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Sudais
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Hey guys!
What do you think about facing Paragon and player with alot of 7* champs in their decks. I recently become thronebreaker it doesn't seem fair to me
What do you think about facing Paragon and player with alot of 7* champs in their decks. I recently become thronebreaker it doesn't seem fair to me
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I will say what I normally do... be happy you got as far as you did without facing those accounts
You were able to progress through the ranks, get all the same rewards for it as those paragon accounts who are there
If you want to get the same rewards as paragon players, you should have to beat those very same paragon players. Otherwise, you should expect rewards to be scaled back
But yes, I would stop using elder marks if I were you, too much of a **** shoot on what kind of account you will face
Congratulations on excelling within your division, but at some point you got on the field with Georgia and got turned into a grease spot.
Maybe we can make an NBA-2 that’s only for basketball players 5’8 and shorter.
VT is intended to be a softer ladder than GC, to allow players to advance more easily and participate to a higher degree than if there was just a GC. Ideally it should work in a similar way: all the Bronze 3 players face each other, and then the winners advance to Bronze 2 where they all face each other. To get from Silver to Gold you would expect to have to face all the players between Silver and Gold, no different than a player would need to face all the players from 100 to 200 rating in GC. However, the game explicitly makes life much easier for lower progress players (and as a consequence makes life much harder for high progress players). From Bronze to Gold players do not face everyone on the climb up. Low progress players only face other low progress players, while high progress players only face other high progress players, regardless of how competitively strong they are.
As a result, instead of being exposed to the true level of competition in Bronze or Silver or Gold, low progress players see a weakened version of that competition. Yes, they are facing similar rosters which can give them the belief that they are fighting "fair" fights, but that's not true when the actual strength of competition that exists at those tiers is much higher. In GC, "fair" matches are when you face other players of similar rating, and rating is earned by beating other players of similar rating. You see and face who else is there to go higher. In VT, you do not see who is there. You only see a subset of who is there.
The match ups seem fair, but in terms of the overall competition this is extremely not fair, because lower roster players are facing lower strength players than the average for that tier, and higher roster players are facing higher strength players than the average for that tier. This tilts the playing field very strongly towards low roster players, at least up to Platinum. It is a gigantic competitive advantage being given for free.
However, this advantage disappears when you reach about Platinum 3. At that point you get exposed to the true level of competition for that tier. The average competition there is much higher, so on average you face much higher competition. The matches become much more difficult, but that's the only way to be truly fair: everyone who wants to get to Platinum 2 should have to face the players in P3. Everyone who wants to get to Diamond should have to face whoever is in Platinum. If some players are only facing the weakest players in Platinum and others are only facing the strongest players in Platinum to get to Diamond, that's unfair, and completely against the spirit of an open competition.
Yes, it seems like the fights are unfair. Imagine you spent your life in a tier 12 alliance, and then tomorrow you joined a tier 3 alliance. The fights would get dramatically harder. You might think you earned your spot in that alliance, but that's irrelevant. The fact remains that if you want to be in a tier 3 alliance you have to face tier 3 competition. If you want to be in Platinum 2 or Diamond 3 or for that matter Vibranium/GC, you have to face P2 or D3 or GC levels of competition. If that's much stronger than you, that's just life.
The matchmaking is a joke and beyond broken, but if you haven't progressed to a reasonable level it's probably best to look at the rewards you've gained so far as a means to help you get through the rest of the story content.
I also have an alt account that is around 5k prestige. FTP and didn't put a dime into that account. That account made it to Plat 2 going undefeated. Took me around 27 matches to get there. The decks that account faced were laughable. People putting champs like Aegon and Iron Man on defense. All that account needed were a few problematic defenders and they were automatic wins. We are not talking about top shelf defenders either. I'd put Ant-Man, Stryfe, Groot and Mordo on defense and knew they were automatic wins.
The road through VT is much different on a lower end account. Very rarely do you encounter a max sig Korg, Hulkling, Penii Parker, or insert any other annoying defender here. Low end accounts focus on offense and not on defense. As they should, for offense is what gets you through story content.
I mean think about it, you are a new uncollected and log in and there is a whole new area of the game called battlegrounds. You go in and fight someone who looks about the same as you. Maybe you win, maybe you lose but its fun and different. With the new medal collection you can rise up quickly with only a 50% win rate. So you maybe get to gold and hey these matches are a bit harder, maybe you go to a 30% win rate, but getting double medals you can still string together a couple wins to keep advancing.
Then you hit plat.
And run into me, five 7 stars in my deck, 8 R5 6 stars the rest R4s. And I am no where near the biggest account you will run into there.
There's no warning, no announcement, just suddenly you get crushed. Why wouldn't you go to the forums to say "Hey, why am I suddenly getting stomped by people out of my league"?
And then you get yelled at by people who are somewhat rightly annoyed that you are asking this question again. And then @DNA3000 calmly explains why it happened. And then it repeats tomorrow with a new uncollected, or cav.
So it seems like maybe there needs to be something in game to tell people its going to get harder. Maybe Carina pops in when you hit gold and says " Due to your excellent play we are expanding your pool of matches, be prepared for harder matches" and then at plat can do the Thor quote about demonstrating you are ready for a higher form of war. Or something to possibly explain what is coming. At the very least it might save @DNA3000 some repetitive stress injuries for typing out the response.
And the biggest structural change is soon to come: staggered, or strength based season starts. Right now low progress players in Silver don’t encounter strong Paragons because the match maker isolates them from those strong players. In future seasons those lower progress players won’t match against those strong players because those strong players won’t be in Silver at all. They’ll start much higher, and thus advance faster (or rather with a head start). The thinking is starting players closer to their true competitive strength will reduce the frequency of “outmatched” matches.
How well this will work remains to be seen. For complex mathematical reasons I’m skeptical, but we will have to see it in action to be sure. But that will require a potentially different explanation for what will be happening when it happens.
And I have no complex mathematical reasons, but I am also skeptical that the staggered start will make anything better. It just sounds like I will be slogging through whales to get from plat to GC rather than from bronze to plat, but i guess I will have a couple fewer matches to get to GC so there's that.