; which won't be a problem for Shang.
As to which is better overall, considering their slightly different shrug-off abilities, damage, etc:
Personally, I'd say Shang is more broadly adaptable, and is better out of the box, or if Valkyrie is low Sig. By the time she's Sig 200, I'd say Valkyrie's Sig makes her better, plus the fact that she can bypass some abilities with her playstyle into block, which Shang can't. But there will still be plenty of situations you'd be better off with Shang.
He can kill most champs in t4 wars, BGs with one sp2.
Valk build up is much longer and she needs 11 hits to counter Unstoppable. Sure she has her use, which is quite different from Shang chi, but I've yet to find content where SC fails miserably and Valk triumphs.
If you have to use valk's heavy in the fight for any reason, you lose her buffs and hence her dmg potential.
SC only increases his dmg as fight goes on, no matter what combos are used.
And Valkyrie doesn’t have a long build up at all. By the time you hit your level 2 you’re good to go.
Not trying to convince you, what lvl wars do you play?
And what's your BG rank?
For unstoppable counter, i use Val and shangchi when i need to get free openings.