Valk or Shang Chi? And why.

LacerosLaceros Member Posts: 106 ★★
Who is better overall? Valkyrie or Shang Chi? And why
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  • pseudosanepseudosane Member, Guardian Posts: 3,967 Guardian
    Both are awesome at what they counter
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,257 ★★★★★
    FiiNCH said:

    I'd say shang chi as he hits really hard and also is the best counter for any champ who evades or becomes unstoppable and also he doesn't have any immunities but he can purify any effects on him by certain hit combo

    Strongly disagree that Shang chi is the better unstoppable counter. He’s dependant on placing a slow debuff.

    All a sig 200 Valkyrie needs is 10 hits (either on the defender or into the block) and unstoppable is made redundant for the rest of the fight.

    I prefer Valkyrie - her play-style lets you get around so many different nodes.
    Valkyrie is obviously the better unstoppable counter at 200 sig,while shang chi does it unawakened.. I can only remember of she hulk boss in 8.1 where she becomes debuff immune when she throw specials,In almost every other place shang chi works fine just like valkyre
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★

    FiiNCH said:

    I'd say shang chi as he hits really hard and also is the best counter for any champ who evades or becomes unstoppable and also he doesn't have any immunities but he can purify any effects on him by certain hit combo

    Strongly disagree that Shang chi is the better unstoppable counter. He’s dependant on placing a slow debuff.

    All a sig 200 Valkyrie needs is 10 hits (either on the defender or into the block) and unstoppable is made redundant for the rest of the fight.

    I prefer Valkyrie - her play-style lets you get around so many different nodes.
    Valkyrie is obviously the better unstoppable counter at 200 sig,while shang chi does it unawakened.. I can only remember of she hulk boss in 8.1 where she becomes debuff immune when she throw specials,In almost every other place shang chi works fine just like valkyre
    Yeah agreed, not disputing how good shang-chi is (he’s awesome!).

    I just disagree with an earlier comment saying shang-chi is the best unstoppable counter.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,257 ★★★★★
    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    I'd say shang chi as he hits really hard and also is the best counter for any champ who evades or becomes unstoppable and also he doesn't have any immunities but he can purify any effects on him by certain hit combo

    Strongly disagree that Shang chi is the better unstoppable counter. He’s dependant on placing a slow debuff.

    All a sig 200 Valkyrie needs is 10 hits (either on the defender or into the block) and unstoppable is made redundant for the rest of the fight.

    I prefer Valkyrie - her play-style lets you get around so many different nodes.
    Valkyrie is obviously the better unstoppable counter at 200 sig,while shang chi does it unawakened.. I can only remember of she hulk boss in 8.1 where she becomes debuff immune when she throw specials,In almost every other place shang chi works fine just like valkyre
    Yeah agreed, not disputing how good shang-chi is (he’s awesome!).

    I just disagree with an earlier comment saying shang-chi is the best unstoppable counter.
    Valkyrie is the best unstoppable counter,but shang chi is the most practical unstoppable counter... Just like vision power control is better than doom,but doom power control is more practical. Valkyrie is a great champ on her own,she doesn't need that unstoppable countering ability to perform her fullest.. It's just a nice utility
  • GhostFace2022GhostFace2022 Member Posts: 168

    I'd say shang chi as he hits really hard and also is the best counter for any champ who evades or becomes unstoppable and also he doesn't have any immunities but he can purify any effects on him by certain hit combo

    Um no... Valk is better at countering unstoppable
  • KnightOfTheRealmKnightOfTheRealm Member Posts: 950 ★★★

    Laceros said:

    Who is better overall? Valkyrie or Shang Chi? And why

    Shang chi is easily the best skill champ.He can do Stuff that kingpin nd nick fury can't do... He is better than valkyrie too. Shang chi is highly underrated because of the hype kingpin nd nick have
    Nick and Kingpin smoke him lol
    Both are way better in BGs, like it isn’t close
    Obviously both are better in war
    Shang has zero defensive potential
    Way longer ramp
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,506 ★★★★★

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    FiiNCH said:

    I'd say shang chi as he hits really hard and also is the best counter for any champ who evades or becomes unstoppable and also he doesn't have any immunities but he can purify any effects on him by certain hit combo

    Strongly disagree that Shang chi is the better unstoppable counter. He’s dependant on placing a slow debuff.

    All a sig 200 Valkyrie needs is 10 hits (either on the defender or into the block) and unstoppable is made redundant for the rest of the fight.

    I prefer Valkyrie - her play-style lets you get around so many different nodes.
    Valkyrie is obviously the better unstoppable counter at 200 sig,while shang chi does it unawakened.. I can only remember of she hulk boss in 8.1 where she becomes debuff immune when she throw specials,In almost every other place shang chi works fine just like valkyre
    Yeah agreed, not disputing how good shang-chi is (he’s awesome!).

