Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
I just naturally suck. And I'm probably going to be dying a lot in an attempt to get the 2nd guillotine piece. I have no idea how to even get to gladiator circuit. So you can imagine my fear once I found out that my lack of skill is potentially going to get me banned.
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
This may be the most dumbest response i have ever received on forums in the history of me being here. Its often that people like you ignore my messages entirely, but you took it a step further and used an analogy that doesn’t apply at all and even put words in my mouth haha
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
This may be the most dumbest response i have ever received on forums in the history of me being here. Its often that people like you ignore my messages entirely, but you took it a step further and used an analogy that doesn’t apply at all and even put words in my mouth haha
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
Apologies if this derails the post a little, this was a little blunt but I’ve said what’s needed to be said and tried to stay as relevant to the post as possible. I will withdraw from further conversation until theres a DNA3000 level response that has something more to add.
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
This may be the most dumbest response i have ever received on forums in the history of me being here. Its often that people like you ignore my messages entirely, but you took it a step further and used an analogy that doesn’t apply at all and even put words in my mouth haha
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
Kabam states it's unfair because it's unfair. Same with other Players who have been saying it from the start like myself. People can use any excuse to justify it, Alliance requirements....the system allowing it....the Points required....all of that. That isn't anything new that we haven't heard whenever some kind of unfair advantage is addressed. In fact, that just strengthens the point. Playing the Tiers like a xylophone and skewing the results, to the detriment of other Players making an honest effort, is unfair. Is it smart game play? Yes, it's clever. That doesn't mean the motivation is decent. Many things that are wrong have been devised with intelligent thought.
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
This may be the most dumbest response i have ever received on forums in the history of me being here. Its often that people like you ignore my messages entirely, but you took it a step further and used an analogy that doesn’t apply at all and even put words in my mouth haha
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
I never said both situations were exactly the same, of course they're not. The whole point was, if you do something that you know is wrong, it is on you.
You're calling my comment dumb but you reply with "just because Kabam states it's unfair doesn't mean it is". Who makes the rules? You? Lol they are putting a stop to it, they will ban you if you do it, stop being a man child and follow the rules. You don't need them to remove the forfeit option when you can just not do what they literally just said not to do as the game developers consider it unfair play.
As for your "solutions", the reason they're not removing the forfeit option is because forfeiting one or two matches alone isn't the issue, it's forfeiting several times to farm points against weaker players that's the problem. I sometimes forfeit matches if something comes up and I'm sure other people do to. As for you second "solution", that also wouldn't work cause that would mean every single player (including Conquerors) get all the milestone rewards which is just stupid. Nobody here wants to watch the game burn, we're just asking people like you to grow up and follow the rules 😉
Kabam: "Intentionally losing will be punished" Translation: "Even if you are just **** but are willing to grind through content, you will still be punished".
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
This may be the most dumbest response i have ever received on forums in the history of me being here. Its often that people like you ignore my messages entirely, but you took it a step further and used an analogy that doesn’t apply at all and even put words in my mouth haha
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
Kabam states it's unfair because it's unfair. Same with other Players who have been saying it from the start like myself. People can use any excuse to justify it, Alliance requirements....the system allowing it....the Points required....all of that. That isn't anything new that we haven't heard whenever some kind of unfair advantage is addressed. In fact, that just strengthens the point. Playing the Tiers like a xylophone and skewing the results, to the detriment of other Players making an honest effort, is unfair. Is it smart game play? Yes, it's clever. That doesn't mean the motivation is decent. Many things that are wrong have been devised with intelligent thought.
Thats a well written response. I agree that the idea of taking advantage of weaker players is both stunting their growth and wasting their resources, as well as being an insult to those playing the game mode fully locked in trying to win every match. The only thing i dislike is the way kabam worded that they will be issuing bans if needed to those that take advantage of the forfeit tactic to farm the lower ranks. You are absolutely on the money, and if i were a kabam developer this would be something i would not allow. The reason i think its not unfair in this case is only due to the fact that it’s something that can’t be accurately measured as to who is playing this way or not, putting innocent players doing it unintentionally at risk of ban, as well as the fact they are implying that this tactic is going to be allowed anyways by threatening bans to those that do it. Had they made a change to this system that negates the idea of being able to take advantage of low ranked players, at that point i would 100% agree its unfair seeing that kabam would take action on it. But just allowing it and issuing bans still allows this method to take effect and be counterintuitive to the design of the game mode. Right now i see it as kabam just disliking a way people are playing and saying it’s unfair, rather than doing anything about it in a reasonable way, if that makes any sense to you. My perspective of this being unfair is if perhaps players are using a source that allows them to do something other players can’t do, giving them an advantage. But as it stands, anyone in the game are able to stick at bronze, forfeit and win matches for points, giving a path for anyone to do it. This is about as much sense of this as i can personally make. Hopefully you can kinda understand what im saying a little better.