    I just disagree with an earlier comment saying shang-chi is the best unstoppable counter.
    Valkyrie is the best unstoppable counter,but shang chi is the most practical unstoppable counter... Just like vision power control is better than doom,but doom power control is more practical. Valkyrie is a great champ on her own,she doesn't need that unstoppable countering ability to perform her fullest.. It's just a nice utility
    How is Shang-chi more practical? Valk needs 10 hits then you don’t even have to think about unstoppable again for the entire fight.

    Shang-chi has to constantly manage and re-apply the slow debuff (that’s without worrying about nodes such as tenacity, debuff immunity etc.) That doesn’t sound more practical to me.
    Because Shang Chi counters unstoppable faster than valk in a fight
    Valk cannot counter unstoppable fast on fistcuffs or any node that prevents her from gaining buffs, Shang Chi does his stuff unawakened while valk needs sig 200 to achieve what you are saying
    Both have their limits
    On fisticuffs even Shang chi cannot counter unstoppable because no debuffs. In any case both champs are awesome but Valkyrie’s unstoppable counter is definitely easier to maintain than chi’s because you only need to get 1 buff.
  • Nameless_IWNameless_IW Member Posts: 1,015 ★★★★
    I'm lucky enough to have all god tiers skills champs including Kingpin, Nick F, Valkyrie, Shang Chi and Hit Monkey. Have had some extensive practice with all of them, and Kingpin is just one or two step above all of them. To answer your question, I love both Valkyrie and Shang Chi. However, Valkyrie counters more counters. She happens to be one of the best if not the best options for hazard shift. Just the simple fact, you don't need to get any clean look, and just hit on your opponents block, thats in itself is one of the most OP ability in the game. Unstoppable nodes? They both work great but i think Valk is more reliable here, specially if nodes punishes debuff.
  • KnightOfTheRealmKnightOfTheRealm Member Posts: 950 ★★★

    Laceros said:

    Who is better overall? Valkyrie or Shang Chi? And why

    Shang chi is easily the best skill champ.He can do Stuff that kingpin nd nick fury can't do... He is better than valkyrie too. Shang chi is highly underrated because of the hype kingpin nd nick have
    Nick and Kingpin smoke him lol
    Both are way better in BGs, like it isn’t close
    Obviously both are better in war
    Shang has zero defensive potential
    Way longer ramp
    Completely disagree... Yes kp nd nick r great defenders but shang chi has consistent damage... Kinpin only bypass shang chi dmg when opponent inflict a lot debuffs ,also his purify isn't guaranteed without synergies. Nick has insane damagw nd second life,makes him better choice for bg,but for general questing shangg chi rules.. he has a lot of utilities
    His ramp is so long compared to those two lol
  • AnlyAnly Member Posts: 615 ★★
    Chi's just better might still be the best skill champ but idk about any of the newer champs that have been released
  • LpooLpoo Member Posts: 2,215 ★★★★★
    I like Valk more at sig 200, I feel like she counters more. But shang chi is somewhat underused in my roster even though he’s an absolute powerhouse
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,667 ★★★★★

    Laceros said:

    Who is better overall? Valkyrie or Shang Chi? And why

    Shang chi is easily the best skill champ.He can do Stuff that kingpin nd nick fury can't do... He is better than valkyrie too. Shang chi is highly underrated because of the hype kingpin nd nick have
    Nick and Kingpin smoke him lol
    Both are way better in BGs, like it isn’t close
    Obviously both are better in war
    Shang has zero defensive potential
    Way longer ramp
    Completely disagree... Yes kp nd nick r great defenders but shang chi has consistent damage... Kinpin only bypass shang chi dmg when opponent inflict a lot debuffs ,also his purify isn't guaranteed without synergies. Nick has insane damagw nd second life,makes him better choice for bg,but for general questing shangg chi rules.. he has a lot of utilities
    His ramp is so long compared to those two lol
    Spoken like a guy who doesn't know how to use Shang chi.

    He can kill most champs in t4 wars, BGs with one sp2.

    Valk build up is much longer and she needs 11 hits to counter Unstoppable. Sure she has her use, which is quite different from Shang chi, but I've yet to find content where SC fails miserably and Valk triumphs.

    If you have to use valk's heavy in the fight for any reason, you lose her buffs and hence her dmg potential.

    SC only increases his dmg as fight goes on, no matter what combos are used.
    Shang-chi’s ramp-up IS longer than kingpin and NF..

    And Valkyrie doesn’t have a long build up at all. By the time you hit your level 2 you’re good to go.

  • 11993451199345 Member Posts: 557 ★★★
    Shang Chi for me...better overall utility and his sp2 SLAPS after you build up his charges
  • Sw0rdMasterSw0rdMaster Member Posts: 1,790 ★★★★
    I have both ranked & val sig 200. Can't really say who is better, because both have very different uses.

    For unstoppable counter, i use Val and shangchi when i need to get free openings.
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