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
This may be the most dumbest response i have ever received on forums in the history of me being here. Its often that people like you ignore my messages entirely, but you took it a step further and used an analogy that doesn’t apply at all and even put words in my mouth haha
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
I never said both situations were exactly the same, of course they're not. The whole point was, if you do something that you know is wrong, it is on you.
You're calling my comment dumb but you reply with "just because Kabam states it's unfair doesn't mean it is". Who makes the rules? You? Lol they are putting a stop to it, they will ban you if you do it, stop being a man child and follow the rules. You don't need them to remove the forfeit option when you can just not do what they literally just said not to do as the game developers consider it unfair play.
As for your "solutions", the reason they're not removing the forfeit option is because forfeiting one or two matches alone isn't the issue, it's forfeiting several times to farm points against weaker players that's the problem. I sometimes forfeit matches if something comes up and I'm sure other people do to. As for you second "solution", that also wouldn't work cause that would mean every single player (including Conquerors) get all the milestone rewards which is just stupid. Nobody here wants to watch the game burn, we're just asking people like you to grow up and follow the rules 😉
My advice: Type less, Read more. This kind of response lets me know you are dead set on being correct. Please acknowledge what the person you disagree with are saying so you can come to an understanding. I know from experience. Arguments can be beneficial if there is atleast that respect towards each other of willingness to listen.
You did mention that last bit that i do think has some relevance that all players would reach GC. I mostly disagree as in platinum there are still many squash matches that would keep conqueror players or really all small roster players from going forward with all the stronger players most likely stuck there too, but this system is flawed as they can also match each other by chance. In this case its really a matter of the lesser evil. Have everyone benefit in order to prevent people from being taken advantage of, or well players get taken advantage of. Im sure there is a way to refine the method i provided such as making the amount of matches you need to win increase as there is no penalty toward losing, but that was just a suggestion of course.
In games with ranked modes, players who leave a ranked match are timed out as a penalty. Continuing doing so extends the timer and eventually may lead to a ban. Rules and regulations are set in place to promote competitive integrity. Cherry picking, server hopping, reverse boosting, tanking, whichever fits the game, has always been against the rules and enforced. I do believe BGs should have implemented said rules earlier with the mode being dubbed a pvp competition. Being mad at the creators of a competitive outlet for making rules and enforcing them is silly. I would use a common outside analogy involving sports, but it'd be beating a dead horse.
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
This may be the most dumbest response i have ever received on forums in the history of me being here. Its often that people like you ignore my messages entirely, but you took it a step further and used an analogy that doesn’t apply at all and even put words in my mouth haha
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
Kabam states it's unfair because it's unfair. Same with other Players who have been saying it from the start like myself. People can use any excuse to justify it, Alliance requirements....the system allowing it....the Points required....all of that. That isn't anything new that we haven't heard whenever some kind of unfair advantage is addressed. In fact, that just strengthens the point. Playing the Tiers like a xylophone and skewing the results, to the detriment of other Players making an honest effort, is unfair. Is it smart game play? Yes, it's clever. That doesn't mean the motivation is decent. Many things that are wrong have been devised with intelligent thought.
So is it not unfair that players get matched against stacked whale rosters in GC even if they player Legit? Is kabam gonna ban whales too to even the playing field to keep it “fair” next?
For those that will say this cant compare, then explain why July 4 handed out r5’s to those that whaled, basically they encouraged a roster mismatch fight, and now theyre seeking to threaten bans?
In games with ranked modes, players who leave a ranked match are timed out as a penalty. Continuing doing so extends the timer and eventually may lead to a ban. Rules and regulations are set in place to promote competitive integrity. Cherry picking, server hopping, reverse boosting, tanking, whichever fits the game, has always been against the rules and enforced. I do believe BGs should have implemented said rules earlier with the mode being dubbed a pvp competition. Being mad at the creators of a competitive outlet for making rules and enforcing them is silly. I would use a common outside analogy involving sports, but it'd be beating a dead horse.
That is one thing i will credit kabam for; trying to invoke the competitive spirit of BGs again. Atleast that is a start, the competitive aspect of this game is my main motivator. I always love to do my best in war which i think is the most competitive game mode with the high stakes and strategies involved. It does give me hope that kabam genuinely want to do the right thing which is a step in the right direction.
Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
Nobody's manipulating nobody lol you wanna farm? Do it. IF you get banned for doing something you know is wrong afterwards though then yes it is on you as a player. If they say it's unfair play and you engage in this behavior you're not innocent, you're doing something that you know is wrong and you don't care. Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
This may be the most dumbest response i have ever received on forums in the history of me being here. Its often that people like you ignore my messages entirely, but you took it a step further and used an analogy that doesn’t apply at all and even put words in my mouth haha
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
Kabam states it's unfair because it's unfair. Same with other Players who have been saying it from the start like myself. People can use any excuse to justify it, Alliance requirements....the system allowing it....the Points required....all of that. That isn't anything new that we haven't heard whenever some kind of unfair advantage is addressed. In fact, that just strengthens the point. Playing the Tiers like a xylophone and skewing the results, to the detriment of other Players making an honest effort, is unfair. Is it smart game play? Yes, it's clever. That doesn't mean the motivation is decent. Many things that are wrong have been devised with intelligent thought.
So is it not unfair that players get matched against stacked whale rosters in GC even if they player Legit? Is kabam gonna ban whales too to even the playing field to keep it “fair” next?
For those that will say this cant compare, then explain why July 4 handed out r5’s to those that whaled, basically they encouraged a roster mismatch fight, and now theyre seeking to threaten bans?
If you're strong enough to make it to the GC, then it's not unfair.
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Problem: Lower players are being taken advantage of, forfeiting is the source of these mismatches
Kabams solution: Ban/Punish
Logical solutions: Remove the forfeit button and fix the flawed system instead of immediately resorting to punishments and trying to manipulate the way players play with threats, or remove the benefits of forfeiting by removing the setbacks caused by losing a match, or keep the system as is and stop threatening players for not playing to what is “intended” just because it doesn’t appeal to the play to win mindset.
Kabam needs to take self accountability for their own actions rather than take it out on their customers and consumers for playing the game as its presented. Really disgusted with how they handle these issues rather than doing the upfront thing in fixing the issue at hand rather than being lazy and tossing legitimate players into the same category as actual cheaters and modders, because now they are undermining the damage actual cheaters do to the game and these game modes by wasting time pointing fingers at innocent players.
And I'm probably going to be dying a lot in an attempt to get the 2nd guillotine piece.
I have no idea how to even get to gladiator circuit.
So you can imagine my fear once I found out that my lack of skill is potentially going to get me banned.
Imagine robbing a bank and then blaming the government after you get locked up, "the bank was there so I robbed it, not my fault though" 💀
Just because kabam states its unfair, doesn’t mean its unfair. If it were unfair, wouldn’t you think they would put a stop to it themselves? The manipulation bit is them trying to change the way people play BGs by threatening them with bans. This is categorizing people who play the game as its presented a certain way as cheaters. If they are willing to keep this tactic of playing in the game, then you’re damned right someone is gonna play that way. Thats how every game is. If they want it to end because its unfair, why bait people into getting them banned? That’s unprofessional and making players lose trust, and rather dirty if i may add. “The bank was there so i robbed it” analogy is so overused and never is applied correctly, as in this case the bank is referring to the lower players being taking advantage of due to the flawed BG system as to which i provided solutions and you provided NONE except the common copy and paste petty “kabam is right and the players are in the wrong”. Kabam allowing players a path to get banned alone seems pretty cutthroat, almost as though this is what they want rather than to make the game improve. People like you just want to see the game burn, and pretend to want whats right by shaming others any chance you get instead of providing anything that can help them in any sort of way. What a tragic community that doesn’t stand up for one another, but instead puts down and ridicule others for likes and agrees. Stand up for whats right instead of trying to look right.
Playing the Tiers like a xylophone and skewing the results, to the detriment of other Players making an honest effort, is unfair. Is it smart game play? Yes, it's clever. That doesn't mean the motivation is decent. Many things that are wrong have been devised with intelligent thought.
I never said both situations were exactly the same, of course they're not. The whole point was, if you do something that you know is wrong, it is on you.
You're calling my comment dumb but you reply with "just because Kabam states it's unfair doesn't mean it is". Who makes the rules? You? Lol they are putting a stop to it, they will ban you if you do it, stop being a man child and follow the rules. You don't need them to remove the forfeit option when you can just not do what they literally just said not to do as the game developers consider it unfair play.
As for your "solutions", the reason they're not removing the forfeit option is because forfeiting one or two matches alone isn't the issue, it's forfeiting several times to farm points against weaker players that's the problem. I sometimes forfeit matches if something comes up and I'm sure other people do to.
As for you second "solution", that also wouldn't work cause that would mean every single player (including Conquerors) get all the milestone rewards which is just stupid.
Nobody here wants to watch the game burn, we're just asking people like you to grow up and follow the rules 😉
Translation: "Even if you are just **** but are willing to grind through content, you will still be punished".
This kind of response lets me know you are dead set on being correct. Please acknowledge what the person you disagree with are saying so you can come to an understanding. I know from experience. Arguments can be beneficial if there is atleast that respect towards each other of willingness to listen.
You did mention that last bit that i do think has some relevance that all players would reach GC. I mostly disagree as in platinum there are still many squash matches that would keep conqueror players or really all small roster players from going forward with all the stronger players most likely stuck there too, but this system is flawed as they can also match each other by chance. In this case its really a matter of the lesser evil. Have everyone benefit in order to prevent people from being taken advantage of, or well players get taken advantage of. Im sure there is a way to refine the method i provided such as making the amount of matches you need to win increase as there is no penalty toward losing, but that was just a suggestion of course.
For those that will say this cant compare, then explain why July 4 handed out r5’s to those that whaled, basically they encouraged a roster mismatch fight, and now theyre seeking to threaten bans?